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^^^ No dispute is unsolvable. All we need is a sincere effort, which unfortunately we both countries lacked. Plus, as you mentioned, foreign influence most importantly of US has also done much harm in this regard.

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^^^ No dispute is unsolvable. All we need is a sincere effort, which unfortunately we both countries lacked. Plus, as you mentioned, foreign influence most importantly of US has also done much harm in this regard.

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Nobody lagged except for the leaders who are willing to eat every crumb thrown at them.Russia is a pale shadow of its self.china is battling with regards to their economy.Indian politicos are mindlessly kowtowing to american policies.Japan is their rent boy.Pakistani leaders have sold themselves to america.Afghanistan is a play ground for America.Even the CAS want to live in peace but america will go propping them against russia for oil.Everybody is sick of this.That is why the grouping of G-3 ie russia, india and china if followed meaninfully might resolve our problems in asia but as u can see I am not very hopeful against the divide and rule policies of the americans.
 
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Nobody lagged except for the leaders who are willing to eat every crumb thrown at them.Russia is a pale shadow of its self.china is battling with regards to their economy.Indian politicos are mindlessly kowtowing to american policies.Japan is their rent boy.Pakistani leaders have sold themselves to america.Afghanistan is a play ground for America.Even the CAS want to live in peace but america will go propping them against russia for oil.Everybody is sick of this.That is why the grouping of G-3 ie russia, india and china if followed meaninfully might resolve our problems in asia but as u can see I am not very hopeful against the divide and rule policies of the americans.

I dare not disagree. A fact is a fact.

Why cant we have a G-something group of Asia, if not confined to G-3? Anyhow, we all have something to do with US and it does play a negative role in our multilateral relations.

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I dare not disagree. A fact is a fact.

Why cant we have a G-something group of Asia, if not confined to G-3? Anyhow, we all have something to do with US and it does play a negative role in our multilateral relations.

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A very good start apart fom the countries that I mentioned the SCO and CAS can be integrated into something like a G-x which will send a loud message to america and then maybe lead on to bigger things.I am confident if US goes out of the picture all problems will settle in 6 months flat.Anyway good to know u and look forward to have many more intelligent discussions in the future.God bless.
 
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A very good start apart fom the countries that I mentioned the SCO and CAS can be integrated into something like a G-x which will send a loud message to america and then maybe lead on to bigger things.I am confident if US goes out of the picture all problems will settle in 6 months flat.Anyway good to know u and look forward to have many more intelligent discussions in the future.God bless.

Okie Dokie...

Let's hope for the best. And pray our leaders may be blessed with sensible wits...

Good to know you. Take Care.:cheers:

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Indian media view does not represent view of GOI AND common indian citizen. .many of media is busy in sensatization of news coz of more advertisement revanue


chinese media also does not represent chinese people as they are under deep surveillance and censorship and have to propagate what govt want them to publish.
 
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that's what you thought?money bring china's friendly voice?then reference to China-U.S relation。the good relationship needs the effort from both sides,trading is not the key.did china ever show the pure hating against any country?did china ever say we were about to solve that illegal line with india by force?did china ever instigate india-pakistan dispute?indian media really should reflect what kind of role they are supporsed to play between C-I,they seriously violated their professional ethics when they were making those fake news and instigating the hating between the countries.in the end, When the snipe and the clam grapple, the fisherman profits


I agree with the money can't buy friendship line.

That's why i always says that we want friendship but govt should modernize military and defense infrastructure.

And remain vigilant and prepared towards china.

If in future we become friends that will be good and if foe then we will not at receiving end.
 
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I concur. US would try to do that. You see its not at all in the interest of US to let China make "Friendly" relations with India. You know it will than make a triangle China (1)-Russia (2)-India (3)...

This triangle nearly will become 2/3 of the whole of asia (according to area and power) and What will become of US and its interests in Asia???



I think whenever we've to talk about China's realtions with any other country and specially a friendly-to-US country like India with whom US has also done some senitive and important deals, US will itself be "pulled" in it. Not an amazing thing for me though....

