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Air force chief Arup Raha today expressed concern over delays in its projects and said it was the government's responsibility to provide whatever was necessary as "Indian Air Force is India's air force not my air force".

Almost all key aquisition and development projects are running behind schedule, Raha said as he sounded a note of caution over its implication for IAF's fighting capability.

But the air chief at the same time expressed hope that, under the new government at the Centre, steps would be taken to rectify the situation.

"We have quite a few fleets which are on their last legs. The draw down has to be prevented by quick induction of Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) as well as Light Combat Aircraft (LCA)," the air chief said at an interaction with the media ahead of IAF's 82nd anniversary.

"Every project, be it acquisition or design development, is taking longer than it ideally should. We have lost time lines. Time overrun is much more than it should have been. It is a concern.

"After all Indian Air Force is India's air force, not my air force. It is the government's responsibility, the responsibility of the nation to provide whatever is necessary. We are concerned that it is not coming on time," he said.

However, hailing the new government, which he said "meant business", Raha expressed hope that under it all the processes would be reviewed so that a much faster system of greater accountability can be put in place.

"They are reviewing every project. Accountability is being fixed. There is a great urgency," he said, adding that all three service chiefs can meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi one -on-one every month to discuss matters of importance.

Talking about the projects that are caught up in delays, he cited the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), which India is developing along with Russia and also said that there was an urgent need to replace the vintage light helicopters of the Army as well as air force as their flight safety record is not good.
 
3 things to note s

Import lobby at play trying to pressurise the new govt to sign the dotted line on MMRCA

FOr the 1st time IAF chief mentioned we Need LCA TEJAS

The new govt is reviewing every project and fixing accountabilioty for everything - no free run to import lobby and foreign toy tom toming people
 
+ it seems that IAF has been desperately pushing for Rafale and the New Govt is strongly resisting the pressure and has not yet given in

seems Rafale is in trouble guys

see & read the desperation and also the govt not giving in, in the words

"After all Indian Air Force is India's air force, not my air force. It is the government's responsibility, the responsibility of the nation to provide whatever is necessary. We are concerned that it is not coming on time," he said.

these words pretty much sum it up

they IAF wants rafale govt is not obliging

Rafale in trouble
 
FOr the 1st time IAF chief mentioned we Need LCA TEJAS
The IAF has never not said they needed the LCA rather the opposite they have emphasised they need it desperately and its delays have caused huge issues within the force that had initially planned its modernisation around the LCA.

seems Rafale is in trouble guys
Wrong assessment.

+ it seems that IAF has been desperately pushing for Rafale and the New Govt is strongly resisting the pressure and has not yet given in
"strongly resisting" not at all.

One gets a sense from all these conversations, that the IAF has got a signal from the political leadership of the government that it is now on more than ‘a wing and a prayer’. In other words, the force has got a green signal from the government to go ahead with the deal

Rafale deal may be signed by Dec | Millennium Post



Mr Jaitley had only one query: what is the cost of the contract?

The IAF's answer --Rs. 100,000 crore spread over 10 years -- immediately evoked a positive reaction from Mr Jaitley, sources in the Ministry of Defence told NDTV

India's Rafale Fighter Jet Deal in Final Lap, Awaits Government's Nod

Rafale fighter jet deal contract with France almost ready: Defence ministry | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis
 
it seems that IAF has been desperately pushing for Rafale and the New Govt is strongly resisting the pressure and has not yet given in

& i think it is well within its right to do so. remember how elaborate and long the MMRCA testing phase was and govt had clearly mandated IAF to choose the best fighter for its need rather than worrying about price tag. They did so and now with technical issue settled, price and offset clause negotiations have taken a little too long for anybody's liking. we must remember in case of a war, people will look towards ACM and not bureaucrats for defending our skies.
 
the issue still is why IAF needs rafale to replace Mig21

why cant they simply increase the nos of Su30MKi and LCA

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why the cost of Rafale deal increased from 10 billion$ to more than 22 billion$ ?

