Should PAF go for J-13? ( including possible first flight photo)

[Rank]

Dear, I dont have any reference but I heard that Pakistan tested a cruise missel few weeks ago when Zardari was on America tour.
Pakistan and India has signed understanding that when any one of them tests a missel must inform other. but the agreement is for only Billestic missel not for cruise.
The other reason if Pakistan bring the news on media uncle sam will not like this. Uncle will get more consious abt Pakistan nuckes.
As for new jets, I have doubt that US might create problems for upcoming 18 F-16's.
I think now Pakistan shld forget USA aids and their miltary equipments. We have lost and paid many things to get American arms. But this all depends on our hungry leaders ( ). Look at the number of forign visits zardari had for last 1 year. All are paying by GOP.

We should look for new friends like france, China, Sweden, Germany etc.
I think we did mistake to buy F-16.
We have 2 options in mid/late 80's to buy F-16 or Mirage 2000. We rejected Mirage 2000 and went for F-16. I think we are still paying for the wrong descion.

A STRON LEADER get all those stuff (above listed) ...

The only person is Kiyani who ask for these equipments. I thing he has enuff gutz to ask for equipments with Pressure.

 

[SSGPA1]

Hi,

Once on a defencive footings---PAF is a dead air force---no ifs and buts about it. If you let IAF fly without impunity from their bases within 200 to 500 miles radius from our border---PAF is a dead duck.

The enemy must fear fear air attack on its bases. We cannot depend on cruise missile strikes----the cruise missile strikes will take the war to a different level---even though we can't stop it from happening.

For that reason when I say and I believe when MuradK states that we need a J11----my personal belief is that we are stating a plane with similiar capabilities.

Weapons procurement is based upon competing against the enemy mano a mano and winning everytime----it cannot be based upon " twin engine strike aircraft are expensive to maintain" for that reason we cannot and must not buy them.

Well---then this question must be asked---what is the price of freedom and the defence of the motherland---

The other option is very easy-----make a statement to the world----pakistan is declaring its non aggression stance from today---all the the nuclear weapons are being destroyed---we don't want war with india under any circumstance---we are cutting down our expenses on the millitary to a minimum---do the Mahatama Gandhi routine---turn the other cheek. That is the only way india can be defeated---through peace----the same way israel can be defeated.

Excellent repsonse ... F-16, JF-17 and J-10 along with nukes are enough for now to defend Pakistan ... My strategy is for now (next 10 yrs) lets get the economy strong and have more submarines and then we can go for twin engine jets ...

 

[Arsalan]

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I think now Pakistan shld forget USA aids and their miltary equipments. We have lost and paid many things to get American arms. But this all depends on our hungry leaders ( ). Look at the number of forign visits zardari had for last 1 year. All are paying by GOP.

We should look for new friends like france, China, Sweden, Germany etc.
I think we did mistake to buy F-16.
We have 2 options in mid/late 80's to buy F-16 or Mirage 2000. We rejected Mirage 2000 and went for F-16. I think we are still paying for the wrong descion.

agreed muzbair!
though F16 is far better playform but what use is it of when we get them after decades of delays, a block 15 ordered 15 years back is no good even if we receive it now!
thanks got we got the option of upgrades and more thankfull we also have same upgrades on cards from turkish firm that means they wont be cancled or sanctioned ofr nothing!!

now we can only wish tha US do give us block52 and that too with complete specs i-e do not remove some of its key technologies like NVG, HMS HMD modren HUD latest bus and radar and donot give us the down graded version! also we must pray that the MLU goes on as described and planned!

i totally agree with you

regards!

 

[Fennecus]

That picture is obviously a fake, not even a very good PS job.

 

[Rank]

My strategy is for now (next 10 yrs) lets get the economy strong and have more submarines and then we can go for twin engine jets ...

Strong Economy ????

Zardari musharaf and Strong Economy ? hehhehehe double engine. lol even im afraid kay kaheen single engine say b na haath dhooo bhetay idar tu double engine ke baat horahe hey

 

[araz]

Strong Economy ????

Zardari musharaf and Strong Economy ? hehhehehe double engine. lol even im afraid kay kaheen single engine say b na haath dhooo bhetay idar tu double engine ke baat horahe hey

So instead of laughing and criticizing do you have a solution? i would like to remind you that the language of communication on this forum is English. So please write your response in English. Urdu is alright for gup shup forum but not on a serious thread.
Secondly, please take some time and read posts of muradk and other aviators who have their fingers on the pulse of the PAF and try to understand their reasons for posting what they do. And if then you dont understand, please ask and one of the seniors will explain it to you.
Please dont get disappointed or angry by my response. It is the response of a senior brother to a younger Brother
Jazak Allh o khair
WaSalam
Araz

 

[TOPGUN]

Strong Economy ????

Zardari musharaf and Strong Economy ? hehhehehe double engine. lol even im afraid kay kaheen single engine say b na haath dhooo bhetay idar tu double engine ke baat horahe hey

Stealth yes a strong economy ! offcourse its a no brainer no $$ no honey simple meaning no $$ no goodies to simple! Furthermore, perhaps you need to read up a bit more on Pakistan as for Zardari i have no words but i have you know when Musharaf was in power the economy was at its ever best alteast after many many years plus few of the goodie projects now that inshallah we are seeing and will see in the near future are from his effort! additon to that friendship and peace with India was at its every best it could have been a dream come true may i go down the list of thins so please read up then comment we cant buy anything until we have a strong economy and even when we do we have to see who is willing to sell to us anyhow good day!

