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In one of the oldest neighbourhoods in Jeddah lies a legend as old as time itself and one that is crumbling away into oblivion - the tomb of biblical Eve. As the holy month of Ramadan enters its final days, some Saudi families in Jeddah will be visiting the graves of their loved ones as part of their Eid tradition that revolves around love, joy and kinship - with one particular mother remembered along with the rest. "My mother's grave lies in the same cemetery as that of the mother of all humanity, Hawa [Eve]," said Sami Nawar, the general director for culture and tourism in Jeddah. For the sceptics, there is an actual sign marking "Our Mother Eve" graveyard hanging on the main green metallic gate of one of the oldest cemeteries of Jeddah in the heart of the Al Balad neighbourhood. Mr Nawar is from one of hundreds of Saudi families that have relatives buried in "mother Eve's graveyard", and he takes it upon himself to inform Saudi visitors to this site, keeping the "legend" alive even in the absence of scientific proof. "Faammed's companions have made reference to Eve's tomous Arab travellers like Ibn Battuta and historians that have passed through here hundreds of years ago and even some of Prophet Mohmb in this area," said Mr Nawar, who explains that the name of the city itself - Jeddah - if pronounced a certain way, means "grandmother". "And who is the grandmother of everyone?" he said, unable to hide his enthusiasm for the legend."If it is a lie, then it is a thousands of years old lie," he said. Mr Nawar figures the tomb was 120 metres long, three metres wide and six metres high - that is before it began to fall apart through the centuries. "It is a shame, all we have now is its location, the main gate and stories of its existence," he said, dating the last pieces of the tomb's skeleton to the 1920s. The common legend that Eve was more than a 100 metres tall is unlikely, according to Mr Nawar, who said he has an old photo showing that inside the large tomb was an average-sized tomb. "I am still researching this, it is hard given that there is no one alive who remembers the tomb as it was [from the 1920s]," he said. The Quran, like the Bible and Torah, tells the story of Adam and Eve and how they were expelled from Paradise after disobeying God by eating the forbidden fruit. There is no mention of where they ended up on earth, but according to Arab tradition, it is believed that Adam and Eve led separate lives. Adam went to Makka, 70km away from Jeddah, where God ordered him to build the Kaaba, the sacred black rock that Muslims around the world face during their five daily prayers; while it appears Eve lived in the area known now as Jeddah, the entry point for pilgrims heading to Makka. "There is no definite way of knowing where exactly the tomb is, as some say it is somewhere in Palestine and others say it in Saudi Arabia, who knows," said Frauke Heard-Bey, a German-British historian, published author and an expert on the Gulf. Ms Heard-Bey, along with other experts, explained that part of the problem of finding any conclusive evidence about the tomb of Eve in Saudi is in their manner of maintaining historic sites and monuments, where the strict Wahhabi doctrine forbids the maintenance of artefacts because this could lead to "shirk" - polytheism - associating any other figure with God. "Based on what they saw happening in other religions and with the Shiites, where a revered person is turned into a saint once dead, Wahhabism eliminated any chances of that happening by having unmarked graves," Ms Heard-Bey said. Tombs, objects and homes of venerated people - whether historic or religious - are destroyed because "they [Wahhabists] don't want anything to intrude between the relationship of the worshipper with God", she said. Sami Angawi, an architect and historian in Saudi Arabia who has been a long-standing critic of the lack of preservations of historic artefacts and monuments, agreed with Ms Heard-Bey. "Tombs are not preserved in Saudi Arabia and visiting graves is not encouraged as Wahhabists believe that they could lead to Bedaa [a frowned upon invention that undermines the orthodoxy of Islam] and eventually to shirk." Mr Angawi said "systematically", over the past 80 years, historic artefacts and sites have been cleared off because of the strict Wahhabi doctrine and for the sake of expansion for the pilgrims whose numbers are increasing each year. "Eve's tomb is now just a flat hole among a graveyard of unmarked tombs," he said. "It was left to deteriorate, and all we have left is the legend, which will live on and be passed on to the next generations," he said.




