Six Indian Police Killed in Assam-Mizoram border dispute

[mazeto]

Haplogroups though can give an idea about some migration thousands of years ago in this day and age add to nothing.
For example you will find a significant number of R1a and J haplogroup people in India, R1a people say originated in Russia, J i think in middle east. Does that mean there are many Russians and Arabs in India? No way. Just an information about a distant ancestor.
Only nationality and culture matters.

Yes I am ashamed of such incidents and don't deny them. People with low minds attack others because they look "different". Recently though there has been a big push to bring north east issues, history and general knowledge more to mainstream. Check this video of Ahom Kingdom.

While it's true there will be an undercurrent of racism anywhere on earth, I suspect an Uighur in China, Madhesi in Nepal, Uzbek in Afghanistan, Ainu in Japan, Eskimo in Russia do not have to always look over his shoulder because of his /her looks, in his/her own country. Here we are perpetually made fun of, our girls constantly harassed sexually, myriads of covert discrimination ( eg overcharging) in our own nation. The only saving grace is that we have our own native states with a modicum of self rule. I praise Ambedkar and Nehru for this much at least.

 

[Leishangthem]

Haplogroups though can give an idea about some migration thousands of years ago in this day and age add to nothing.
For example you will find a significant number of R1a and J haplogroup people in India, R1a people say originated in Russia, J i think in middle east. Does that mean there are many Russians and Arabs in India? No way. Just an information about a distant ancestor.
Only nationality and culture matters.

Indian is a group with a mutated form of R1A1 Z93(not same as the slavic version) derived from the central asian r1a1. And Indians also has a significant portion of African L2,along with middle eastern J gene. India is a race newly formed by african+ central asian+middle eastern that evolved in the harsh climatic condition of South Asia.
Kind of different case than the NE region ,which has historical notion even in folk songs about the migration of whole communities from North East of Asia. Main haplogroup also defines the dominant genetic makeup not just origin.
You wouldn't find any SEA nation having dominant 0-Page23 .
Thailand =B, F, and M7 haplogroup.
Vietnam =F1
Cambodia= B5
Indonesia= B5a in West F1a4 in East.
Laos =O2a1-M95

These all have North Eastern gene but the dominant haplogroups are nor A,O,

You can also find root of communities from the language,
Tibeto burman/Sino tibetan speaking people has a northeastern origin.
Austroasiatic speaker= Khashi in NE,and some small tribes in India, and Cambodian,Vietnamese,Thai,Laos,Indonesia,Philippines.
Burma is different because south is Khmer-dominated,but north is more Tibeto burman.

Another rule of thumb,the northern u are, the more tibeto burman and the southern u go the more austro asiatic it gets,Indian NE region is generally above South China,Northern thailand and high near Northern burma . But of course that depends on geography too,the Manipur is surrounded by almost impenetrable mountains,Nagaland is literally hills same as Mizoram ,hence the only Austro asiatic speaking community i.e., Khashi entered through Bengal via Bengal sea corridor entering Meghalaya and some parts of assam & bangladesh bordering regions.Other than that, NE region hardly had interaction with Austro Asiatics, historically. And the groups of tribes prefer to be among themselves rather than intermix. Khasi remained khashi and Naga as Nagas in most case.

 

[Varunastra]

Indian is a group with a mutated form of R1A1 Z93(not same as the slavic version) derived from the central asian r1a1. And Indians also has a significant portion of African L2,along with middle eastern J gene. India is a race newly formed by african+ central asian+middle eastern that evolved in the harsh climatic condition of South Asia.
Kind of different case than the NE region ,which has historical notion even in folk songs about the migration of whole communities from North East of Asia. Main haplogroup also defines the dominant genetic makeup not just origin.
You wouldn't find any SEA nation having dominant 0-Page23 .
Thailand =B, F, and M7 haplogroup.
Vietnam =F1
Cambodia= B5Indonesia= B5a in West F1a4 in East.
Laos =O2a1-M95

These all have North Eastern gene but the dominant haplogroups are nor A,O,

You can also find root of communities from the language,
Tibeto burman/Sino tibetan speaking people has a northeastern origin.
Austroasiatic speaker= Khashi in NE,and some small tribes in India, and Cambodian,Vietnamese,Thai,Laos,Indonesia,Philippines.
Burma is different because south is Khmer-dominated,but north is more Tibeto burman.

