Slaughtering the Khmer Rouge 1978: True or False ?

[Lux de Veritas]

This iajj guy is trying to derail this thread. Seems that we may not be able to have meaningful discussion.

The Indochina scenario is one of the biggest kept secret. I took me around 20 years of reading books from various resource to figure out what happen. Anyway, see how it goes. Seems that I am being targeted attacked.

My chances of sharing some seems to be low now.

 

[BoQ77]

Pot Pot Tells China in 1977 that Killings Underway, to Continue
13 Sep
Pol Pot details Khmer Rouge killing enemies in the party to Chinese premier Hua Guofeng in 1977, warns him war with Vietnam is neccessary and looming


Beijing, 29 September 1977

By Nate Thayer

The day before Pol Pot arrived for a state visit in Beijing in September 1977, he made a speech in Phnom Penh in which he publicly revealed for the first time the existence of the Cambodian Communist Party and that he himself was its General Secretary. Neither the Cambodian people nor the world was aware of this even after they had been in power for over two years.

Five days earlier, on September 24, Khmer Rouge forces launched attacks against a number of villages inside Vietnam.

He arrived in Beijing 28 September and departed for Pyongyang on October 4, returning China a week later and returning to Cambodia on 22 October 1977.

It was Pol Pot’s only official visit outside Cambodia while in power as the leader of the Khmer Rouge government, to China and North Korea.


This photo at the farewell ceremony for Pol Pot in Beijing on 22 October 1977 is the last photo of Pol Pot while he was in power before being driven to the jungle more than two years later on 7 January 1979. With a smiling Pol Pot waving in the foreground, Deng Xiaoping on the left and Hua Guofeng in the foreground. Between Hua and Pol Pot, is Ieng Sary, Minister foreign affairs and Pol Pot’s brother-in-law. While Vietnam captioned this as Pol Pot’s arrival in Beijing, Deng was absent the day of the welcoming ceremony for Pol Pot. This official Chinese photograph was used by Vietnamese propaganda to demonstrate collusion between the Khmers Rouge and Beijing.

In China, he met with the chairman of the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party and Chinese premier Hua Guofeng, who was Mao’s hand-picked successor, as well as soon to be top leader Deng Xiapeng.

Pol Pot departed China for a state visit to North Korea in early October where he was given a high profile state welcome by Kim Il Sung, before returning for more talks in China.

He signed agreements for increased military aid, training, and other assistance with both countries during this trip.

Reticent concerning the harsh Khmer Rouge rule and rapid march towards war with Vietnam, China nevertheless gave its full and complete support to Democratic Kampuchea when the then undeclared war with Vietnam erupted two years later.

Deng in discussions with Pol Pot tried to convince the Khmer Rouge to be cautious and delay war with Vietnam, but Pol Pot dismissed China’s advice, worsening already strained relations between Beijng and Hanoi.

China nevertheless gave its full and complete support to Democratic Kampuchea in its then undeclared war with Vietnam.


During his visit to China, Pol Pot (on the left) received the support of Deng Xiaoping for the “successes” of “Democratic Kampuchea” in the constitution of a “classless” society and in the battle against Vietnam. Official undated Chinese photograph.

In this working meeting with Hua Guafeng, according to these recently surfaced Chinese transcripts, Pol Pot spells out clearly the purges underway in Cambodia and that war with Vietnam was looming, two years before the rest of the world became aware of the massacres taking place in Cambodia. “ We think that they have prepared intelligence personnel inside our forces. At the central level, they have 5 agents; at the division level, they have between 4 and 10; and in addition, they have some in the provinces,” he said, detailing enemy agents within the core of thee inner party power circle and senior commanding military officers. Pol Pot starkly outlined, in no uncertain terms, his centrally directed sweep of killing enemies at the highest level of his regime on down, would continue, and proclaimed the inevitability of war with Vietnam to the Chinese premier.

Hua Guofeng responds:”Your strategy regarding the neighboring countries is correct.”


The ambassador from the People’s Republic of China to Cambodia, Sun Hua, on the left, with Ieng Sary, toasting each other in Phnom Penh. Undated photo found by the Vietnamese Army in the archives in january 1979, abandoned by the Khmer Rouge as they fled Phnom Penh .

