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Shouldn’t Tamil Eelam be in Tamil Nadu?

Shouldn’t Tamil Eelam be in Tamil Nadu?


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It says that total population of Tamils was 23% in 1946 and now its about 15%.

Family Planning achieved success in TN a long time ago. They're not too far behind kerala. While states like UP, MP, Bihar etc. kept bloating.

haha don't count "Indian Tamil group" percentage. :D Most of them are back in TN.

I'm wondering why we haven't annexed Sri lanka yet. If we do what we ought to do, you'd more easily wipe that smirk of your face.
 
I'm wondering why we haven't annexed Sri lanka yet. If we do what we ought to do, you'd more easily wipe that smirk of your face.

lol okay okay but if only you guys aren't ******* on our roads. (Just kidding dude.)
First try to take ur country to next level before open your BIG mouth.

Proud to be Sri Lankan million times! ;)
 
If Pakistan (or any country) was evil enough and resourceful enough and patient enough, this can be achieved.

- find a separatist kernel and nurture it; there is one in every community.
- unleash media campaign to highlight cultural and historical differences between Tamils and other Indian groups.
- unleash media campaign to highlight injustices against Tamils (real or imagined).
- unleash media campaign to highlight injustices by Tamils (real or imagined).
- a few false flag operations never hurt to inflame sentiments on both sides.
- label anyone who catches on as a conspiracy nut.
- provide sanctuary to separatist groups where they can raise money and plan mischief.

Keep the above recipe cooking for a couple of decades and voila!

You seem to miss or underestimate the Indian Govt's response here.

Tamil Nadu and other Southern states are of economic and strategic importance to Indian Govt as they provide:

- strategic depth,

- economic value due to proximity to Indian Ocean and

- also significant sources of fresh water from river which have source within India.

Indian Govt will launch hell on the foreign entity which wishes to cause destabilization in South India.
 
haha don't count "Indian Tamil group" percentage. :D Most of them are back in TN.

Tell me any country manupulating citizenship of people living in their land for generations for demographic gain in the elections.

what about Malaysia, South Africa?
 
You seem to miss or underestimate the Indian Govt's response here.

Tamil Nadu and other Southern states are of economic and strategic importance to Indian Govt as they provide:

- strategic depth,

- economic value due to proximity to Indian Ocean and

- also significant sources of fresh water from river which have source within India.

Indian Govt will launch hell on the foreign entity which wishes to cause destabilization in South India.

stop talking BS. South India is not of 'use' to 'india'- they are India.
 
stop talking BS. South India is not of 'use' to 'india'- they are India.

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Just my opinion thats all.
 
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Eelam was just a small part of the vast project of Dravida Desham.. First started in 1885 citing the mythical superiority of Chola Kingdoms and the Tamil Language.. Then evolved to the anti Hindi programme in 1917 through the justice party.. Later the movement amalgamated with the freedom struggle of India

In 1944 Tamil Nadu (south India) raised the cry for separation. While other Indians and most Asian countries under the British, wanted the British to leave their countries as fast as possible, the TN Tamils pleaded with the English not to leave without granting them a separate state, called DRAVIDA DESAM in which they included parts of Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Malabar. But Tamil not being their language, the people in those states, resented being included in a "Dravida" State.

In 1958, Indian Tamils began rioting in Tamil Nadu and burnt the Indian Constitution. This made Nehru bring in the 16th Amendment to the Indian Constitution, which said that those running for office should uphold the sovereignty and integrity of India.

Then MGR saw the perfect opportunity to use northern SL as the casting point using the Indira doctrine at that time given the island didn't have a strong armed force and was getting cosy to the US.. Which in turn made Indira Gandhi nervous and rest is history

But not the aspirations of certain TN Tamils of their mythical nation

BS- Tamil 'separatism' was never a serious force. And the Cholas were indeed superior to any Sinhalese dynasty till date.
 
Not only Indians, many more countries helping us. Indians are doing railway projects at the moment. Roads and other major infrastructure projects by China. Pakistan did some drinking water projects in northern province. Thanks to all of them.
But Tamilnadu fishermen are catching our northern Tamil fishermen's catch entering to SL waters. Few weeks ago both had a fight in mid sea. you don't hear these kind of news in TN media right? lol

India and Japan will engage with Srilanka more than China in the future :cheers:

There will be disputes between neighbors but I hope they will be resolved peacefully.
 
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Tamils in India want a Tamil homeland, Tamils in Malaysia are also voicing similar sentiments, the LTTE Diaspora and TNA in Sri Lanka want a Tamil homeland and probably with time Tamils in Canada and Tamils in the UK may also start joining in the chorus.