The IAF has never not said they needed the LCA rather the opposite they have emphasised they need it desperately and its delays have caused huge issues within the force that had initially planned its modernisation around the LCA.

wrong the IAF has been too nitpicking the Tejas and if it really wanted them they could have placed more orders
while the IAF is ready to pay advance of 18000 crores for rafale they didnt even pay 1000 crore for Tejas mk2 development and setting up of production lines for Tejas

they couls have started inducting tejas in IOC config and then awaited FOC on the go


these are all the news from Rafale IAF not one comment from Govt Side
 
"They are reviewing every project. Accountability is being fixed. There is a great urgency," he said, adding that all three service chiefs can meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi one -on-one every month to discuss matters of importance.
:tup: hope for d best
 
the issue still is why IAF needs rafale to replace Mig21

why cant they simply increase the nos of Su30MKi and LCA

+

why the cost of Rafale deal increased from 10 billion$ to more than 22 billion$ ?



wrong the IAF has been too nitpicking the Tejas and if it really wanted them they could have placed more orders
while the IAF is ready to pay advance of 18000 crores for rafale they didnt even pay 1000 crore for Tejas mk2 development and setting up of production lines for Tejas

they couls have started inducting tejas in IOC config and then awaited FOC on the go



these are all the news from Rafale IAF not one comment from Govt Side

Note:
1. Mig 21s are point defence fighter, for interception role. It is LCA not rafales which gonna replace them. So get your facts right mate.

2. Rafales gonna replace aging fleets of mig 27 & Jaguars. As multi role fighters, they will add teeth to both ground attack & air superiority capabilities of IAF, Mirrage 2000 of IAF arsenal has already proved wprth of having good medium multirole fighters.

3. You can debate all you want about Rafale's price tag, but the fact is deal will be signef soon. Looking at our depleting force numbers, sooner the induction of both platforms, better it will be for IAF.

Not every airforce in the world has to face two such potent airforces of its neighbouring countries. IAF needs 40 squdrons minimum to check both PAF & PLAAF. So consider these factors before posting your conspiracy theories.

Although above being said, I respect your opinion.
 
Note:
1. Mig 21s are point defence fighter, for interception role. It is LCA not rafales which gonna replace them. So get your facts right mate.

2. Rafales gonna replace aging fleets of mig 27 & Jaguars. As multi role fighters, they will add teeth to both ground attack & air superiority capabilities of IAF, Mirrage 2000 of IAF arsenal has already proved wprth of having good medium multirole fighters.

3. You can debate all you want about Rafale's price tag, but the fact is deal will be signef soon. Looking at our depleting force numbers, sooner the induction of both platforms, better it will be for IAF.

Not every airforce in the world has to face two such potent airforces of its neighbouring countries. IAF needs 40 squdrons minimum to check both PAF & PLAAF. So consider these factors before posting your conspiracy theories.

Although above being said, I respect your opinion.


the best combination will be

Super Su30Mki + SuperSu34Mki + LCA

LCA is bettter than JAguars and Mig27 and Mirage 2000 upgrade do you know that

just a few pointers

Jaguars/Mirage 2000 upgraded cant take off land from leh
LCA has cleared Leh trials with full load

Jaguars didnt have radars till now - even upgraded radars have less range than LCA

The range of Mirage 2000 upgraded radars is only 100-120kms v/s radar range of LCA 150Kms

these are only a few pointers

the radar nose cone i.e. area available to mount radars for Tejas is bigger than even that of Rafale

anyways pl note

Raha said we need MRCA unlike in the past when IAF ususally spoke we need RAFALE soon
 
Note:
1. Mig 21s are point defence fighter, for interception role. It is LCA not rafales which gonna replace them. So get your facts right mate.

2. Rafales gonna replace aging fleets of mig 27 & Jaguars. As multi role fighters, they will add teeth to both ground attack & air superiority capabilities of IAF, Mirrage 2000 of IAF arsenal has already proved wprth of having good medium multirole fighters.

3. You can debate all you want about Rafale's price tag, but the fact is deal will be signef soon. Looking at our depleting force numbers, sooner the induction of both platforms, better it will be for IAF.