Pol Pot: The Soviet Union, Vietnam, and Cuba are cooperating in order to fight us in the border areas. We think that they have prepared intelligence personnel inside our forces. At the central level, they have 5 agents; at the division level, they have between 4 and 10; and in addition, they have some in the provinces. Since September 1975, they have been preparing to attack Phnom Penh, Prey Veng, and the border areas. They are also preparing to assassinate our leadership with high-accuracy guns and poison. They have several times poisoned food that we by chance did not eat. Thailand, the Soviet Union, and Vietnam are cooperating to do so. We also have documents to show that the US and Vietnam also cooperate on this issue. In 1976, we started to solve the problem of the Vietnamese agents and by June 1977, the job was basically completed. We have placed carefully selected cadres to be in charge of Phnom Penh and the border areas, especially on the Eastern border [with Vietnam] where there are many CIA agents. We understand that the nature of the Vietnamese armed forces has changed. They can no longer bear hardship. They now rely on heavy weaponry, tanks, and aircraft. At the same time, the nature of their infantry forces has also changed. Their troops do not want to fight. Many of their troops from the North have taken additional wives in the South and they cannot fight. We are not concerned about fighting, but about the constant threat from Vietnam. Not only does Vietnam want to annex Cambodia and Laos. It also wants to occupy the whole of Southeast Asia. We have conducted negotiations with them many times, but to no avail. To solve the problem by military means will lead to a decrease in our forces.


The official Chinese diplomat passport Beijing issued to Ieng Sary under the false Chinese name “Su Hao,” falsely stating he was born in Beijing on 1 January 1930. The passport was issued by the Chinese Minister for Foreign Affairs, to allow Sary to travel outside of China after the fall of the Khmer Rouge to Vietnam in January 1979.

POL POT: The strategic orientation, therefore, should be to develop revolution in Southeast Asia. Otherwise, it will take centuries to solve the problem between Vietnam and Cambodia. Laos, to our knowledge, will play an important role in the strategy of Vietnam. The Vietnamese-Lao Treaty of 13 July 1977 is a treaty under which Vietnam annexes Lao territory. Laos’ population is three million. Yet, the number of Vietnamese in Laos alone—not to mention the Vietnamese Laotians—is three million. The Vietnamese population is increasing by between one and two million every year. After five years, the Laotians will be a minority. Vietnam, however, is not able to control Laos because it has insufficient human, financial, and food resources. If the revolution in Southeast Asia advances strongly, exploiting the opportunities, then the situation will be better and we shall solve our problem. We have conversed with our Burmese, Malaysian, Indonesian, and Thai friends and reached agreement with them. This is a big political victory even though it will be more complicated when we go into details. We rely on our Chinese friends in the North. Southeast Asia is united. This situation encourages us strategically. As far as our foreign policy is concerned, we try to unite the Southeast Asian forces. Our Central Committee considers this an important task. We spend time working with parties in Southeast Asia. That Cambodia can defend itself is contributing to the defense of Southeast Asia. As before, we feel safe having the Chinese as friends. The recent 11th CCP Congress encourages us and promises us and the Southeast Asian revolution a bright future.

Hua Guofeng: Your strategy regarding the neighboring countries is correct.


. Pol Pot ,front left, walks with the Chinese delegation led by Wang Dongxing, front, right, during the delegation’s visit to Democratic Kampuchea on November 5, 1978. Khieu Samphan and Noun Chea follow behind. During this visit, two months before they fled Vietnamese tanks to jungles, Pol Pot is said to have asked for urgent military aid from China, but the request was rejected.

On October 4, Pol Pot and his delegation, which included Nuon Chea, who was in charge of the security services and the political commander of the Khmer Rouge killing apparatus, brother-in-law foreign minister Ieng Sary, Defence Minister Son Sen, and sister-in-law Ieng Thirith–the top Politburo members of the Cambodian party– arrived in Pyongyang , where they were met with signature North Korean pomp and choreographed enthusiastic welcome.