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Generally, it is expected that the world's only current superpower always gets involved in every region and discussion either through its own disastrous mis-adventures or through other countries' interest vis-a-vis USA, but not the way Mr. Manish seems to be portraying.

Since the thread is about good relations between your two neighbours, there are a vast array of topics that can be discussed without bringing the United States in. That's all I meant.
 
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Its amusing how a little pea brain goes around s******g everywhere.
Go see a doctor.
I have that privilege within my family of seeing doctors and by God's grace am in good mental and physical health. Thank you for your concern though.

Is this what they teach you in your place? Nice manners. Go back to school, kid. You are only embarrassing yourself here with immature and foul language.
 
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im not sure, indian media is very aggressive against china, while our media doesn't even say anything against india.

Yes exactly. But don't you know the reasons?

One reason is China's media is not free. China's media does not enjoy freedom because of the commies of Beijing.

Another reason is that Chinese media is not familiar with the words patriotic nationalism. Chinese media only know the bull$hit absurd self destructive ideology of communism.

But read any Taiwanese media and see how nationalist it is.
 
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Krishna to pay four-day visit to China from Monday

External Affairs Minister S M Krishna will pay a four-day visit to China from tomorrow during which he will hold talks with the Chinese leadership on the entire gamut of bilateral relations.
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"The leaders will also discuss regional and international matters of mutual interest. It goe without saying that we are keen on build on the positives," Mr Vishnu Prakash, the official spokesperson of the Ministry of External Affairs, told reporters here yesterday.

This will be the firt official bilateral visit by Mr Krishna as the External Affairs Minister to China and the highest level political visit from India to China during the second term of the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) Government.

The last visit to China by the External Affairs Minister of India was in June, 2008.

Mr Prakash said Mr Krishna's visit assumed added significance as it coincides with the 60th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between India and China.

He said developing friendly relations with China, partnership with China, had been one of the topmost priorities of the Indian foreign policy. He said there was an overarching consensus across the political spectrum in India to have good, cooperative and friendly ties with China.

"A significant landmark in the relationship has been the establishment of the Strategic and Cooperative Partnership for Peace and Prosperity between India and China during the visit of Premier Wen Jiabao to India in April 2005," he said.

Mr Krishna will be accompanied on the visit by Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao, Joint Secretary (East) Asia Gautam Bambawale and Mr Prakash.

Apart from holding wide-ranging talks with his counterpart Yang Jiechi, Mr Krishna will also call on Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao. He will deliver an address at the China Institute of International Studies.

The Minister will participate in a reception to mark the 60th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries, jointly organised by the Indian Embassy in Beijing and the Chinese People’s Association for Friendship with Foreign Countries.

Mr Krishna will also inaugurate the Festival of India in China, which will be held over a period of six months. The Festival of China in India will commence in the second half of April.

Mr Krishna and Mr Yang have met several times in recent months, including on the margins of the East Asia Summit Ministerial meeting in July last year. Mr Yang had also visited Bangalore last October for the RIC (Russia, India and China) Ministerial meeting.

"In fact, high-level exchanges characterise our bilateral relationship. We intend to not only maintain but further enhance this momentum. It is these high-level exchanges, the focus at the highest level which has been imparting momentum to the ties," Mr Prakash said.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had met Chinese President Hu Jintao at Yekaterinburg in Russia last June and Mr Wen during the East Asia Summit at Hua Hin in October 2009 and then in Copenhagen during the UN Climate Change Summit in December 2009. President Pratibha Patil is likely to visit China later this year.

Mr Prakash said both sides had, over the years, established a comprehensive architecture of dialogue which had helped in imparting momentum to the ties.

"We have, as you are aware, the Special Representatives (SR) Dialogue on the boundary question. The Thirteenth Round was held in New Delhi in August last year. We have the strategic dialogue at the level of Foreign Secretaries. We have the annual defence dialogue, the expert-level mechanism on trans-border rivers and other such mechanisms. This is just to give an idea of the breadth and the sweep of the dialogue architecture that is already in place," he said.

