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A look at how used and upgraded F-16s could meet PAF requirements

27 January 2016

By Bilal Khan

While the Pakistan Air Force (PAF)’s desire for new F-16s is widely known, hardly any attention is paid to the idea of it potentially studying used fighters as a means to meet its needs. To be fair, there is no news suggesting that this is the case, but it would be surprising to see the PAF not consider this route as a means to compliment its plans for new-built Vipers.

With the ongoing induction of the JF-17 Block-II and development of the heavily upgraded and promising JF-17 Block-III, there is no urgency in acquiring new medium-weight fighters in addition to the F-16s. There was a time, especially in 2005-2009, when the PAF sought the Chinese J-10 to augment the Thunder. But with the listed design aims of the JF-17 Block-III, it is apparent that the potential payoff of the J-10 would not necessarily be worth the added cost of inducting an entirely new medium-weight platform.

To the disappointment of many, the F-16 is still on the PAF’s modernization roadmap. The general reluctance towards the F-16 is almost entirely due to the reality of possible U.S. sanctions. This is a valid concern given the crippling impact American arms embargoes have had on Pakistan, especially during the 1990s when the PAF had 71 new-built F-16s in the pipeline.

Unfortunately, not only did the arms embargo cap the production of those birds to 28 units, but those fighters were parked in Arizona through the 1990s and early 2000s. To make matters worse, the U.S. refused to refund Pakistan for those planes, arguing instead to let a third-party buyer’s payment serve as compensation. However, a new buyer could not be found, and the U.S instead refunded Pakistan in soybean oil, and then proceeded to allocate those F-16s to USAF and the U.S Navy. A lack of attrition replacements and spare parts reduced the PAF’s fleet to 32 fighters (from the original 40) by 2001.

Those sanctions were lifted after 2001 (following America’s entry into the region), and by 2014 the PAF’s F-16 fleet had swollen to 76 fighters. The PAF is looking to enlarge that fleet with eight new Vipers. It is possible that the PAF is looking to raise its F-16 fleet to the originally planned force of 110 fighters (as envisioned in the late 1980s). Purchases of new F-16s in small increments could enable the PAF to build its F-16 fleet without incurring a significant risk. The thinking here being that it is better to lose out on eight planes than seventy one.

However, with a possible delivery time of up to two years, would new F-16s alone be sufficient in meeting the PAF’s immediate needs? The PAF has hundreds of aircraft to retire, and while the JF-17 will replace the majority of them, certain units – such as the oldest Mirages – are slotted for retirement by 2020. With such a short timetable, it is unlikely a handful of new F-16s or even the JF-17 (at the current production rate) would easily fill all operational gaps.

It is possible that the PAF is considering used F-16s as a means to both plug nearing operational gaps as well as steadily building a sizable medium-weight fighter fleet. The PAF has the maintenance infrastructure to operate both A/B and newer C/D airframes, i.e. practically every kind of used F-16 available on the market. It is unclear if the PAF could acquire used F-16s under the Excess Defence Articles (EDA) program, which would limit costs to “packing, crating, handling, and transportation.” In other words, the airframes themselves would be free, or at least very cheap.

If used airframes are acquired, the PAF could then have the option of pushing the F-16s through a service-life extension program (SLEP), which would extend the life of the airframes. The U.S. Air Force (USAF) recently issued arequest for information (RFI) for SLEP offers for around 300 of its F-16C/Ds. The SLEP would extend the life of USAF F-16s to 12,000 hours (from the current maximum of 8000).

In terms of upgrades, the ideal situation would warrant the acquisition of the F-16V-upgrade kit, which includes an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar. Based on the package released for South Korea, an upgrade of that level could cost $20 million U.S. per unit. Unfortunately, given the sensitive nature of the technology involved and the ‘concerns’ it could draw from certain quarters in Congress, it is unlikely that the PAF would be able to secure the F-16V-upgrade. A configuration in-line with the PAF’s existing fleet of Block-52+ and MLU is more likely.

If Indonesia’s planned purchase of 24 surplus F-16C/Ds with airframe restoration and upgrades (but no new radar) is of any indication, the PAF could pay around $30-35 million U.S. for each used, restored and upgraded F-16. In comparison to the PAF’s newly-built Block-52+, which cost $80 million U.S. a unit, this would be a highly cost-effective option. Yes, this is not an ideal solution, but it could be a viable short-term replacement for many of the PAF’s ageing Mirages, especially with the 2020-deadline in mind.

However, there are serious caveats. It is unlikely the U.S would release munitions such as the AGM-154 Joint Stand-off Weapon (JSOW) or clear the use of the Harpoon Block-II anti-ship missile, both of which would give PAF’s F-16s stand-off strike capabilities. The AIM-9X within-visual-range air-to-air missile (WVRAAM) would be a welcome addition as well (considering the PAF already has the helmet mounted display and sight system to make full use of it). However, that too is unlikely.

Above all, there is the very real possibility of the U.S completely denying the PAF the chance to even acquire used F-16s. This is keeping aside questions about potentially onerous end-user requirements or the issue of releasing a large cache of spare parts and possibly even reserve aircraft for attrition.

On the other hand, the PAF may not need that many additional F-16s to meet its short-term requirements. Whether new and/or used, it is almost certain that these F-16s would be the last the PAF procures, especially as it looks ahead to not only the JF-17 Block-III, but its next-generation fighter as well.