Pol Pot was given full state honors in a high profile show of support by Kim Il Sung, The Pol Pot delegation merited no less than 26 separate stories in official North Korean media, non stop radio and TV coverage, innumerable photographs above the fold on the party organs, and at least 6 separate meeting with the Great leader Kim Il Sung, who met Pol Pot at the airport, bringing along a crowd of hundreds of thousands cheering and waving flowers. who lined the road to Pyongyang.



Ieng Sary, Pol Pot, and Son Sen (left to right) together in Pyongyang. This undated photograph was captured in an attack on Khmer Rouge bases and obtained by journalists.

Upon his arrival, “The great leader Comrade Kim Il-song firmly shook hands with Comrade Pol Pot at Pyongyang Airport” where “The great leader Comrade Kim Il-song posed for a commemorative photo with the party and government delegation of Democratic Cambodia headed by Comrade Pol Pot”

Then “Comrade Pol Pot inspected an honor guard of the three services of the Korean People’s Army” was feted by “College coeds (who) courteously presented fragrant bunches of flowers to the great leader Comrade Kim Il-song and Comrade Pol Pot.”

They continued to Pyongyang where the “chairman of the Pyongyang Administrative Committee, together with heroes of the republic and model workers, presented a statue of an anti-imperialist fighter to Comrade Pol Pot On 4 Oct 77″ after which “Singing and dancing, circular ranks of boy and girl students and artists enthusiastically welcomed the goodwill envoy of the Cambodian people with Kim Il-song in attendance at Kim Il-song square.”

The next two days, October 5 and October 6, were much more secretive as the Khmer Rouge delegation members held working meeting with their Korean counterparts. “Talks were held between the great leader Comrade Kim Il-song and Comrade Pol Pot” said official Pyongyang media, followed by high profile festivities the evening of October 5th, where “Comrade Pol Pot, together with the great leader Comrade Kim Il-song, mounted the stage at Mansudae Theater and presented the performers with a basket of flowers to congratulate them on their successful performance, posing for a commemorative photo with them.”

On October 6, 1977, “The great leader Comrade Kim Il-song paid a return courtesy call on Comrade Pol Pot” and later “Talks were held between the great leader Comrade Kim Il-song and Comrade Pol Pot.”

North Korea, along with China, were the only two countries in Phnom Penh during Khmer Rouge rule whose diplomats were permitted to leave their embassy compound without prior permission. Several thousand North Korean technicians and advisors were living in Cambodia. North Korea provided steel, damn materials and engineers to assist construction, and training to the military and security services.

In another telling public show of support by Pyongyang to Pol Pot in 1977, as Pol Pot’ escalated the mass internal purges of perceived enemies, North Korean media broadcast a message congratulating the Cambodian comrades on the 17th anniversary of the founding of the Communist party of Kampuchea. The official media report said Kim Il Sung congratulated the Cambodian people for having “wiped out [the] counterrevolutionary group of spies who had committed subversive activities and sabotage”

After negotiating increased trade and assistance from Pyongyang, on October 7 Pol Pot was welcomed by hundreds of thousands at the national stadium where “The great leader Comrade Kim Il-song and Comrade Pol Pot raised high their tightly clasped hands in acknowledgement of the crowd’s enthusiastic welcome at Moranbong Stadium ” where the Khmer Rouge delegation were honored by seating on “The presidential platform of the Pyongyang mass rally welcoming, with the great leader Comrade Kim Il-song in attendance, the party and government delegation of Democratic Cambodia headed by Comrade Pol Pot.”

The gathering was trumpeted by North Korean media who displayed photos of “Kim Il-song delivering a speech at the 7 October mass rally welcoming Pol Pot.”

In front of the high profile assembly of thousands prominently trumpeted by state media, “The Great Leader Comrade Kim Il-song conferred the title of Hero of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea on Comrade Pol Pot.”

The next day, October 8 morning, “The Great leader Comrade Kim Il-song and Comrade Pol Pot signed the joint communique between the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and Democratic Cambodia” and “In congratulation of the 32nd anniversary of the founding of the Korean Workers Party, Comrade Pol Pot presented the great leader Comrade Kim Il-song with a basket of flowers and prayed for the long life of the great leader.”

