Significant drop in defence budget 2023

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Now that the Turkish and Iranian routes, thanks to the anti-terror stances and the Uranian War, the Afgan stuffs only way out is via Pak with 100% endorsement from the CIA (oust IK and get your sins Christianity-style washed out). Couple it with the most porous border with Iran, and no hurdles in controlling and milking Pak's undocumented economy (=70% of the total one). The defence budget can be 0$ without any problems whatsoever....

Visit any retired PA major's household, and immediately you can connect the "financial" dots...

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

As long as GHQ Generals have full power in the country, lavish lifestyle, 100s of army jawans for their personal use at their own villas ( Cooks, cleaners, gardeners, drivers, bodyguards, these roles are maximum in Pak army as ex-royal british army foundation is laid on colonial lifestyle), as long as they own maximum in realestate and as long as they have full access to tax payer's money - They really don't care about anything else including war preparedness. They know they don't have to fight the war, they will be out first flight to their massive businesses outside country.

They will ensure their lavish lifestyle and ensure their children go to most expensive universities even if citizens of Pakistan start dying with hunger. They literally give a damn.

 

[ACE OF HEARTS]

50 % discount on electricity bill, free air tickets, free school for children, free treatment in Hospitals, free housing, etc

The number of personal hired is increasing BUT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN THE DEFENCE BUDGET?

97 billion for Education vs 1800 billion defence budget

No wonder you CAN'T FIND EDUCATED CIVILIANS FOR HEADING / LEADING CIVILIAN INSTITUTES.

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

97 billion for Education vs 1800 billion defence budget

Pakistan Army is by far the biggest incompetent organization of the country. They take the largest possible part of budget and much more amount given to them which is never mentioned. Over 1000 billion in pensions, development and other perks are not mentioned in this amount. See below:

With such large budget, this organization is such a failure. All defence production facilities are heavily in losses. They do less than million dollar exports and their expenses are in 100s of million dollars. They employ 100s of thousands of people and yet so low productivity. On other hand, Turkish state defence organisations make billions of dollars of export with only 3000 employees.

You give only 1% of budget of Pak army to any civilian department, that department will become number.1 in the world. Not just for propaganda (as lumber 1) but in reality. It seems that mental growth just stops after passing through PMA kakul.

Apart from their organisational failures. They never won a single war and just recently on war on terror they failed miserable to protect Pakistanis. 80,000 + and counting Pakistanis died on war on terror under the watch of Pakistan army. Which army in the world is a more failure then this ?

 

[Indos]

India significantly allocates funds to research and development, prioritizing the use of indigenous systems to enhance its military capabilities. This strategic approach enables India to potentially scale its military to rival major powers like the US, Russia, or China without matching their expenditures, particularly by sourcing equipment domestically. The recent substantial order of 183 LCA Tejas MK1A by the Indian Air Force marks a significant milestone in this endeavor.

India is still the biggest defense equipment importer in the world. Do you want me to bring the data from SIPRI ?

But yes there is effort recently to increase the order of indigineous developed weapons like Tejas as you have shown

 

[Silicon0000]

50 % discount on electricity bill, free air tickets, free school for children, free treatment in Hospitals, free housing, etc

The number of personal hired is increasing BUT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN THE DEFENCE BUDGET?

97 billion for Education vs 1800 billion defence budget

No wonder you CAN'T FIND EDUCATED CIVILIANS FOR HEADING / LEADING CIVILIAN INSTITUTES.

Pakistan Army is by far the biggest incompetent organization of the country. They take the largest possible part of budget and much more amount given to them which is never mentioned. Over 1000 billion in pensions, development and other perks are not mentioned in this amount. See below:
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With such large budget, this organization is such a failure. All defence production facilities are heavily in losses. They do less than million dollar exports and their expenses are in 100s of million dollars. They employ 100s of thousands of people and yet so low productivity. On other hand, Turkish state defence organisations make billions of dollars of export with only 3000 employees.

You give only 1% of budget of Pak army to any civilian department, that department will become number.1 in the world. Not just for propaganda (as lumber 1) but in reality. It seems that mental growth just stops after passing through PMA kakul.

Apart from their organisational failures. They never won a single war and just recently on war on terror they failed miserable to protect Pakistanis. 80,000 + and counting Pakistanis died on war on terror under the watch of Pakistan army. Which army in the world is a more failure then this ?

Guys Don't get fooled by foolish propaganda news network. Proper Education budget is allocated under provincial budget after 18th amendment. Combine all provincial and federal education budget and you will get an amount somewhere equal to this 1800 billion defense budget.

Guys Dare to do this calculation here and let everyone knows the reality.

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

Guys Don't get fooled by foolish propaganda news network. Proper Education budget is allocated under provincial budget after 18th amendment. Combine all provincial and federal education budget and you will get an amount somewhere equal to this 1800 billion defense budget.

Guys Dare to do this calculation here and let everyone knows the realit

Bro, I will have to spend days and months to really calculate the budget of military. You tell me whats the budget of ISI ? Its not even included in defence budget. It remained a secret and only time when it was revealed it was nearly equal to the total budget of Pakistan air force.

If I start to calculate the cost of land, both for real estate and agriculure or commercial that Generals and Pakistan army grab without giving a penny than you would understand that what kind of mafia and what kind of oppression Pakistanis are going through.

Any military in the world pay federal govt with their budget for any land aquisition. As this land belongs to the people (tax payer civilians of Pakistan). You eat it up right away.

Also, this budget is only operational budget. You calculate and tell me how you fit 8 AIP submarines, fighter aircrafts, 4 frigates, 4 corvettes, 200+ tanks, H-Q9s, HQ 16s, guided artillery, every kind of drones all that in last few years, Add up and you will see real picture. All the military purchases cost is not even included in this budget. So its not propaganda, the reality is far more uglier.