He said bilateral trade had gone up from just $ 1.8 billion in 2000 to more than $ 43 billion in 2009. In the first two months of 2010, bilateral trade had grown at more than 50 per cent as compared to the same period last year, he said. The two countries have set a trade target of $ 60 billion by the end of 2010.

In 2009, India faced a trade deficit of $ 15.8 billion as compared to $ 11.17 billion in 2008.

"We are having constructive discussions with our Chinese friends on greater market access to Indian commodities and easing of other hurdles, including non-tariff barriers," Mr Prakash said.

He pointed out that Chinese companies had been very active in bidding for infrastructue development projects in India. As of end of 2009, about $ 25 billion worth of projects were secured by Chinese companies in areas such as highways, metro, steel plants and power.

India is participating in a big way in the Shanghai World Expo beginning in May this year.

"It is indeed satisfying that our bilateral relations have become multifaceted. They cover a diverse area. Not only within the bilateral framework but also in the regional and the global context the relationship has been expanding. We have good functional cooperation in areas such as culture, tourism, people-to-people contacts, energy, defence, science and technology, agriculture, education, trans-border rivers, parliamentary exchanges - just to indicate a few key sectors," Mr Prakash said.

He said there were also areas of divergence, including the boundary issue. "I mentioned that we have already a mechanism of SR talks in place to address the boundary issue. There is also the issue of Chinese construction activities in ***************** Kashmir which is an area of concern, as well as the issuance of stapled visas to those who are domiciled in Jammu and Kashmir. Our position is very clear that there should be uniformity in the practice of issuance of visas regardless of the ethnicity or the domicile of an Indian national. However, I must say that both sides have the maturity and the confidence to address all such issues in a spirit of friendship, peacefully and to narrow our areas of divergence, which we have been doing very successfully," he said.

Mr Prakash said there were increasing areas of convergences between the positions of the two countries not only on bilateral matters but also on regional and international issues including important matters for both countries like climate change, international financial crisis, the Doha round of trade talks and so on.

India and China are both members of G20, the East Asia Summit, the ASEAN+6 Dialogue, BRIC, BASIC, and so on, he said.

In reply to a question, Mr Bambawale said India had raised the issue of stapled visas with the Chinese Government at different levels.

"This is a matter of core concern for India because it goes to the very heart of India’s national sovereignty and territorial integrity. We have asked the Chinese side to do away with this dual visa policy, of issuing visas stamped on Indian passports for a certain segment of Indian people and giving them a separate stapled visa which is issued on a separate sheet of paper and stapled to the passport. So, this dual visa policy we have asked the Chinese to do away with. We will continue to press them on this issue because it is a matter of core concern to India," he said. Mr Prakash said India hoped that China would take this "very important concern of ours" on board.

In response to another question, Mr Bambawale said the case of the 21 Indians arrested in China on the charges of smuggling diamonds would figure during the talks between the two Foreign Ministers.

He said 20 of the 21, who were arrested in Shenzhen in South China on January 8, were charged with diamond smuggling and one with money-laundering. He said the investigations were expected to be completed in about two months and the case was likely to be brought to the courts in a few weeks after that.

He said the Consulate General of India in Guangzhou had had consular access to the 21 Indians thrice already and India had asked for yet another round in early April.

"We find that the 21 Indians are in good health. There were some complaints about the quality of the food because they are all vegetarians and they were not getting food which was adequate. I think this has now been addressed. More importantly we have insisted that the family of those Indians, at least the immediate family members, should be allowed to meet with them," he said.

"The Chinese authorities have now accepted this. There is likely to be a meeting between the immediate family members and the 21 Indians who are in jail in Shenzhen very soon. In the meantime, of course, the law will take its course. We have tried to assist these 21 Indians in finding legal redress in the sense of hiring a lawyer who has a good track record. We hope that they will get the best of legal assistance in this case," he said.
 