@Horus
 
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To be fair, there is no news suggesting that this is the case, but it would be surprising to see the PAF not consider this route as a means to compliment its plans for new-built Vipers.
Why didnt even consider the used F-16s we recently inducted and not to forget the EDA F-16s?
 
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I have heard that PAF had been offered old Bl 32C+Ds in replacement of Block 15s but refused them. I suspect there may be issues with different spares for the earlier and later C and Ds. I have asked many a times but not got a satisfactory reply. perhaps one of the EX/ current PAF bods might be able to answer..???@gambit@Bilal khan777 and others..
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PAF WILL go for more 2nd hand F16s block 15 configuration...... and then will upgrade them with MLU. PAF will achieve its old wish of having 110 F16s in its arsenal.

By 2020 we have to get rid of all Mirages and F7P ....... there are 160+ Mirages and 100+ F7P in our arsenal ...... with Jf17 production rate of 16 aircrafts per year we cannot fill the void. We will have 180+ Jf17 by 2020 so the room for 100 aircrafts will still exist. This is where the need of 2nd hand F16 step in.
Get 36 more of them and you have cheap and worthy replacement......

Also induct 36 new aircrafts (F16V,F15,F18 what ever)..... only then you will be able to replace old junk in PAF successfully........
 
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i heard they tried to go for European examples, although they were cheap they were very old as they were the first f16's to be introduced. in terms of examples, the usa is the only option for used f16's as well as new. seeing congress blocking the current f16 deal, buying more f16 new or old will be hard. i think the deal for the 8 f16 will go through and they will get option for either 10 or 26 to form 1 or 2 squadrons. also you need to think about influence, the USA has had influence in Pakistan for over 15 years now and it would hate to lose it. so there's that that may turn the tide. i think we need to wait about 30 days for congress to come up with another reason to stop the deal if not the deal sails through.
 
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Ah our blind love for F 16s. I love this plane too but its like that beauty for which you have to fulfill a huge set of demands which is way too risky. However, as our nation doesnt want to look somewhere else, so they may fulfill their wish as we will only learn after when we suffer. You go for older ones, you need US permission, you want to MLU them, you need US permission, you want to get new ones, you need US permission, you want to use them, you need US permission.

J-10, J-16, Su 35 plzzzzzzzzz.
 
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With the way things go, I wouldn't be surprised if the PAF opted for 'GROUNDED' F-16's!!

This was ridiculous like 10 years ago, now this is just painful.
 
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Donald Dump ke naam per 10 F-sola de do koi ...
Stop been a F****** beggar ...
 
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i heard they tried to go for European examples, although they were cheap they were very old as they were the first f16's to be introduced. in terms of examples, the usa is the only option for used f16's as well as new. seeing congress blocking the current f16 deal, buying more f16 new or old will be hard. i think the deal for the 8 f16 will go through and they will get option for either 10 or 26 to form 1 or 2 squadrons. also you need to think about influence, the USA has had influence in Pakistan for over 15 years now and it would hate to lose it. so there's that that may turn the tide. i think we need to wait about 30 days for congress to come up with another reason to stop the deal if not the deal sails through.

What influence are you talking about? You think selling 8 F-16s has any influence on Pakistan? US Congress is asking the same question, hence the blocking of the deal.

US Congress will eventually let the F-16 order through, but this talk of selling Pakistan 1-2 squadrons is unrealistic, at the moment. Not even Obama offered beyond 8 F-16s.

Even PAF Air Chief realizes this, hence his comment that further orders will take time.
 
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Buy SU - 35.

Now 8 F-16's is like peanuts will take 4,5years, Useless deal.

Don't become Americans Slave....Minimize the dependency on Uncle Sam.
 
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Double the production rate of JF17 by adding new production site and start focusing on JF31. That's all you have. Rest is all dream.
 
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Buying used F-16s a/b or MLU might still be a good options. Paf must decommission f-7s filling coffins.
Older mirage and F-7 will have to be decommissioned between 2018 - 2020.

Pakistan can request for Russia for a Hybrid Su-35 (design for Pakistan with some western/Chinese electronics) with active phased array airborne radar (AESA), Multi-function displays (MFD), holographic head-up display (HUD), advanced helmet mounted sight (HMS), Infra-red search and track (IRST), self-protection jamming pod, electronic reconnaissance pod, navigation/attack pod, Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting, Terrain-Following Radar (TFR).
 
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I say not even new they are not deterant any more i say they are flying coffins against enemy air arsenals number and tech even block 60 wont do us any favour get rid of 80s and move ahead
 
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How PAF will deal to that situation if they will go again and again for used f16s and currently already used F16s, mirages entire fleets will go retire by 2020 or 2025. when now PAF is unable to replace part of its aging fleet? its not a solution to fill gap with used ones or out dated fighters instead its a waste of money that will cost to the country defence one new machine is better than 3 old already used machines same like as one new JF 17 is better than 3 old f5s or f7s because new machine at least have life of 20 to 25 years but old already used how many years you will use it 3, 5, or 7 years not more than this and then it will go to scrap total waste of money plus maintainence problems also.
 
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The life line of used F16 is going to be an issue. Pakistan purchased some old F16's from Jordan but the life of F16's which was mentioned was 10 years, I don't know if anything has been done to make sure the F16's do not ground.
 
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