Should Pakistan change it's name? Poll

[SamantK]

Man you are seriously trolling here.

No he is not, he id giving them suggestions which in case they want to change atleast for the OP, they are perfectly valid.

 

[American Pakistani]

If giving away the legacy of the Mughals is what it takes for Pakistanis to lay off their [fake] claims on IVC, so be it..

How long will you indians live on fake self made history. Keep dreaming of akhanda bharat.

 

[Thorough Pro]

I open this thread to know how many Pakistani peoples interested in changing the name of Pakistan to Indus.

Or we can use the name 'Pakistan' in Urdu & 'Indus' in English? What say,

If you choose 'NO' Please give a reason.

WARNING: NO TROLLING PLEASE.

What contradiction, I find this thread to be a total troll, open attack on Pakistan identity. Mods please close this thread.

 

[yoku]

Pakistanis,

Please, claim exclusive rights to "Indus valley civilization" history. we are more than happy to help you in claiming IVC.


For confused Pakistani expats wondering why IVC is associated with India rather than Pakistan: Ancient cultures are named after the place which it was discovered for the first time, a convention in modern archaeology. That's why IVC was named Harappan culture, which is in Pakistani Punjab. This culture is often referred to as a civilization because of its Population, areal extent, Urban Planning, knowledge of writing, arts like dance, painting, sculptures etc., One more important reason being the clear knowledge of it's evolution with times.
7000-5500 BC to 1300-300 BCE.

Pre-Early Harappan period(7000-3000 BCE), often associated with Mehrgarh, (present day Baluchistan) was a period of Food Producing (surplus to support a settled life) and a late Neolithic phase of this culture.
Early harappan Period(3300-2600 BCE) is often referred to as Ravi phase(after the river Ravi) was the next stage of the culture, studied or observed at Harappa, Punjab and other sites in Baluchistan.
Mature Harappan Period (2600-1900 BCE) is the actual "Civilization" that our Friend here wants to reclaim as Pakistani Civilisation. Unfortunately for him, it wasn't a stuck up/stagnant culture but an evolving one. This ancient culture evolved in to what we now refer to as Late Harappan culture.
Late Harappan Culture (1900-1300 BCE) is Painted grey ware culture leading up to the Iron Age of India along with the rest of the world. The period being 1300-600 BCE is often associated with the decline of IVC and early Iron Age India.
Iron Age India, Early Vedic Period, Decline of IVC all these are supposed have happened within the same period of Late Harappan culture.(1900-1300 BCE). Hence the Theory of Aryan Invasion was floated citing the texts of Rigveda, which was later modified to Aryan Migrations Theory, which is still under study.(Aryan, here is a linguistic group/ Groups).
Even Though the IVC urban centres were Harappa, Ganeriwala, Mohenjo-Daro in modern day Pakistan, and Dholavira, Kalibangan, Rakhigarhi, Rupar, and Lothal in modern day India, some smaller settlements in Afghanistan, Baluchistan, Turkmenistan, modern Day Geography wasn't the issue while studying ancient cultures and peoples.
But, India is generally considered as Classical Living Civilization, along with Ancient Greece, Ancient Chinese and this Civilization has it's roots in the interaction of IVC peoples and later Vedic Peoples(without or without Aryan Theories). Hence, Ancient India is associated with IVC and India as a civilization has it's roots in IVC. Hence, the association with India and not Pakistan.


PS Indoi name was used by greeks to refer to people living in Indus valley (and couldn't conquer beyond Indus), but the name India came to be used by the West borrowing from greek tradition to mean whole of sub continent , which BTW was seen by Chinese, Persian, Greek Travellers as a unique single entity just as the people, scholars and kings of ancient India.

 

[yoku]

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[DRaisinHerald]

How long will you indians live on fake self made history. Keep dreaming of akhanda bharat.

Akhanda Bharata to be more precise in their Holy Language...which by the way also originated in modern day Pakistan

 

[American Pakistani]

Since, the earliest traces of existence of Pakistan came with Bin Qasim, How about
Qasimistan, or Binistan?
Mughalistan?

Are you presenting new countries generating from india?

Seriously, WHERE ARE MODS? TROLLS HAVE RUINED THE THREAD.

 

[American Pakistani]

What contradiction, I find this thread to be a total troll, open attack on Pakistan identity. Mods please close this thread.

Prove it as an attack on Pakistani identity.

In my second post i said that i will love to see both names Pakistan as well as Indus, just like Soviets & Russia or Iran & Persia. IVC is history of Pakistan, from where you bring that identity crises crap?

 

[Tshering22]

bharatis despise Mughals and other Islamic invaders. Pakistanis don't despise the IVC.

We can see that from the state of your denials about yourself.

Pardon me but based on what I asked so many Pakistani members here and other forums, they consider themselves as either Turkic or Arabic. The Shia community considers themselves as Persian descendants.

So how is IVC connected to your country?

 

[bindaas]

Mughals are as much Pakistanis as they are indians since their empire governed both (but mostly northern subcontinent, ie Pakistan), you can find just as many Mughal monuments in Pakistan as in northern bharat. However IVC is mostly, if not all of it is located in Pakistan including major cultural and learning centers of the IVC.