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Item numbers for festivals of India in China, France

New Delhi: After decades of being classified as low art, Bollywood will finally take centrestage in the government’s cultural showcasing of India abroad. The festivals of India in France and China, starting next month, will have a good dose of item numbers and filmi events.


Hosted by the Indian Council for Cultural Relations (ICCR), the festivals will have classical and folk staples listed too — budding and veteran classical artistes, puppeteers, tribal artists and folk performers. This has been the traditional cultural menu since the days of the Festivals of India in the 1980s organised by the then high priests of culture, Pupul Jayakar and Rajiv Sethi.

This time, the ICCR said, it does not want to be accused of living in denial of Bollywood’s tremendous popularity abroad. “This is our salutation to Bollywood. This is not to say that it represents all of India, but it is a part of the kaleidoscope that makes for Indian culture. Even in countries that otherwise have little connection with India, everyone recognises Indian movies, songs and stars,” said Virendra Gupta, director-general, ICCR.

Bollywood will feature more prominently in the festival in China. France has always had an ardent fan club for Indian classical arts so it will mostly get to see film retrospectives and a talk by Amitabh Bachchan. China will have 13 shows featuring hit dance and music routines across cities. The biggest filmi spectacle will be a 40-member dance show at the Shanghai Expo on July 17.
Contemporary Indian performing arts too will be given the stage at these festivals. The fusion group, Indian Ocean, will perform over 11 days across Zhenzhen, Shanghai, Chongqing and Chengdu. Many of the events will be aimed at young Chinese, who have little exposure to contemporary India.

“We don’t really want to be seen as fossilised in our past glory. Contemporary art forms too are important,” Gupta said.
Another offbeat event, this in France, is the Other Masters of India show that exhibits contemporary tribal art, which rarely finds its way to exhibition halls outside the country.

Classical artistes who have been the mainstay of Festivals of India say they are not put out by the change of tack. “Classical arts will never appeal to the masses. Not everyone buys diamonds, but that does not mean there is no market for them. There will always be a niche audience for our work,” said Saswati Sen, Kathak danseuse and a leading disciple of Pandit Birju Maharaj.
 
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Krishna to launch “Festival of India” in China

External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna will kick-off a year-long celebration of Indian culture in China during his Beijing visit next month, as the two countries mark 60 years of diplomatic ties.

During his visit in April first week, he will also hold talks with his Chinese counterpart Yang Jiechi.

The year-long “Festival of India” is being organised by the Government of India in several Chinese cities to celebrate six decades of established diplomatic relations between the two countries.

India and China established diplomatic ties on April 1, 1950 and India was the first non-Socialist country to establish relations with the People's Republic of China — a fact often forgotten in the aftermath of the 1962 war, which left a legacy of lingering tensions and a long-running border dispute.

The border issue — over which talks have made little progress — will no doubt feature in Mr. Krishna's discussions with Chinese officials. But Indian officials hope the year-long festivities in both countries — China will also be hosting a festival in India — will help the two countries turn the corner after a year of renewed strains in relations.

The festival will be launched here by Mr. Krishna on April 7, with the staging of a Ratan Thiyam play in Beijing's prestigious Forbidden City Concert Hall.

The play is based on the life of Emperor Ashoka and his conversion to Buddhism — one of the “two Bs” that, for most Chinese, almost entirely defines Indian culture. The other, Bollywood, will also be featured prominently in the festivities, officials said.
 
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Yes exactly. But don't you know the reasons?

One reason is China's media is not free. China's media does not enjoy freedom because of the commies of Beijing.

Another reason is that Chinese media is not familiar with the words patriotic nationalism. Chinese media only know the bull$hit absurd self destructive ideology of communism.

But read any Taiwanese media and see how nationalist it is.

i do; most taiwanese wish they were born japanese or born white. how much do you know about taiwan? i know alot, most of them hate themselves.

our media also has great people like Dai Xu, who dares tell the truth.
 
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