“The great leader Comrade Kim Il-song cordially bade farewell to Comrade Pol Pot upon his departure from Pyongyang after successful completion of his visit to our nation” and, a separate story detailed “The great leader Comrade Kim Il-song firmly shook hands with Comrade Pol Pot on his departure from Pyongyang.”

 

[Lux de Veritas]

I am targeted because I keep washing China dirty linen in public. I am a Christian and the most important thing for us is not just our race, truth is more important.

Other than in Cambodia, China also own Vietnam a big apology. The land reform of Northern Vietnam in the 50s was done under Mao's advisor. The wickedness of Mao's advisor is so big that Ho Chi Minh cannot take it. He halt it and do damage control. Later, Mao commented that "Ho Chi Min kill too little people", despite that a lot of innocent were killed.

I first saw that in Chinese resource and forum. I verify and cross check it and feel this could be quite reliable.

I am going to wash more China dirty linen.

China killed a lot of people in Vietnam and even got unhappy with too little people killed. Mao and Zhou Enlai fcuk Ho Chi Minh for being a pussy.

 

[BoQ77]

We know China made decision, plan, prepare well the attack to Vietnam in 1978 even before the invasion of Vietnam to Khmer Rouge on 25-Dec-1978.

I am targeted because I keep washing China dirty linen in public. I am a Christian and the most important thing for us is not just our race, truth is more important.


China killed a lot of people in Vietnam and even got unhappy with too little people killed. Mao and Zhou Enlai fcuk Ho Chi Minh for being a pussy.

Adore your research, your age seem to be much older than me.
Yes. It's our heavy losses to follow the land reform policy ...

 

[Viet]

Back to topic. The Khmer Rouge are Chinese or Chinese mestizo. Pol Pot is Chinese, so is Ieng Sary, Khieu Sampan...etc.

That is a very well kept secret. The Chinese must not be too proud. We have a lot of dirty secret.

Whether Chinese made progress or not is another matter. The thing is the though majority of Chinese are good, a tiny number of them committed horrible crime.

The unrepentant Chinese are what that set stage for the next tragedy.

Right now there are people comparing with India. Big joke, you want to compare with shitt countries? Why not compare with Switzerland or Singapore?

I read the inflight magazine of Vietnam Airlines recently. The airliner is a state owned company, so she is a bit of mouth piece of communist Vietnam. In the section of brief introduction of history of Vietnam, I discovered that neither the Chinese invasion of Vietnam nor Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia was mentioned. For official Vietnam, these wars did not exist. Funny, isn´t it?

As you mentioned previously, these events made everybody look bad. So all chooses to forget or ignore it.

It's true. I was in Cambodia for a month, also visited the killing field which is near phnom penh, its a horrible crime against humanity. Apart from that, Cambodia is awesome with its Angkor wat and myself learnt some important lessons of life, i will be always thankful to the cambodians for that.

the mad Khmer Rouge wanted to create a new nation, only peasants had the right to live. It is said 20,000 Vietnamese descents were killed. I don´t know how many Chinese descents were slaughtered.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

But really I am not too incline to go into shitt of China as blood is thicker than water. To be fair I would like to expose USA, Vietnam and Cambodia shitt as well.

Important is truth and everyone repent. Vietnamese, Cambodian, USA, Chinese have blood in their hands. To be a good race, we must repent. Or we will be like Indians. Talk talk talk, now too many PRC also talk talk talk... How different are they from Indians? They are a shame of Chinese race. Never repent.

I got a lot of PRC shitt deeds in Indochina. There are too many Indians here, so not too nice to expose them. But a PRC joker force me.

 

[elis]

What's the interest of China to have millions of combodians killed?
They didn't know that Polpot is a terrorist

Only the creation of Al Qaeda by the JEW USA is criminal, because they create Al Qaeda to invade their enemies

 

[kankan326]

As I said, China supported Khmer Rouge for political reasons. How the Khmer Rouge acted is out of China's control. China also support Vietnam for political reasons. Turned out Vietnam later stabbed China's back.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Back to topic. The Khmer Rouge are Chinese or Chinese mestizo. Pol Pot is Chinese, so is Ieng Sary, Khieu Sampan...etc.

