Should Pakistan look to buy Saudi Al-Madinah Frigates now that Saudi is Modernizing its Navy?

[LeGenD]

There is no need for Pakistan to buy old stuff. Pakistan should buy modern Navy ships from China or Italy, Pakistan is already buying new Corvettes & new frigates from China.

PN should now try to acquire bigger & modern navy ships either from China or Italy. No more old stuff.

How do you know that the stuff we are getting from China and Russia is really "modern" in true sense of the word?

For example, RD-93 engine is not a modern piece of technology (created in 1974) but we use it in our "modern" JF-17 Thunder aircraft.

See my point?

 

[Incog_nito]

I would prefer Join Chinese or Turkish programs instead.

 

[MastanKhan]

opened their checkbooks for what? funding more wahabism schools and madrassahs? They always have an AGENDA.
you're a retard

guess who is Saudi arab's closest ally? that's right USA, guess who helped the westerners take down the ottoman caliphate? that's right Saudi's.
and guess who is the only country that stands against the USA? It's Iran, you moron
I have relatives who work in Saudi Arabia, the treatment they receive there is horrible.

They work 12 hrs per day(Labour work), only have an off day on Friday
Their monthly salary is 30,000 rupees.
Wtf is this rubbish shit salary? If they did the same amount of work in any other country then they'd be raking in over 2-3lakh rupees per month

If they came to Hong Kong(i live here) then the Hong Kong government gives the refugee $2950(40,000 rupees) per month for FREE

If you still think Saudi Arab or any other arab nation is the best then go ahead, be my guest, you're the very reason they can walk over us everytime.

They're using pakistani's for cheap labour, abusing us...
Go and do some research and you would find out how the average pakistani lives in any Arab country...



Retard.

Hi,

Sir---first of all welcome to the board---.

Secondly and thirdly---neither you are old enough---nor do you have quality of diction to be responded to---and fourthly---if paks could get paid higher wages in another country---nothing in this world would have stopped.

And fifth---have manners---we have worked very hard to keep this board civil---.

 

[FuturePAF]

I would prefer Join Chinese or Turkish programs instead.

If only we had the funds to go for that option, I would agree. But until our economy and defense budget are not large enough to fund those join venture we need to get the best value for money. The Saudi Ships are usually made with all the bells and whistle. Pakistan more than likely is, constantly, studying any available platforms for all its branches to get value for its money.

There is no indication the Saudis are selling or even planning on retiring the ships, but as new purchases come in, The GHQ should look to pickup platforms like it was with the Type 123 Dukes From the UK. Great ASW ships but it was a matter of the life of the ships and the cost. These Saudi hulls are rather new, and could have a further 20 years of life in them. In all honestly the first country Saudi would give these to if needed would be Egypt, but the GHQ needs to look for these value sales to hold the line while the economy grows under its protection.

 

[BetterPakistan]

@MastanKhan

Hi,

Pakistan Navy is going for 4 Ada class corvettes weigh about 2300 tonnes each. The price for each ship is going to be $250 mn about $1 billion for 4 corvettes. Generally, Corvettes are small ships in the range of 2000 tonnes in most navies than why Pakistan is going for much heavy corvettes? China uses 1440 tonne corvette named as type 056 corvette and its export version named as P18 corvette costs $50 million a ship. Why didn't Pakistan navy went for these corvettes? We could have bought 8 or 10 corvettes in $0.5 bn half the price which we will be spending on those 4 Ada class corvettes. The rest $0.5 Bn could be spent on 2 type 054a frigates weigh 4000+ tonnes each. In this way we could have high-low weight 10-12 war ships which will be very good in protecting our naval assets and improving our activities more in Indian Ocean. Currently we have 10 Frigates, 5 Submarines (excluding 3 x-craft) means 15 big warships other than small Fast Attack Crafts and 3 mine hunters. By going with my advised package we will have 12 Frigates, 5 Submarines and 8-10 corvettes taking total strength of big warships to 25-27 warships. Indian navy operates 23 corvettes and only 2 of them weigh more than 1500 tonnes.