Not every airforce in the world has to face two such potent airforces of its neighbouring countries. IAF needs 40 squdrons minimum to check both PAF & PLAAF. So consider these factors before posting your conspiracy theories.

Although above being said, I respect your opinion.

Sir one question..." Rafales gonna replace aging fleets of mig 27 & Jaguars "..mig 27 are ok but Jaguars...? Wikipedia shows prolonged life upgrades to be completed by 2020..Means atleast after 2020 IAF will use jaguars atleast for another 15 years or to say till 2030-35 because it is not easy to replace 117 fighter bombers after being spending money to upgrade them all... So 126 rafales for replacement for 79 mig 27 is a good choice...So sir i want to know whether rafales are a replacement for mig 27 or both( mig27 +sepecat jaguar)...?:-)
 
the best combination will be

Super Su30Mki + SuperSu34Mki + LCA

LCA is bettter than JAguars and Mig27 and Mirage 2000 upgrade do you know that

just a few pointers

Jaguars/Mirage 2000 upgraded cant take off land from leh
LCA has cleared Leh trials with full load

Jaguars didnt have radars till now - even upgraded radars have less range than LCA

The range of Mirage 2000 upgraded radars is only 100-120kms v/s radar range of LCA 150Kms

these are only a few pointers

the radar nose cone i.e. area available to mount radars for Tejas is bigger than even that of Rafale

anyways pl note

Raha said we need MRCA unlike in the past when IAF ususally spoke we need RAFALE soon


Okey, you know what you are talking about, I hope.
I respect you enthu, & concern for tax payers money. LCA stands for light combat aircraft, because well you know its light. It is created for interception role, with limited ground attack capabilities. You are comparing its capalities with dedicated ground attack fighters like Jaguars & Mig 27s. Also comparing Mirrage to Lcas is foolish as mirrage has better all round capabilities like better payload range than LCA. For your info Best IAF pilots fly Mirrage2000, not Sukhois or Mig29s. Further more, russian fighters are extremly costly to maintain.

And more over, its IAFs doctrain to maintain fleet of light, medium & heavy fighters.
Maybe you should go through mmrca & lca sticky in a detailed manner, you will gain much knowledge. There is no doubt in capabilities of LCA, but you are confusing its potential to replace aircrafts with different roles.
 
Sir one question..." Rafales gonna replace aging fleets of mig 27 & Jaguars "..mig 27 are ok but Jaguars...? Wikipedia shows prolonged life upgrades to be completed by 2020..Means atleast after 2020 IAF will use jaguars atleast for another 15 years or to say till 2030-35 because it is not easy to replace 117 fighter bombers after being spending money to upgrade them all... So 126 rafales for replacement for 79 mig 27 is a good choice...So sir i want to know whether rafales are a replacement for mig 27 or both( mig27 +sepecat jaguar)...?:-)

First of all, Please dont call me sir. I will preffer to be called mate or bro. As per my knowledge, Rafales are meant to replace both jaguars & mig 27. Yes, Jaguars are being upgraded & it will extend their service life. Jaguars will be used in CAS role more, for deep strike missions, Rafales will be used for their low rcs & better ew suits, maybe even over Sukhoi 30 mki. Jaguars will be slowly replaced by last few batches of rafales, if I :am not wrong. Maybe more knowledgable members like @sancho @Abingdonboy will be able to paint a clear picture on this regard.
 
Rafale will happen and this will be the time line

Deal to be signed between Dec 2014- March 2015
36 Rafales delivered to IAF direct between 2015-2018
License production starting 2019-2026 = 7 years 108 planes

By 2018 -2019 IAF will be fielding

270 mki
36 Rafale F3
50 Mirage2000/5 mostly upgraded
60 mig29smt
40 tejas mk1
100 jaguars

By 2026

126 Rafale F3/F4
270 mki/ (super mki x 42)
40 mk1 TEJAS
60 Tejas MK2
50 MIRAGE2000/5
60 MIG29SMT

Maybe 1 or 2 SQDS of PAK FA
 

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