If this be the case with 72m Tamils already living together in one single State, where the language of Tamil is officially the majority language in a state whose name Tamil Nadu translated means Land of the Tamils, a state that originated the call for a Tamil Homeland should ideally be the place to declare that Tamil homeland. It is upto India since India’s Central Government is consistently harping on “dignity and respect” of the Tamil people to facilitate this and put to rest the time being wasted in exploring different places to flag the Tamil Homeland.

That homeland is in Tamil Nadu (Tamilakam – by virtue of being the only land that Tamil is spoken by the majority). This delay is causing undue problems because the bottom line is that one ethnic group cannot demand several mono-ethnic-homelands in different continents and countries – this is likely to create an ugly precedence globally, the UN and the West must not ignore this fact.

Bringing a dream to reality

For starters we need to accept that Tamils the world over are angry that they remain the single significant ethnic group without a homeland to call their own. Let us accept this as the problem.

In order to solve this problem we need to trace the origins of Tamil ancestry. This leads us to India where in the state of Tamil Nadu 72m of the world’s 77m Tamils already live in a state where the majority is over 95% Tamil and is the only Tamil speaking state covering 130,058sq.km ample area for all the Tamils of the world to congregate to enhance their cultural heritage and ancestry.

Has Tamils in Tamil Nadu or Tamils the world over not realized they already have a place called “homeland” – they have and there is enough evidence to depict that Tamil leaders since early 1920s have been voicing their desire to live separate of Brahmin-controlled India – a concept promoted by the Justice Party (South Indian Liberal Federation) in 1921. The Tamils accused the Brahmins of destroying Dravidian civilization using the Ramayana made worse by the prominence given to Hindi and Hindustani. This led to the Justice Party bringing a resolution stressing Tamil people’s right to a separate sovereign state under the direct control of the Secretary of State for India in London and led to the demand for a separate Dravida Nadu state (encompassing Tamil speaking states of Andhra Pradesh, Kerala, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu). The British delegation (Cripps Mission) that came in 1942 refused the request for a separate Tamil state upon Indian independence. A month before India gained Independence, Tamil leaders celebrated “Dravida Nadu Secession Day” which Mahatma Gandhi and Jinnah opposed leading to India gaining independence on 15 August 1947 without giving Tamils their separate state. In 1949 the DMK – Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam was formed continuing calls for a Dravida Nadu and that same year under Chelvanayagam the Federal Party was formed in Sri Lanka whose English name was meant to camouflage its meaning of a separate Tamil state.

The argument Tamil Nadu separatist leaders used was that India was cobbled together by the British empire. They are technically correct and historically there is enough evidence that when India was being decolonized the application of the “self-determination” concept should have been given to the Tamils to form their rightfully argued Tamil Homeland.

Note how things are falling into place and where the dissent has been originating from. In India the Dravid Nadu supporters used the slogan Brahmin discrimination while in Sri Lanka the slogan was Sinhala discrimination whereas Tamils pre and post-independence were enjoying the best of education and state employment.

In 1950s the Tamils dropped calls for Dravida Nadu (since it included other states) and from “Dravida Nadu for Dravidians” the slogan became “Tamil Nadu for Tamils”. When India weakened the separatist movement through the States Reorganization Act (along linguistic lines) in 1956, the same year Sri Lanka introduced the Sinhala Only Act which gave the perfect excuse to build the momentum. The people of Tamil Nadu realized that the “Tamil homeland” calls was nothing but a tool being used to emotionally attach Tamils together by politicians to win votes that realization has yet to dawn upon Sri Lankan Tamil voters. DMK dropped the separatist demand in 1963 but India’s Central Government craftily used the Tamil factor to start militant groups covertly in Sri Lanka so that India’s Tamil Nadu would be safe from separation and India could keep Sri Lanka’s development and political leaders under Indian noose.

It was in importing India’s ailment to Sri Lanka that makes India continue to think India can interfere into the affairs of citizens of another nation even if by ancestry they are from India. Does India have any right to issue statements on behalf of Tamils living in other nations who are citizens of those countries?Since these Tamils are no more citizens of India realistically India or Tamil Nadu has no locus standi to comment.

Such was the case in Malaysia where Muslims constitute 64% of the population with 8% Indians. Sri Lanka’s Sinhalese make up 74% of the population with Tamils making up less than 10% but both Sinhala and Tamil are official languages. Malaysia’s ID differentiates by ethnicity while there is no such differentiation in Sri Lanka. Malaysia’s constitution establishes Islam as the religion of Malaysia (Article 3) and its Government funds construction of mosques in Malaysia – following the defeat of the LTTE, the Sri Lankan military renovated numerous kovils in the North and even built several new ones.