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Another rule of thumb,the northern u are, the more tibeto burman and the southern u go the more austro asiatic it gets,Indian NE region is generally above South China,Northern thailand and high near Northern burma . But of course that depends on geography too,the Manipur is surrounded by almost impenetrable mountains,Nagaland is literally hills same as Mizoram ,hence the only Austro asiatic speaking community i.e., Khashi entered through Bengal via Bengal sea corridor entering Meghalaya and some parts of assam, bangladesh bordering regions.Other than that NE region hardly had interaction with Austro asiatic historically. And the groups of tribes prefer to be among themselves rather than intermix. Khasi remained khashi and Naga as Nagas in most case.

Even the example article you gave had 8.5% South Asian in them right? Not so much isolated then. But even if that's true who cares that's some migration long back.
Also Indians don't have African haplogroup, not AFIK. If you mean this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20 it originated in either middle east or India. Indians also have H haplogroup which is very Indian. Again my point is same if you go by haplogroup many will become Russian/Central Asian/Middle Eastern/East Asian/South East Asian. No need to look at such bogus. Love your country not your haplogroup.

 

[Leishangthem]

Even the example article you gave had 8.5% South Asian in them right? Not so much isolated then. But even if that's true who cares that's some migration long back.
Also Indians don't have African haplogroup, not AFIK. If you mean this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20 it originated in either middle east or India. Indians also have H haplogroup which is very Indian. Again my point is same if you go by haplogroup many will become Russian/Central Asian/Middle Eastern/East Asian/South East Asian. No need to look at such bogus. Love your country not your haplogroup.

No race or ethnicity is 100% in conformity, not Europeans not Chinese,not Japanese,especially if any of his grandfather or someone had some cross intermix,which is very possible.But it's more about the dominant genetic makeup that shapes a community.

L (M) is African origin gene,it's one of the reason for hiper pigmentation especially among Indians compared to Central Asians.
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I'm infering facts and historical interaction about NE region .

 

[Varunastra]

No race or ethnicity is 100% in conformity, not Europeans not Chinese,not Japanese,especially if any of his grandfather or someone had some cross intermix,which is very possible.But it's more about the dominant genetic makeup that shapes a community.

L (M) is African origin gene,it's one of the reason for hiper pigmentation especially among Indians compared to Central Asians.
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I'm infering facts and historical interaction about NE region .

If everyone is mixed why go with genetic politics. Your nation defines you.
The L in the pie graph is the one I have shown.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20

It's origin is either India or Middle East. But humans did originate in Africa so who knows so in a way yeah I guess.
Anyways it's not your genetics that make up your modern identity. People didn't even know what that was few decades ago. Your culture, your nationality makes up who you are. North eastern people might have common ancestors with many Eastern and South Eastern Asians but that's a long time ago. Now you have Chinese, Viet, Thai, Indian, Indonesian and that's the real identity.

 

[Liquidmetal]

Low intensity civil war is occurring in India. The powers to be have not interfered in endia like they do in other countries and yet insurgencies rage, imagine if the USA had done to endia what they do in muslim countries...

 

[Leishangthem]

If everyone is mixed why go with genetic politics. Your nation defines you.
The L in the pie graph is the one I have shown.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20
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It's origin is either India or Middle East. But humans did originate in Africa so who knows so in a way yeah I guess.
Anyways it's not your genetics that make up your modern identity. People didn't even know what that was few decades ago. Your culture, your nationality makes up who you are. North eastern people might have common ancestors with many Eastern and South Eastern Asians but that's a long time ago. Now you have Chinese, Viet, Thai, Indian, Indonesian and that's the real identity.