 

[Rank]

Stealth yes a strong economy ! offcourse its a no brainer no $$ no honey simple meaning no $$ no goodies to simple! Furthermore, perhaps you need to read up a bit more on Pakistan as for Zardari i have no words but i have you know when Musharaf was in power the economy was at its ever best alteast after many many years plus few of the goodie projects now that inshallah we are seeing and will see in the near future are from his effort! additon to that friendship and peace with India was at its every best it could have been a dream come true may i go down the list of thins so please read up then comment we cant buy anything until we have a strong economy and even when we do we have to see who is willing to sell to us anyhow good day!

LOL let see! dude let see!

 

[Tayyab1796]

Zardari and economics... can he spell 'economics' ? He for sure has the skills to turn '10 %' into '100 %' ... I wish I had too.

 

[Jazzbot]

interesting, i want to know about this J-13, even though that pic is fake.. What's the status of this project, any details or links..?

 

[Mani2020]

There are various projects for a 5th generation aircrafts that are running under the banner of J-xx program and different aviation companies are competing for a 5th generation fighter for PLAAF like what happens in US their companies like LM,Boeing,GE competes with each other.Same is going on in China and i think J-13 is possibly one of the aircrafts of this J-xx program.

but there is still a very confusion regarding the names that had been assigned to these aircrafts by people with limited knowledge like some says its j-12 others j-xx itself and a third one comes up with j-14 but no one knows wat really is cooking inside .Chinese projects are usually or should i better say often very secret ,only appear on big screen after induction into PLAAF

So till any of these aircrafts comes out officially.Its anybody's guess

 

[Mani2020]

As far as j-11 is concerned i m a big fan of this aircraft.I'll love to see them in PAF. According to some sources these birds were in Pakistan almost a year back dont know for what purpose.

I dont see any such problem of russian interference in China selling j-11b to Pakistan because till to date according to many sources nearly all the avionics are Chinese made just the airframe is russian infact there are also some changes made to the airframe by China and reduced its orignal RCS from 15 to 5 .

And we can look back at our f-7's these were also the copies of russian mig-21 but China sold it to us same goes for f-6 so why there would be any problem of China doing it again,also at a point of time when we are also using russian engines Rd-93 which the themselves provided us

When China can make a copy of su-27 and russia couldnot stop them also Russians dont want to loose China as a friend and as a biggest user of Russian equipment

 

[bilal1219]

Excellent repsonse ... F-16, JF-17 and J-10 along with nukes are enough for now to defend Pakistan ... My strategy is for now (next 10 yrs) lets get the economy strong and have more submarines and then we can go for twin engine jets ...

Screw ur J10's man. We dont even know whats up with that , we may or may not get them. How sure are we. Next to none ????. Right now all we have is F16 and JF17 couz if war was to happen tommrow then this is all we have got. No mentioning about J10 fc20 blah blah. We cant say anything about it until we get them. couz look, even though we say china good friend and what not but china giving us equipment is for some of their reason or to their advantage/interest as well. As some wise ppl say, There is is always a reason behind something. J10, Well... we dont know what will happen as we have no news about it.
Take care

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Dear, I dont have any reference but I heard that Pakistan tested a cruise missel few weeks ago when Zardari was on America tour.
Pakistan and India has signed understanding that when any one of them tests a missel must inform other. but the agreement is for only Billestic missel not for cruise.
The other reason if Pakistan bring the news on media uncle sam will not like this. Uncle will get more consious abt Pakistan nuckes.
As for new jets, I have doubt that US might create problems for upcoming 18 F-16's.
I think now Pakistan shld forget USA aids and their miltary equipments. We have lost and paid many things to get American arms. But this all depends on our hungry leaders ( ). Look at the number of forign visits zardari had for last 1 year. All are paying by GOP.

We should look for new friends like france, China, Sweden, Germany etc.
I think we did mistake to buy F-16.
We have 2 options in mid/late 80's to buy F-16 or Mirage 2000. We rejected Mirage 2000 and went for F-16. I think we are still paying for the wrong descion.

The next 18 block 52 -- bad timming, Afghan war is winding down -- the lead time to get the next 18 is about three years -- no one knows what would happen in next three when there would not be direct US involvement in Afghanistan. Furthermore, India would have chosen its new fighter!!!!

The better option would be to stick to MLU option and get more low airframe hour earlier blocks.

My 2C worth

 

[subanday]

Excellent repsonse ... F-16, JF-17 and J-10 along with nukes are enough for now to defend Pakistan ... My strategy is for now (next 10 yrs) lets get the economy strong and have more submarines and then we can go for twin engine jets ...

Today, Pakistan is only saved by the potent threat from her Nukes. No F-16 , JF-17 or J-11 is being actually feared by our enemy. They have got better conventional capabilities.

But they know that any mis-adventure resulting in Nuke-Juice will surely send them to their Naya Janam.