That is a very well kept secret. The Chinese must not be too proud. We have a lot of dirty secret.

Whether Chinese made progress or not is another matter. The thing is the though majority of Chinese are good, a tiny number of them committed horrible crime.

The unrepentant Chinese are what that set stage for the next tragedy.

Right, China govt. is pushing China's future in deeper abyss by lying abt history such as U-shaped in SCS(east sea) , supporting Pol Pot , killed VN kids and pregnant women in sudden attack in 1979 and never Apologize for the crimes . Lost badly in 1979 war against VN local militia but still brag that they defeated VN army, and withdraw when the mission complete. Begged for US's protection against Soviet possible attack before attack VN, but never admit it etc.

Even our kids in secondary school also hate China (I dont know they r taught or learn from internet), and that can be a serious problem for China in the future coz we may do some bad things to Chinese again like in 1979 .

Just bcz we r scared of 'Jasmine revolt', so we have to side wt China now, but when US commit not to harm VN, then Im sure that Sub-Mekong region will be a night mare for China coz VNese will hunt and kick all Chinese out of the region.

As I said, China supported Khmer Rouge for political reasons. How the Khmer Rouge acted is out of China's control. China also support Vietnam for political reasons. Turned out Vietnam later stabbed China's back.

China killed Vnese , robbed our Paracel island in 1974 and refused to return after 1975. So who betrayed who first ??

 

[EastSea]

Ho Chi Minh said a apology to Vietnam people for his mistakes in "land reform" campaign was made following chinese model.

 

[EastSea]

As I said, China supported Khmer Rouge for political reasons. How the Khmer Rouge acted is out of China's control. China also support Vietnam for political reasons. Turned out Vietnam later stabbed China's back.

China used Vietnam as black chess to fight against US to last Vietnamese for her superpower game, and in last moment China turned to USA side in cold war from 1968. true intention of China was kept N. Vietnam as puppet of China and in divided situation. China bargained with US in back of Vietnam.

After Vietnam war, china used Khmer Rouge to destabilize Vietnam. Its true face of China.

 

[BoQ77]

Vietnamese people has no snakiness characteristics, but old time Chinese leaders have.

China made a wrong move for promoting Khmer Rouge to bother Vietnam.

I thought, reason from a not good leader, a miscalculation, or just don't understand the Vietnamese.

Vietnam never think about take any advantage from China,
Until now, many Vietnamese still appreciate the China support during the war no matter how long time lasts.
( But it's normal, building the reputation longer than ruining it )
So the relation had been better and China ( and Vietnam too ) development could be much greater than it is.

Vietnam has the quote "Eating the fruit, appreciate the fruit tree grower" ...

But, the Cambodian people don't share that good characteristics with Vietnam.

The Cambodia Vet said that "if a Cambodia heard that Khmer Rouge want to kill any Vietnamese friend of him, he would go ahead and kill his friend before hand of Khmer Rouge, as a goodness to the friend ( died under a friend's hand) "
So we should not trust much on the safety beside such a guy ...

 

[Karasonmuno]

What is done, is done.

 

[kankan326]

China used Vietnam as black chess to fight against US to last Vietnamese for her superpower game, and in last moment China turned to USA side in cold war from 1968. true intention of China was kept N. Vietnam as puppet of China and in divided situation. China bargained with US in back of Vietnam.

After Vietnam war, china used Khmer Rouge to destabilize Vietnam. Its true face of China.

China used Vietnam to fight against US? China didn't force you to fight against US. It was your choice. China threatened US not entering north Vietnam, which saved millions Vietnamese lives.

I didn't not say China's support are unselfish. Politics all have dark side. Japan, India and US now want to cooperate with VN. Do you think they do it for good purpose?

 

[kankan326]

Ho Chi Minh said a apology to Vietnam people for his mistakes in "land reform" campaign was made following chinese model.

And China followed Russian model. Go talk with Russians on this.