But the Malaysian Tamils are voicing their discontent that they are unhappy over the preferential support for the Bhumiputras (sons of the soil) and are angry that Hindu temples and Hindu idols are being demolished and angry that the Malaysia Government is denying the historic influence of Hindu religion and culture and projecting Islam as existing before Hinduism in Malaysia. This culminated in a 2007 demonstration before the British High Commission requesting it to move a resolution in the UN condemning the “ethnic cleansing” in Malaysia as well as to take Malaysia before the World Court and the International Criminal Court of Justice. Let us also note that the Indian Tamil population in Malaysia was brought in as labor by the British just as was the case in Sri Lanka.

Not surprising Tamil Nadu’s M Karunanidhi came to the “rescue” of the Malaysian Tamils. However, the Malaysian Government has been able to clearly indicate to India’s Government and to the Tamil Nadu state that India should keep away from internal matters in Malaysia – so why has Sri Lanka not done the same.

A member of a Malaysian trade delegation to India firmly told ethnic Indians that the Tamils in Malaysia considered themselves Malaysians FIRST and Tamils later and that they were not interested in ethnic origins – so said Mr. R. Karunakaran, himself a Tamil.

The same delegation pointed out that the richest Malaysian was a Tamil – Ananda Krishnan. The Indian Tamils do not have a fantastic record in Malaysia – according to the Aliran journal Indians commit 40% of crimes in Malaysia, Indians were the highest detained under emergency regulations, 14% of squatters in its capital were Indian and had the highest suicide rates, 41% of beggars were Indian Tamils, 20% of child abusers and juvenile delinquents were also Indian Tamil.

Sri Lanka will no longer carry India’s burden – Tamil Eelam is in Tamil Nadu and nowhere else

The subject of decolonization came up because the world was made up of colonies ruled by colonial powers. The concept of self-determination arose to enable the “people” of these colonies or territories to decide the future status of their homeland. Thus self-determination applies only to people of colonies being decolonized. Here is where the Tamil Eelam propagandists have been misusing UN declarations.

Tamil Eelaam propagandists use the following international laws to cite their case:

• UN International Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Racial Discrimination ( G A Resolution 2106 of 1966) – we would like the Government of Sri Lanka to clearly demand examples of where the GOSL has legally and constitutionally discriminated Tamils.

• UN Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (G A Resolution 1514 of 1960) stating that “process of liberation is irresistible and irreversible and all people have an inalienable right to complete freedom, the exercise of their sovereignty” – this is where the ball returns to India. It was prior to India’s gaining independence that Tamils of India put forward a case that India was joined together by the British for their administrative needs and that the Tamils wanted a Dravida Nadu or at least a Tamil Nadu. This was denied by the British. Therefore the self-determination was applicable to India at the time of independence when India was being decolonized where Tamil Nadu should have been granted self-determination. It is not too late. This factor needs to be clearly put across by Sri Lanka’s politicians whenever “SOLUTION” demands are made by the UN, the West and even India.

• UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (G A Resolution 2200 of 1966) Article 1 : (a) “All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development”. They (b) also quote Article 3: states: “States Parties to the present Covenant.. shall promote the realization of the right of self-determination and shall respect that right”.

• (c) UN Declaration on the International Status of “peoples” and their Right of Self-Determination (G A Resolution 2625 of 1970) – “The establishment of a sovereign independent state, the free association or integration with an independent state or the emergence into any other political status freely determined by the people constitute modes of implementing the right of self-determination by that people”.

It is just as well the Tamil Eelaam lobbyists are forwarding these arguments because they all lead back to India and not Sri Lanka. It was India that failed or neglected to hear the voice of Tamils for their own homeland and self-determination at the time of decolonization. That homeland for Tamils based on self-determination is what India has denied Tamils and not Sri Lanka. So let us set the story straight. Sri Lanka’s eelam quest was started by India importing and outsourcing the struggle to Sri Lanka to avoid Tamil Nadu breaking away from India.

Sri Lankan Tamils are better off ….

When Tamils in Sri Lanka were not eating together, allowing others to educate themselves because of Tamil caste, it was the Social Disabilities Prevention Act 21 in 1957 that enabled low caste Tamils to gain education – this was opposed by all elite Tamils who even wrote to the British Government against this. Sinhala and Tamil are official languages in Sri Lanka and both are declared languages of administration (16th amendment – to communicate, publications, translations, records), Sinhala and Tamil are the language of the Courts throughout Sri Lanka. In addition, Sri Lanka’s national flag depicts both Tamils and Muslims through the colors orange and green.