 

[Penguin]

How do you know that the stuff we are getting from China and Russia is really "modern" in true sense of the word?

For example, RD-93 engine is not a modern piece of technology (created in 1974) but we use it in our "modern" JF-17 Thunder aircraft.

See my point?

By comparison (and not taking into account the common engine bay, able to accept the existing engine or the General Electric F110.):

F-16 Fighting Falcon entered service with the F100-200, with only slight differences from the -100. The Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-200 afterburning turbofan is a modified version of the F-15's F100-PW-100. The F100-100 first flew in an F-15 Eagle in 1972. Seeking a way to drive unit costs down, the USAF implemented the Alternative Fighter Engine (AFE) program in 1984. The F100-PW-220/220E was the result of the USAF's Alternate Fighter Engine (AFE) program. The F100-PW-220 was introduced in 1986 The Increased Performance Engine (IPE) program led to the F100-PW-229 on the Block 52. F-16s began flying with these IPE engines in the early 1990s.

 

[cerebrum@Assasin]

Sir,

You are a bLATANT liar---saudi arabia and emirates have helped us in more way than can be disclosed---. Everytime there is a crisis---they have opened their checkbooks.

So stop lying about saudi arabia / GCC---.

IRAN is the ENEMY---for its past actions---it cannot be trusted.

Agreed!!!!

 

[MULUBJA]

Saudi Arabia has just signed a deal to spend nearly Half a Trillion on new Arms from America over the next 10 years, with 110 billion immediately. Part of the modernization would naturally mean retiring their "old" equipment. Saudi Arabia has Three Al-Madinah Class Frigates.
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/al_riyadh

These Ships have enhanced Anti-Air and Anti-Submarine Capabilities. The Al-Riyadh was commissioned in July 2002; less than 15 years ago. it has 16 Aster 15 missiles and the Command and control /battle mangement systems from Senit 7 and some from Senit 8 (which is used on the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier). It has the Captas sonar system, modern french heavyweight torpedos, modern electronic countermeasures.

While not the latest technology, if Pakistan can acquire/purchase these ships; it would allow pakistan to operate near modern european warships at a fraction of the cost of buying a new european ship with nearly of the capabilities of a fremm frigate.

if a deal like this goes through pakistan could look into expanding the air defense capabilty with 16 more vls tubes for aster 30 and upgrading the main radar with something like thales integrated mast with aesa radars.

a fleet of even three frigates such as that would give Pakistan a decent qualitative force
It is something Pakistan and its navy should look into based on the arms deal Saudi is planning with the US.

BTW; I'm sure these ships will have the best air conditioning and automation to ease work load on the crew; and that too can be helpful in modernizing the Pakistan Navy.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-and-saudi-companies-sign-deals-worth-at-least-43-billion-1495287762
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...abilities-will-balloon-thanks-to-us-arms-deal
http://cimsec.org/saudi-navy-expansion-program/18474

Rather Saudi should be buying Pakistani defense equipment. Why are yu guys always thing of buying and that too from a country like saudi ?

 

[FuturePAF]

Rather Saudi should be buying Pakistani defense equipment. Why are yu guys always thing of buying and that too from a country like saudi ?

Because of economics; I assume the Saudis don't use their defense equipment as much as other nations and these ships can be had at a bargain price relative to their life. If you were to buy a 7 year old car with 48,000 miles on it for the price of what the average 7 year old car sells for, you would get a car with the average mileage of a 3-4 year old car. plus with it has all the accesories put in at the time of purchase for a lot of extra money, at the time of sale, if it is lightly used, it will still have most of its use in it, the bugs worked out, and the seller will only charge a fraction of the markup it cost to put it in when first bought. Pakistan is a master of modifications on a shoestring budget.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Is ksa selling these frigate