Should Pakistan Navy acquire carrier kill missile

[Dr. Strangelove]

What so hard, a submarine, takes out a frigate , and hides underwater , and then you follow it up with sea hugging cruise missile attack on Destroyers, and finally launch 10 carrier killers

Nice reef underwater

Not to mention , We can just use a stealth plane , to fly a tactical nuke over the carrier and drop a present

Becasue the carrier travels with so much luggage one big move and all the assets go down under water


It would be ideal for india to keep all the stuff close proximity one big strike and all under water

sorry sir we cant get a stealth plane untill chinese complete the development of j20 and starts inducting them

 

[rcrmj]

sorry sir we cant get a stealth plane untill chinese complete the development of j20 and starts inducting them

we have 2 other stealth projects both from SAC, one to be navy based, and one will serve as Low-end alone with J-20 High-end role, who know maybe one day out of blue, China and Pakistan will make some secret arrangements about a stealth project...we will try our best to make sure Pakistan has all the things needed to keep india in check`

 

[Last Hope]

Well. You never know. Pakistani Forces are working, but from a time not long, we aren't giving it away in public due to steps by ISI. This especially is being done on Nuclear warhead/Missiles and updates on the military equipment. I have already been warned not to publish out much, but you never know if it is in the arsenal. Just take it in this way, Pakistan is readying to counter any threat from an A/C, to Subs or from Mig-21s to Su-30 MKIs.

Hence from now onwards, questions like this mustn't be arised as the things are being done under a tightly shut curtain. Cheers.

 

[Tshering22]

we have 2 other stealth projects both from SAC, one to be navy based, and one will serve as Low-end alone with J-20 High-end role, who know maybe one day out of blue, China and Pakistan will make some secret arrangements about a stealth project...we will try our best to make sure Pakistan has all the things needed to keep india in check`

Be our guest. Because we're taking steps that suit us to ensure you don't get a free ride in Asia.

 

[rcrmj]

Be our guest. Because we're taking steps that suit us to ensure you don't get a free ride in Asia.

nobody has free ride anywhere, anyway

 

[SQ8]

How does one differentiate between the launch of a carrier killing BM.. and a Nuclear tipped one??
Will the target of such a strike be able to tell that?

 

[DARKY]

What so hard, a submarine, takes out a frigate , and hides underwater , and then you follow it up with sea hugging cruise missile attack on Destroyers, and finally launch 10 carrier killers

Nice reef underwater

Not to mention , We can just use a stealth plane , to fly a tactical nuke over the carrier and drop a present

Becasue the carrier travels with so much luggage one big move and all the assets go down under water


It would be ideal for india to keep all the stuff close proximity one big strike and all under water

Nothing is so hard for your types.......
You can jump on any thing.......thank god you are not saying that you'll burn the AC battle group which has more ships is more than your entire navy in one go with death stars/divine leasers.........And the opponents would have it written on their heads-''come kick our @$$"........why can't you people be realistic and support a useful discussion rather than making a laughing stock of such meaningful debate.

 

[DARKY]

How does one differentiate between the launch of a carrier killing BM.. and a Nuclear tipped one??


Will the target of such a strike be able to tell that?

Why do they need to differentiate a carrier killing missile like DF-21D would be detected as soon as it rises around 15000 m in the air by powerful radars.........such as swordfish/green pine/ageis..........and try and negate it in boost phase itself..........And let me tell you these radars can determine missile's type by the RCS dimensions/ tail produced/ speed of launch.........even if they think it to be normal BM............the tragectory of midphase would make them sure where its leading to.

 

[SQ8]

Why do they need to differentiate a carrier killing missile like DF-21D would be detected as soon as it rises around 15000 m in the air by powerful radars.........such as swordfish/green pine/ageis..........and try and negate it in boost phase itself..........And let me tell you these radars can determine missile's type by the RCS dimensions/ tail produced/ speed of launch.........even if they think it to be normal BM............the tragectory of midphase would make them sure where its leading to.

Correct, but considering the geographic of the reigion.. lets a launch from the Sonmiani area of such a missile against a carrier perpendicular to the Kutch region might be interpreted as a launch against a southern city in India.
Event though once the missile goes through mid course corrections it can be ascertained what its actual target is.
Till then thought, it may lead to consternation amongst the OPFOR's command structure as to its nature, and (in case such a threshold is near) a call for a retaliatory strike.

Such a human factor is the reason for the reluctance in the Us to arm minutemen III's with conventional warheads.

 

[DARKY]

Correct, but considering the geographic of the reigion.. lets a launch from the Sonmiani area of such a missile against a carrier perpendicular to the Kutch region might be interpreted as a launch against a southern city in India.
Event though once the missile goes through mid course corrections it can be ascertained what its actual target is.
Till then thought, it may lead to consternation amongst the OPFOR's command structure as to its nature, and (in case such a threshold is near) a call for a retaliatory strike.