You have literally taken everything from the citizens of Pakistan and left no bugdet and not money for real owners of the country (that's its citizens for whom the country was built at first place)

The purpose of Pakistan was to provide a safe / secure / welfare state for its residents. The whole idea is collapse by the military. Its no more safe, its not even close to welfare state. Only military families are well taken care of . But not the rest of 99.9% of citizens That's what you expect when the country is under occupation

 

[Silicon0000]

Bro, I will have to spend days and months to really calculate the budget of military. You tell me whats the budget of ISI ? Its not even included in defence budget. It remained a secret and only time when it was revealed it was nearly equal to the total budget of Pakistan air force.

If I start to calculate the cost of land, both for real estate and agriculure or commercial that Generals and Pakistan army grab without giving a penny than you would understand that what kind of mafia and what kind of oppression Pakistanis are going through.

Any military in the world pay federal govt with their budget for any land aquisition. As this land belongs to the people (tax payer civilians of Pakistan). You eat it up right away.

Also, this budget is only operational budget. You calculate and tell me how you fit 8 AIP submarines, fighter aircrafts, 4 frigates, 4 corvettes, 200+ tanks, H-Q9s, HQ 16s, guided artillery, every kind of drones all that in last few years, Add up and you will see real picture. All the military purchases cost is not even included in this budget. So its not propaganda, the reality is far more uglier.

You have literally taken everything from the citizens of Pakistan and left no bugdet and not money for real owners of the country (that's its citizens for whom the country was built at first place)

The purpose of Pakistan was to provide a safe / secure / welfare state for its residents. The whole idea is collapse by the military. Its no more safe, its not even close to welfare state. Only military families are well taken care of . But not the rest of 99.9% of citizens That's what you expect when the country is under occupation

Now you are talking sense.

My view is that Forces are getting lot of money and there is no doubt this 1800 billion figure is not the actual one. but they are also doing some job where they are using that money. (I know some money is not used rightly but there is some money which is also used rightly).


But and a big but when you see civilian budget. They are also getting enough money. Total education budget is also around 1800 billion and you don't see anything significant against that big budget.


I am talking about this 1800 billion figure and just trying to highlight who is bigger scam and where is bigger corruption. Don't gets blinded by propaganda posts and start ignoring bigger corruption.


Anyway if possible do share budget figures of all province and federal allocation of educational budget.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Nope, your defense budget ratio to GDP is considered high already.

The term small should be given to country like Indonesia with 2023 defense budget at 0.7 percent of projected GDP in 2023 and 2024 defense budget at 0.6 percent of its projected GDP in 2024 (based on IMF conservative GDP projection)

Pakistan defense budget ratio to its GDP is around 3-4 percent of its GDP ( very high- only wealthy countries can do this like USA or Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Singapore)

India defense budget ratio to its GDP is at around 2 - 3 %

Most countries spend 1-2 percent of its GDP for defense.

100 billion USD for defense while your state revenue in 2023 is around 500 billion USD. That defense budget is not small dude

For India is 2.1% only. For Pakistan it's around 3.8% and iirc they don't include salaries and pensions in the defence budget like India does, so there goes additional funds.

And given our challenges the budget is decent, neither big nor small.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Government has announced an 11 percent increase in defence budget compared to 2022.
But this increase is in PKR.
Since last year PKR has devalued so much against USD that in dollar terms defence budget has fallen from 7.5 billion USD in 2022 to 6 4 billion USD this year.
A decrease of about 1 billion USD.
In 2022 PKR 1530 Billion were allocated to defence . Dollar was 204.
Today 1804 billion PKR have been allocated to defence. Dollar is 286.
That's 6.4 billion USD.
Meaning a billion USD less this year for Psycho Munir

We should be improving our economy and education, lol.

and the reputation of our country.

The 2 "E's".

 

[ziaulislam]

Wait till the rupee goes down to 500/$. The duffer generals will be able to buy whiskey but not much more.

Generals can buy anything they want
After all worth 5b $ or oil is smuggled by them from Iran and old at 5x profit margin

All these assholes forgot to apply this in since 2018, Imran khan fucked this country up along peerni..... So our defence budget has been decreasing since 2018. it was almost 11 bil back then..... bastards..

Nawaz sharif made Pakistan great in 1999, 2017-2018 and 2022-2023. The rupee cost to dollar was increased so much each of these period by 50-70%

Inshallah he will make Pakistan great again in 2024-2028. Inshallah 500

Reason why 2b$ of CSF funding at cost of pushtoons being slaughtered didn't work because those were fake dollars uncle sam tricked us ..

While Imran Khan got billions of dollars from Israel and he hid the fact by declaring them as remittances, as soon as he left exports remittances dropped over the course of year so this is the only explanation

Also Cpec huge inflows were also fake money so didn't help nawaz sharif, can't believe how Chinese dooped us too many

 

[Indos]

For India is 2.1% only. For Pakistan it's around 3.8% and iirc they don't include salaries and pensions in the defence budget like India does, so there goes additional funds.

And given our challenges the budget is decent, neither big nor small.

Salary and pension should be the biggest component on any country defense budget like Indonesia at arounf 8.8 billion USD. While for defense equipment acquisition we use long term loan with first payment instalation at 15 % (mandated by our Finance Ministry) of total loan to order any equipment, this way Indonesia will be able to order around 30 billion USD defense equipment for 2020-2024 period despite only has defense budget at around 8.8 billion USD.

So how much is Pakistan real defense budget if salary and pension is included according to you ?