All public documents – marriage certificate, death certificate, immigration forms etc are all in Sinhalese and Tamil, so too is currency and notes. All public events are presented in all 3 languages, Tamils have no restrictions on owning property, starting business ventures, obtaining state loans, owning land – whereas Sinhalese and Non-Vellalas are denied from obtaining land in North (thesavalami a law), Tamils have access to all state services and public utilities – hospitals, schools, healthcare services, public transport (at no stage did Tamils suffer as the blacks did in the US and in South Africa), Tamils have access to all forms of sports with Tamils even representing national teams, all road signs, buses etc are all in both languages. While Tamils will not allow low caste Tamils to enter hotels or restaurants of high castes, there is no hotel, restaurant, shop that says “Tamils are not welcome”. Those that accept false propaganda and lies may like to visit Sri Lanka to realize that Tamils in Sri Lanka are better off than Tamils in any other part of the world. Can we then please know where Tamils are being discriminated against in Sri Lanka?

As for Tamil Nadu – close to 20% of its population are Dalits and 80% of this number live in villages where illiteracy is over 60%. 62% of these Dalits suffer from some type of abuse ranging from physical assault, sexual harassment, verbal abuse to even rape. This is how Tamils appear to be treating their own in India where the Indian Government is telling Sri Lanka to treat Tamils with “dignity and respect”.

If Tamils cannot integrate – Tamil Nadu is the best option

We have warned India out of good faith that the balkanization of India with maximum foreign involvement will start with Tamil Nadu in view of its strategic location and nuclear capacity unless India wakes up to the seriousness of allowing Tamil Nadu to dictate terms to the Indian Central Government. India has been able to delay that Eelaam by showering Sri Lanka with 30 years of terrorism and not a word of gratitude except to stab Sri Lanka at every opportunity.

Sri Lanka’s politicians may be friends of India – but the Indian Government is not a friend of the people of Sri Lanka. We are no longer prepared to hide from the world the truth that Eelaam for Tamils is nowhere else but in Tamil Nadu and India is morally compelled to facilitate this without continuing the charade that Eelam should be in Sri Lanka.

The people of Sri Lanka are now determined to demand that its Government discontinue being party to this charade starting with revoking of the 13th amendment to restore the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Sri Lanka as rightfully suggested by the Defense Secretary Mr. Gotabaya Rajapaksa.

- asiantribune
What an BS anti tamil article? having lived in TN, i have never seen such incidents as mentioned in the article.
In Indian independence movement, just u guys google it, many of the leaders are from Tamil Nadu, from Kamarajar to Anna to Rajaji to Subramanya Bharathi.
We took every step in Independence of my nation India or bharatham in Tamil.

I have never seen Malaysian Tamils demand Independence. Complete BS :P It was laughable. The 2007 protest was for recognition of rights and better living conditions. I have relations in both malaysia and Singapore.

True some parties demanded Independence. But they were never popular in TN. DMK came to power only because of language problem in 1965.

If people know better history, then this guy wouldnt posted this good for nothing article.

And eelam basically refers to North lanka. Any Idiot would know that, except the author of this idiotic article.
 
why is everyone in pakistan so intrested in INDEPENDENT TMILNADU......am living in tamilnadu for years...... here no one needs independence from india...... v r all INDIANS first.....and v r proud to be so.......

Welcome to the forum
 
And Last few days activity on this forum is extreme Fun. I am not able to debate most of the time due to time constraints right now. But many Pakistanis, Lankan (some) and Chinese are trying to give a image like Tamils in India are demanding for a Independent nation and many support the Idea since they think it would weaken India.
Remember Folks. We are Tamilians. But we are Indians First. India is a democracy. It will take time to make our voices heard. But it will take time. But I believe in India, and will ready to give my life for my beautifull nation.
Change ur opinion guys.
 
i agree, tamil nadu should declare independence

Why ? you want more unmarked graves down south also ?

The biggest mistake dumbass prabakaran did was take on snake india - he should have not said his wishes to establish "aganda thamiz eelam" - which might have alarmed india so much that it decided that prabakaran is not worth the trouble and helped him meet his maker .

btw iam also tamilian - live outside chennai though - which is full of pro india *** kissers lol.
 
@Rajaraja Chola:

Yesterday another Indian member from TamilNadu was saying they are Indians first and how they love India.Do you think we really need this statement? We all know what Tamil nadu means to India so as every state of our country.No need to prove anything to trollers.
 
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This is royal BS.

TN is India proper,infact is the most hindu state than most BIMARU states and has almost zero muslims influence in culture,dietary habits including vegetarianism and abstinence.
 
@Rajaraja Chola:

Yesterday another Indian member from TamilNadu was saying they are Indians first and how they love India.Do you think we really need this statement? We all know what Tamil nadu means to India so as every state of our country.No need to prove anything to trollers.

No Indians know about us. We dont need to give a statement to my fellows. Many of u guys follow politics, and even me, still i havent seen a single party ask for independence.
If left unchecked, those trollers will start one thread after another regarding tamil issue, and the bottomline is even a MOD here is acting as if he is an expert on Tamils here, and "support" our independence claim :P
The statement of mine is last to them, and i don need to explain the position of tamils any longer.
 
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