But my point was simply regarding the pattern of human migration in Asia pacific,and the distinction of Tibeto-Burman than archipelago based groups. Those are distinct from each other in origin (one tibetic cross borders ,another archipelago ) ,language group(austroasiatic v Tibeto-burman) ,these are few differences between them among many other things .
I wasn't talking about nationality,or anything else,what are you even going on about?
And I didn't say anything about genetic politics,but since you mentioned ,it's just facts that people behave according to their genetic and other inherent traits .It's unrefutable fact.



BTW you are quoting a misleading version ,it's not really a matter of debate that L haplogroup originate in Africa. I said what it is ,that's all.

 

[Varunastra]

But my point was simply regarding the pattern of human migration in Asia pacific,and the distinction of Tibeto-Burman than archipelago based groups. Those are distinct from each other in origin (one tibetic cross borders ,another archipelago ) ,language group(austroasiatic v Tibeto-burman) ,these are few differences between them among many other things .
I wasn't talking about nationality,or anything else,what are you even going on about?
BTW I wasn't going one about any genetic politics now,since you mentioned it's just facts and people behave according to their genetic and other traits .It's unrefutable fact.



BTW you are quoting a misleading version ,it's not really a matter of debate that L haplogroup originate in Africa. I said what it is ,that's all.

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Maybe I misunderstood your points about genetics there through a lens of genetics vs nationality. Good we are on the same page on that.
About L haplogroup in India it is y haplogroup
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup. The L haplogroup you are showing in Africa is mt-dna https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mitochondrial_DNA_haplogroup.
For Indians most common mt-dna is M and R.
About Y haplogroup L every link I can find point either to a miidle eastern, central asian or entirely Indus valley origin, any in that proximity.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2018.00004/full
This haplogroup is present in the Indian population at an overall frequency of about 7–15% (Basu et al., 2003; Cordaux et al., 2004). Genetic studies indicate that this may be one of the original haplogroups of the creators of Indus Valley Civilization (McElreavey and Quintana-Murci, 2005; Sengupta et al., 2006). It has a frequency of about 28% in western Pakistan and Baluchistan, from where the agricultural creators of this civilization emerged (Qamar et al., 2002). The origins of this haplogroup can be traced to marker M11, and the rugged and mountainous Pamir Knot region in Tajikistan (Wells, 2007), which is also the home of the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex that represents the Oxus civilization of around 4000 BCE (Wood, 2007).

Your own map in Africa doesn't show it extending to India now does it? Cause that's not y-haplogroup but mt-dna. See in the map Y-DNA is written.

Your first pic has mt-dna clearly written

 

[Leishangthem]

Maybe I misunderstood your points about genetics there through a lens of genetics vs nationality. Good we are on the same page on that.
About L haplogroup in India it is y haplogroup
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup. The L haplogroup you are showing in Africa is mt-dna https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mitochondrial_DNA_haplogroup.
For Indians most common mt-dna is M and R.
About Y haplogroup L every link I can find point either to a miidle eastern, central asian or entirely Indus valley origin, any in that proximity.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2018.00004/full
This haplogroup is present in the Indian population at an overall frequency of about 7–15% (Basu et al., 2003; Cordaux et al., 2004). Genetic studies indicate that this may be one of the original haplogroups of the creators of Indus Valley Civilization (McElreavey and Quintana-Murci, 2005; Sengupta et al., 2006). It has a frequency of about 28% in western Pakistan and Baluchistan, from where the agricultural creators of this civilization emerged (Qamar et al., 2002). The origins of this haplogroup can be traced to marker M11, and the rugged and mountainous Pamir Knot region in Tajikistan (Wells, 2007), which is also the home of the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex that represents the Oxus civilization of around 4000 BCE (Wood, 2007).

Your own map in Africa doesn't show it extending to India now does it? Cause that's not y-haplogroup but mt-dna. See in the map Y-DNA is written.
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Your first pic has mt-dna clearly written
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I clearly wrote L(M) previously,it's same in origin and related.L =M .Indian mainland has a lot of M versions .