Such a human factor is the reason for the reluctance in the Us to arm minutemen III's with conventional warheads.

That's why BM like DF-21D can turnout to be disastrous on the user itself........lets say a similar missile is launched from somewhere in a valley from FATA region.........it would create a havoc in India, U.S.A., Isreal..etc.....via satellite detection of the launch.....and could be followed by a massive nuclear counter attack by all of them.....even if the missile were to fall in Arabian sea with some conventional warhead intended to destroy an AC.......not to mention the continuous increase increase in Nations who are using satellite imagery for military use.....take a case of Chinese using DF-2D and one can see nukes/other bombs flying from all over......i.e....Russia, U.S.A., Japan, Tiwan, India, Britain, France and so on.....such assets are more of showpiece.......a cruise missile is far-far more useful than those white elephants.

 

[Black Widow]

That's why BM like DF-21D can turnout to be disastrous on the user itself........lets say a similar missile is launched from somewhere in a valley from FATA region.........it would create a havoc in India, U.S.A., Isreal..etc.....via satellite detection of the launch.....and could be followed by a massive nuclear counter attack by all of them.....even if the missile were to fall in Arabian sea with some conventional warhead intended to destroy an AC.......not to mention the continuous increase increase in Nations who are using satellite imagery for military use.....take a case of Chinese using DF-2D and one can see nukes/other bombs flying from all over......i.e....Russia, U.S.A., Japan, Tiwan, India, Britain, France and so on.....such assets are more of showpiece.......a cruise missile is far-far more useful than those white elephants.

I agree with most part of your post but not with last... Cruise missile is useful but it can't bring AC down.. To bring down you need to fire 100 of cruise missiles... you need to fire 1000 cruise missile then only 100 will reach any carrier of CBG.. DF 21 is good solution (If it work)

 

[khurasaan1]

Yes! China knows what it is making......I guess they developed the right thing for carrierz killing....Alhamdolillah!....

 

[DARKY]

I agree with most part of your post but not with last... Cruise missile is useful but it can't bring AC down.. To bring down you need to fire 100 of cruise missiles... you need to fire 1000 cruise missile then only 100 will reach any carrier of CBG.. DF 21 is good solution (If it work)

Now before I start.....a question for you.......''Do we really need to sink a carrier??''

AC are one of the most sophisticated, complex, and costly platform which increases the power projection ability many times........but that does not mean the state possessing an AC can do whatever it feels good and drop anchor whichever place it pleases.......even USN with about half of world's naval ships and as many as 11 super carriers would have to think more than 10 times before anchoring close to even Karanchi if PN is armed with cruise missiles like babur/brahmos (on condition that its regime says enough is enough).....there is a saying power comes with responsibility and we know what happens who uses it senselessly.

On the carrier sinking part......A carrier might house upto 3000 crew, billion dollars of equipment, lethal weaponry including nukes, and most importantly National pride......If in any case an AC CVBG turns hostile enough then a short range cruise missile has enough potential to damage it heavily and make it unusable......and sending a strong message to the bullying navy.....If the carrier is somehow sunk....not only it would be a great loss to the hostile nation but it would change a small skirmish into a long term war......which in any case would further start a chain of undesirables events.

And if there is no other option but to sink the carrier then.......Long range Russian cruise missiles and superfast heavy torpedoes are the best carrier sinkers.......even a Babur tipped with a nuclear warhead could sink a nimitz class carrier......however hypersonic cruise missiles with conventional warhead could prove to be more appropriate.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Nothing is so hard for your types.......
You can jump on any thing.......thank god you are not saying that you'll burn the AC battle group which has more ships is more than your entire navy in one go with death stars/divine leasers.........And the opponents would have it written on their heads-''come kick our @$$"........why can't you people be realistic and support a useful discussion rather than making a laughing stock of such meaningful debate.

 

[deltacamelately]

Correct, but considering the geographic of the reigion.. lets a launch from the Sonmiani area of such a missile against a carrier perpendicular to the Kutch region might be interpreted as a launch against a southern city in India.
Event though once the missile goes through mid course corrections it can be ascertained what its actual target is.
Till then thought, it may lead to consternation amongst the OPFOR's command structure as to its nature, and (in case such a threshold is near) a call for a retaliatory strike.

Such a human factor is the reason for the reluctance in the Us to arm minutemen III's with conventional warheads.

Santro,

There's nothing called Launch on detection. It will always be launch on impact. The Big 2 never practised launch on detection and thus averted exchanges atleast thrice, during the Cold War. Rest of the nuclear powers have a way way higher launch threshold and no way in hell to avert launch detections by either the Russian or the American Strategic Nuclear Command.