In unmarked Saudi tomb lies 'grandmother of everyone' - The National
 
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Ok, so i was grossly mis-informed??????
Yes you were brother.
I went to Makkah once after Hajj. My Khala and Khalo came from Lahore for Hajj.
They lived with some 20 other people in the residence given. They asked me, as I live here, about why do the Saudis take out the graves from Jannat-ul-baqee, and shift them. I was horrified and asked where do they heard it, and it was said someone in Pakistan told them.

Now my cricket coach here, died in caves in Makkah and was buried in the very same Jannat-ul-Baqee.
Why do people believe in this stuff?
 
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Yes you were brother.
I went to Makkah once after Hajj. My Khala and Khalo came from Lahore for Hajj.
They lived with some 20 other people in the residence given. They asked me, as I live here, about why do the Saudis take out the graves from Jannat-ul-baqee, and shift them. I was horrified and asked where do they heard it, and it was said someone in Pakistan told them.

Now my cricket coach here, died in caves in Makkah and was buried in the very same Jannat-ul-Baqee.
Why do people believe in this stuff?

lolz you can make fool people easy ahhahahaa

BTW what the hell janat ul bakee is in madinah janat ul maala is in makkah hahahahahah

there is no system fro transfer here any one die they buried him same city .
 
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To thread opener - put the entire piece up here, rather than some bits.

This would help put some context -

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Moved the thread to MC - it has nothing to do with World Affairs.
 
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To thread opener - put the entire piece up here, rather than some bits.

This would help put some context -

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Moved the thread to MC - it has nothing to do with World Affairs.

one thing which people don't know is that sites are finished yes we can not see many sites as these sites merge inside haram .madinah haram is on same whole city of madinah that time .you may don't know but madinah was very small town that time and its haram now whole city of 1400 years before .these mullahs mis inform public by few names as farms of shahbah and other sites .they better secure it well and keep marks on place .SOME ONE KNOW WELL OF WATER FOR SHABAH IN MARKED INSIDE HARAM ? i think no one lolz .they use marks like black rounds of marble and its covered with carpet so we don't see them all the time .zamzam well is no where can be seen but under ground its same and work as it was before .they cover sites for security of pilgrams too as zamzam was near kaba so they cover it and now in complete round over kaba is free only maqam e ibrahem in there .these kind of propaganda news always come from where we know it well .last month kind abdullah gov start Expansion haram makkah which is biggest Expansion ever in history .now bring those idiots which say saudis make hotels near haram . these hotels will demolish as last time 100s of hotels demolish and land was entered in haram .
 
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You are right Imran Khan,

Those who have visited Makkah knows the expansion is a need of the hour
Those who have not visited yet rely on news (half truth half rumours)

I in my first experience was very angry with Saudi Authorities for building such a large skyscrapper in just front of Ka'ba but then if you notice it can accommodate 100,000 people only inside that tower house... and the money earned from those Hotels is also used for Makkah development if I am not wrong. So if you notice the growing population of pilgrims each year... these projects are coming very much handy in order to accommodate everybody peacefully. The Ajyad Fortress built before that tower was not an Islamic site in my opinion. It was built to protect Makkah from invaders during the 18th century. I don't think we need that fortress anymore

See couple of years back many pilgrims used to get killed for one reason or another. Many of them were crushed under the feet due to millions of people gathering at one place during the Hajj. Now the latest development has made things easier for everybody. You now have Makkah Metro, bridges all around Makkah to divert pedestrians traffic, one way streets for pedestrians in all busy parts of Makkah and other well planned hotel and residential apartments.

I think if you take all positive and negative aspects of the project many people will agree with me that is the need of the hour. Those historical sites that were demolished was a wrong decision of couse but that does not mean they were representing Islamic heritage in any sense. Yes I do not agree for demolishing some places but 99% of the historical sites are still in tact.
 
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from same angle

it was a city
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now its haram shareef
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WOW! kya se kya bana dia, simply amazing. wish i could visit such places.4.bp.blogspot.com/_JIvHwjwhYvw/TATx9i3XjLI/AAAAAAAAA8c/2FWr5PHAHZc/s1600/8.VIEW+OF+MADINA+FROM+SHAMI+DOOR.JPG[/IMG]

now its haram shareef
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WOW! kya se kya bana dia, simply amazing. wish i could visit such places.