 

[Varunastra]

I clearly wrote L(M) previously,it's same in origin and related.L =M .Indian mainland has a lot of M versions .

Talk y haplogroup man. All the articles you posted of o haplogroup are of y dna not mt dna lol. mt dna haplogroup range is enourmous.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_M_(mtDNA)
Haplogroup M is a human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup. An enormous haplogroup spanning all the continents, the macro-haplogroup M, like its sibling the macro-haplogroup N, is a descendant of the haplogroup L3.
Even Han chinese have N i think which is sibling of M. All mt dna are traced back to humans in Africa.
You posted the pie graph showing R y haplogroup in Indians which you have now removed lol. You basically are confused
No matters atleast everything should be clear now.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

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Six Assam cops killed, 80 hurt in border clash with Mizoram

Assam Mizoram Border News: Six Assam cops killed in border violence with Mizoram; CM Himanta Biswa Sarma | Guwahati News - Times of India

Six Assam cops were killed and around 80 people, including officials, were injured in firing by Mizoram police and alleged Mizo intruders along the in

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

At present let us watch and wait.

The whole region (from India, to Pakistan, to Afghanistan, to Russia, to China, to Iran, to Turkey) is on fire.

Today's development (China meeting Afghan Taliban) is massive

 

[Leishangthem]

Talk y haplogroup man. All the articles you posted of o haplogroup are of y dna not mt dna lol. mt dna haplogroup range is enourmous.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_M_(mtDNA)
Haplogroup M is a human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup. An enormous haplogroup spanning all the continents, the macro-haplogroup M, like its sibling the macro-haplogroup N, is a descendant of the haplogroup L3.
Even Han chinese have N i think which is sibling of M. All mt dna are traced back to humans in Africa.
You posted the pie graph showing R y haplogroup in Indians which you have now removed lol. You basically are confused
No matters atleast everything should be clear now.

No,I don't think you get my point,simply put, Indian subcontinent was originally made of African hunters and gatherers later subsequent waves of mutation swept through, Indians carry a strong lineage of old African migration,it's strongest in Southern Indians,which are the most ancient Indian subcontinent people before the Eurasian mutation spillover.The Northern people are mixed with more Eurasian/semite traits than the south Indian.The The N is Eastern Asian specific .

Negrito people that live on Andaman and Nicobar islands, they share genetic lineage with the South Indian population.

The genetic makeup of the ASI (Ancestral South Indian) population consisted of about 73% AASI/Andamanese-related and about 27% Iranian-related(semite) ancestry. All Indians are African mixed some in greater degree than others.

 

[Varunastra]

N,I don't think you get my point,simply put, Indian subcontinent was originally made of African hunters and gatherers later subsequent waves of mutation swept through, Indians carry a strong lineage of old African migration,it's strongest in Southern Indians,which has the most ancient Indian subcontinent people before the Eurasian mutation spillover.The Northern people are mixed with more Eurasian/semite traits.The The N is Eastern Asian specific .

Negrito people that live on Andaman and Nicobar islands, they share genetic lineage with the South Indian population.

The genetic makeup of the ASI (Ancestral South Indian) population consisted of about 73% AASI/Andamanese-related and about 27% Iranian-related(semite) ancestry. All Indians are African mixed some in greater degree than others.

N is related to M and L mtdna mate, can be traced back to Africa.
They are called South Asian Hunter Gatherers, and sure being a very ancient populace they obviously share traits with African people because all Humans came out of Africa including the ancestors of Europeans and East Asians.
Also the current andamanese and nicobarese though don't have African haplogroups. They are a diverse people and genetics might differ tribe to tribe based on migrations.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982202013362
DNA of 48 present-day Andaman and Nicobar males was analyzed by using 23 binary markers. Six Y chromosome binary haplotypes, falling into four previously defined major global haplogroups, IV, VII, VIII, and X [18], also known as D, O, L/K/M, and P/Q, respectively [19], were detected. All Onge and Jarawa had the same binary haplotype D, previously observed in Asia [20]. All Nicobarese males exhibited haplotype O, previously observed in Southeast Asia [21–23]. The Great Andaman males had five different binary haplotypes, found previously in Southeast Asia, the Indian subcontinent, and Melanesia.