Large part of IVC lies in India as far as Meerut in the East. Lothal was the principle sea port of IVC from which they used to trade with Mesopotamia. There are many other Important IVC sites in Gujarat, Rajasthan, Haryana, Indian Punjab, Jammu and Meerut.

Stop claiming Mughals we will stop claiming on Pakistani part of IVC.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

I don't really like the name India frankly, but let me make a good comparison:

Turkmenistan or Afghanistan calling themselves Persia is as stupid as Hindustan calling itself India.
We all agree Persia is a name which belongs to Iran alone, since the centre and origins of the name are linked to Iran. Iran chose for herself a better name which it sues today, and dumped 'Persia', but it still belongs to her.

 

[bindaas]

Mughals are as much Pakistanis as they are indians since their empire governed both (but mostly northern subcontinent, ie Pakistan), you can find just as many Mughal monuments in Pakistan as in northern bharat. However IVC is mostly, if not all of it is located in Pakistan including major cultural and learning centers of the IVC.

Large part of IVC lies in India as far as Meerut in the East. Lothal was the principle sea port of IVC from which they used to trade with Mesopotamia. There are many other Important IVC sites in Gujarat, Rajasthan, Haryana, Indian Punjab, Jammu and Meerut.

Stop claiming Mughals we will stop claiming on Pakistani part of IVC.

 

[The HBS Guy]

Indsiabia [Indus + Persia + arabia]


Now that is perfect.

Man that's a tongue-twiser.

 

[Desert Fox]

For brainwashed indians:


Early Civilizations of Pakistan

From the earliest times, the Indus River valley region has been both a transmitter of cultures and a receptacle of different ethnic, linguistic, and religious groups. Indus Valley civilization (known also as Harappan culture) appeared around 2500 B.C. along the Indus River valley in Punjab and Sindh. This civilization, which had a writing system, urban centers, and a diversified social and economic system, was discovered in the 1920s at its two most important sites: Mohenjo-daro, in Sindh near Sukkur, and Harappa, in Punjab south of Lahore. A number of other lesser sites stretching from the Himalayan foothills in Indian Punjab to Gujarat east of the Indus River and to Balochistan to the west have also been discovered and studied. How closely these places were connected to Mohenjo-daro and Harappa is not clearly known, but evidence indicates that there was some link and that the people inhabiting these places were probably related.

An abundance of artifacts have been found at Harappa -- so much so, that the name of that city has been equated with the Indus Valley civilization (Harappan culture) it represents. Yet the site was damaged in the latter part of the nineteenth century when engineers constructing the Lahore-Multan railroad used brick from the ancient city for ballast. Fortunately, the site at Mohenjo-daro has been less disturbed in modern times and shows a well-planned and well-constructed city of brick.

Indus Valley civilization was essentially a city culture sustained by surplus agricultural produce and extensive commerce, which included trade with Sumer in southern Mesopotamia in what is today modern Iraq. Copper and bronze were in use, but not iron. Mohenjo-daro and Harappa were cities built on similar plans of well-laid-out streets, elaborate drainage systems, public baths, differentiated residential areas, flat-roofed brick houses and fortified administrative and religious centers enclosing meeting halls and granaries. Weights and measures were standardized. Distinctive engraved stamp seals were used, perhaps to identify property. Cotton was spun, woven, and dyed for clothing. Wheat, rice, and other food crops were cultivated, and a variety of animals were domesticated. Wheel-made pottery -- some of it adorned with animal and geometric motifs -- has been found in profusion at all the major Indus sites. A centralized administration has been inferred from the cultural uniformity revealed, but it remains uncertain whether authority lay with a priestly or a commercial oligarchy.

By far the most exquisite but most obscure artifacts unearthed to date are the small, square steatite seals engraved with human or animal motifs. Large numbers of the seals have been found at Mohenjo-daro, many bearing pictographic inscriptions generally thought to be a kind of script. Despite the efforts of philologists from all parts of the world, however, and despite the use of computers, the script remains undeciphered, and it is unknown if it is proto-Dravidian or proto-Sanskrit. Nevertheless, extensive research on the Indus Valley sites, which has led to speculations on both the archaeological and the linguistic contributions of the pre-Aryan population to Hinduism's subsequent development, has offered new insights into the cultural heritage of the Dravidian population still dominant in southern India. Artifacts with motifs relating to asceticism and fertility rites suggest that these concepts entered Hinduism from the earlier civilization. Although historians agree that the civilization ceased abruptly, at least in Mohenjo-daro and Harappa there is disagreement on the possible causes for its end. Invaders from central and western Asia are considered by some historians to have been "destroyers" of Indus Valley civilization, but this view is open to reinterpretation. More plausible explanations are recurrent floods caused by tectonic earth movement, soil salinity, and desertification.

Pakistan - Early Civilization in Pakistan

 

[Awesome]

Just lose the Islamic republic tag and revert back to Republic of Pakistan or just Pakistan.