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yes these hotels are clearly for makkah and each town writen on it in arabic وقف you guys know what is wakf?all these hotels manage by many international companies but at the end profit go to makkah and haram .these huge towers are really nice to keep hajjis near haram and keep them also save . many sit in small towns in india pakistan don't know what problems can face here .at hajj time if hotels are small and far from haram these 5mn hajjis cross roads rush on city got incedents .many many miss there hotels and then seeking help from locals .no damn can drive on road even emergency services.thats why they use choppers for their job same to umrah time also .these hotels keep them near haram and save and also city move smooth .these grand hotels are good for every reason and they are WAKF of haram .
 
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One thing more if you notice... When the Haram is full during the prayer time. People often pray outside Haram on the streets.... and sometimes the crowd is so much that all the streets of Haram (too many streets connecting haram) all of them are filled about 1 and half mile behind the Haram/Kaba. You are literally praying about one and half mile away from Kaba still praying with the Jamaat and listening the voice of Imam from the Radio played by the shop owners in that street.

And on one corner of the Haram you find this tall skyscrapper and on another corner you find a shopping center called "Bin Daud" - If you go on top floor of Bin Daud. You find a very beautiful prayer room big enough to occupy another couple of thousand of worshippers. I am sure similar would be the case with these Makkah towers... So these shopping centers are not only serving as a hotel or minaret... They are also accommodating thousands of worshippers during the prayer time.

Last but not least.... These towers are so huge that they can be seen from any peak-site in Makkah so it is easy to locate Kaba and get directions to reach over there :D
 
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One thing more if you notice... When the Haram is full during the prayer time. People often pray outside Haram on the streets.... and sometimes the crowd is so much that all the streets of Haram (too many streets connecting haram) all of them are filled about 1 and half mile behind the Haram/Kaba. You are literally praying about one and half mile away from Kaba still praying with the Jamaat and listening the voice of Imam from the Radio played by the shop owners in that street.

And on one corner of the Haram you find this tall skyscrapper and on another corner you find a shopping center called "Bin Daud" - If you go on top floor of Bin Daud. You find a very beautiful prayer room big enough to occupy another couple of thousand of worshippers. I am sure similar would be the case with these Makkah towers... So these shopping centers are not only serving as a hotel or minaret... They are also accommodating thousands of worshippers during the prayer time.

Last but not least.... These towers are so huge that they can be seen from any peak-site in Makkah so it is easy to locate Kaba and get directions to reach over there :D

Zaki when did you go to Makkah?
And even in the Bin Dawood shopping mall, they pray :D
I was there too :P
 
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hey is that a doll in the sheiks dress ? if not, then why ain't he praying ? or have i misunderstood something ?
 
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one of my friend go to haram madinah and sit after last ring road .he chit chat laugh talk on mobile and when paryer start he stand on same place and pray as haram full also roof and streets full lines automatic come at his place lolz he pray from far away and still its haram prayer .lolz

he sir here hahahahah
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Zaki when did you go to Makkah?
And even in the Bin Dawood shopping mall, they pray :D
I was there too :P

mat pooch yaar bin dawood se buscits juice le ker khata tha bechara zaki wahaan tum ayee nhi to azizya le jaty ghumaty karahi ghosht khilaty usy ahhahahaha
 
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Zaki when did you go to Makkah?
And even in the Bin Dawood shopping mall, they pray :D
I was there too :P
I am sure you already know I have performed Hajj...

That was back in 2009
hey is that a doll in the sheiks dress ? if not, then why ain't he praying ? or have i misunderstood something ?

It is not like when when you enter Haram... you suddenly start praying and keep praying

That kid is standing inside the makkah tower if I am not wrong. And when you are inside haram... most of the times you are just sitting over there and relaxing... prayer is only 5 times a day and that happens for like 10 minutes after few hours.
 
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