See Andaman and Nicobar people have a huge range of haplogroups including O based on tribes. Their mtdna is mainly M like most asians.
None of the y haplogroups though are african like E or A.
Just cause they are dark you are using them as proof Indians have African dna, that's very racist! If you call them African then call everyone african cause we all orignated from Africa. Call them Indians which they are

 

[Leishangthem]

N is related to M and L mtdna mate, can be traced back to Africa.
They are called South Asian Hunter Gatherers, and sure being a very ancient populace they obviously share traits with African people because all Humans came out of Africa including the ancestors of Europeans and East Asians.
Also the current andamanese and nicobarese though don't have African haplogroups. They are a diverse people and genetics might differ tribe to tribe based on migrations.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982202013362
DNA of 48 present-day Andaman and Nicobar males was analyzed by using 23 binary markers. Six Y chromosome binary haplotypes, falling into four previously defined major global haplogroups, IV, VII, VIII, and X [18], also known as D, O, L/K/M, and P/Q, respectively [19], were detected. All Onge and Jarawa had the same binary haplotype D, previously observed in Asia [20]. All Nicobarese males exhibited haplotype O, previously observed in Southeast Asia [21–23]. The Great Andaman males had five different binary haplotypes, found previously in Southeast Asia, the Indian subcontinent, and Melanesia.

See Andaman and Nicobar people have a huge range of haplogroups including O based on tribes. Their mtdna is mainly M like most asians.
None of the y haplogroups though are african like E or A.
Just cause they are dark you are using them as proof Indians have African dna, that's very racist! If you call them African then call everyone african cause we all orignated from Africa. Call them Indians which they are

First , genepools can be traced back to Africa ,that's not the point .N is Eastern part of asia(russia included) specific variation,do any Indian community have N dominant gene?

I simply read the above research .


Also appearance also does matter in genetic study,you are all over the place with your claim,the melanin is content is also evident of origin
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Indian from a tribe

They are alike a variation of Early African lineage that formed the Australoids aborigines
Indian mixed variety between semite /eurasian and Negrito/Negroid groups.

 

[Varunastra]

First , genepools can be traced back to Africa ,that's not the point .N is Eastern part of asia(russia included) specific variation,do any Indian community have N dominant gene?
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I simply read the above research .


Also appearance also does matter in genetic study,you are all over the place with your claim,the melanin is content is also evident of origin
.
Indian from a tribe
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They are alike a variation of Early African lineage that formed the Australoids aborigines
Indian mixed variety between semite /eurasian and Negrito/Negroid groups.
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That is not the point? Don't make me laugh. The very fact you started talking about L y-haplogroup was to prove Indians are related to Africans L mtdna haplogroup. Failing that you said M mtdna is same as L mtdna, but when I said M is derived from L and even N is derived from L, the point suddenly changes? Lol
Yes Indians don't have N mostly, when did I claim that? These research shows the dominant mtdna
https://www.nature.com/articles/5200949
Most Indian sequences belonged to the Asian haplogroup M, as found previously.9,12,19 South, central and east tribes exhibited very similar high frequencies of haplogroup M (∼75%). North tribes showed a somewhat lower frequency (∼67%), with a correspondingly higher frequency of the west Eurasian haplogroup JT (∼7%). Haplogroup M frequency in northeast tribes was found to be lower (∼56%) than in other Indian regions. The northeast tribes were also distinguished by a combined frequency of the east Asian haplogroups A and F of ∼32%, while these two haplogroups were virtually absent elsewhere in the Indian subcontinent.

Also you called them african hunter gatherers, AASI stands for Ancient Ancestral South Indian or some call them south asian hunter gatherers.
Also please stop with the pseudo science based on looks, just cause someone is dark he is African? Your racism reminds me of old european pseudo scientists inventing races out of thin air.