Shooting at Another School in America

[Raider 21]

What ever you say, Pops.

What's 'typical' of me to say that I couldn't care less 'bout the US & their issues with School Shootings.

If the US can use a Predator or Reaper & kill a van full of innocent children in a School Bus - then they deserve this mess they' ve created.

'Bullying' is hardly a reason to go all out locked 'n' loaded. These f#*kin' weak minded kids wouldn't last a week in our Public Schools.

Here or there, bullying is bullying whether Arab, Pakistani, American.......there can be no comparison, just numbers. And school shootings should be classified as terrorism, irrespective of religious motive or not.

 

[VCheng]

Instead we as a society need to voluntarily "limit" some of these freedoms by enacting laws, abiding by them, enforcing them, and having punishments for those who break those laws as a deterrent.

A great post. That is exactly why there are prescribed due processes defined for amending or revoking any Amendment. Let the opponents of The Second Amendment use arguments such as yours to move the revocation by due process.

 

[Cookie Monster]

A great post. That is exactly why there are prescribed due processes defined for amending or revoking any Amendment. Let the opponents of The Second Amendment use arguments such as yours to move the revocation by due process.

Lol nice joke but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Have u seen how many senators are given "donations" by the NRA? Have u seen how many of these senators represent states(and ppl) who are die hard second amendment supporters? None of them in their right mind are about to give up their seat and "donation" money in the next election.

 

[PakFactor]

This is not a problem. After all, there are due processes for amending or revoking any Amendment.

Who said the 2nd Amendment needs revoking or change? All their needs to be is sensible gun laws in place and strict controls on who can purchase a gun of various calibers. State laws need to be changed we have a huge problem in Chicago cause dumb fucks can go to Indiana right next door get a weapon without much background check and come to Chicago and offload. Along with background checks their needs to be a mental health evaluation along with interviews with neighbors and stuff to check up on the individual character.

 

[Trailer23]

Here or there, bullying is bullying whether Arab, Pakistani, American.......there can be no comparison, just numbers. And school shootings should be classified as terrorism, irrespective of religious motive or not.

Agreed. Look, i'm not for bullying 'cause i've been on both sides.

The difference is that no one in our Country decides to carry their dad's M-16 & engage in a trigger-happy session. Shockingly, there is no shortage of guns in Pakistan, but our lads still handle it the old fashioned way - fist fight.

American teens are weak-minded (period). Them with their obesity, depression, suicides, PTSD, LGBT-nonsense.

Have u seen how many senators are given "donations" by the NRA?

That is the Pandora's Box. Its almost taboo to even talk about it. Republicans live off the NRA and have been for decades.

 

[Raider 21]

Agreed. Look, i'm not for bullying 'cause i've been on both sides.

The difference is that no one in our Country decides to carry their dad's M-16 & engage in a trigger-happy session. Shockingly, there is no shortage of guns in Pakistan, but our lads still handle it the old fashioned way - fist fight.

American teens are weak-minded (period). Them with their obesity, depression, suicides, PTSD, LGBT-nonsense.

That is the Pandora's Box. Its almost taboo to even talk about it. Republicans live off the NRA and have been for decades.

Pakistan actually has a lot of gun issues especially in the northern areas. It is just less documented. Americans are given more attention.

It ain't the guns are the issue. It is the culture.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Mental health care plays a large part in these kinds of cases.

Terrorism is mental too, the difference is they do it for politics. Normal people absolutely do not have the desire to attack randomly, no matter what the cause.

 

[Trailer23]

Pakistan actually has a lot of gun issues especially in the northern areas. It is just less documented. Americans are given more attention.

The argument isn't Gun Control (in general).

Here, we're talking on the subject of what Columbine did back in '99 & the culture it set. Now every kid in the US feels that the only way to get even is go out gun blazing & not just kill the one who picked on you, but anyone who gets in the way. Teachers included.

Comparing the Northern issues of Pakistan with School Shootings isn't even argument. Here we're talking about kids armed to the teeth 'cause daddy is your typical hillbilly who's got enough guns to arm a small militia - for hunting purpose, ofcourse. Those issues you speak of in the North are Tribal/Land related which goes back decades. I'm pretty sure the Organized Crime in the US has stronger numbers.

I'm certain that places like NYC/NJ, Ohio, Michigan, Houston, LA have far higher fatalities annually compared to us.

 

[Raider 21]

The argument isn't Gun Control (in general).

Here, we're talking on the subject of what Columbine did back in '99 & the culture it set. Now every kid in the US feels that the only way to get even is go out gun blazing & not just kill the one who picked on you, but anyone who gets in the way. Teachers included.

Comparing the Northern issues of Pakistan with School Shootings isn't even argument. Here we're talking about kids armed to the teeth 'cause daddy is your typical hillbilly who's got enough guns to arm a small militia - for hunting purpose, ofcourse. Those issues you speak of in the North are Tribal/Land related which goes back decades. I'm pretty sure the Organized Crime in the US has stronger numbers.

I'm certain that places like NYC/NJ, Ohio, Michigan, Houston, LA have far higher fatalities annually compared to us.

Like I said earlier, it is the culture that has them going for schools.

Yes I'm aware of the tribal area type issues, probably a little more well versed by being from there.

You're blessed to be in Dubai, far safer than any other city mentioned in this thread.

 

[VCheng]

Lol nice joke but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Have u seen how many senators are given "donations" by the NRA? Have u seen how many of these senators represent states(and ppl) who are die hard second amendment supporters? None of them in their right mind are about to give up their seat and "donation" money in the next election.

Who said the 2nd Amendment needs revoking or change? All their needs to be is sensible gun laws in place and strict controls on who can purchase a gun of various calibers. State laws need to be changed we have a huge problem in Chicago cause dumb fucks can go to Indiana right next door get a weapon without much background check and come to Chicago and offload. Along with background checks their needs to be a mental health evaluation along with interviews with neighbors and stuff to check up on the individual character.

Like it or not, and whatever shade of opinion one may have, all have to work within the same system laid down by the Constitution for dealing with complex issues like gun control. Any changes, if any, must be by due process.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Like it or not, and whatever shade of opinion one may have, all have to work within the same system laid down by the Constitution for dealing with complex issues like gun control. Any changes, if any, must be by due process.

Well no one here is suggesting anarchy...it's just a frustration with the system. It has increasingly become less so for the ppl by the ppl...and more so puppets(that are supposed to represent the ppl) being controlled by corporations(anyone with money basically...whether an individual or a collective of some sort). Betsy Devos is a recent example of this mockery..of what we still call a system. Just look at her interviews in front of the congress members...and see how "qualified" she was. Then take a look at how much money her family has "donated"...
...and then take a look at the measures she took after being appointed.
...it's a joke...one of the many being played on the average person.

 

[Goritoes]

Guns has to be control, lots of lunatics running with automatic guns and thousands of bullets.

 

[VCheng]

Well no one here is suggesting anarchy...it's just a frustration with the system. It has increasingly become less so for the ppl by the ppl...and more so puppets(that are supposed to represent the ppl) being controlled by corporations(anyone with money basically...whether an individual or a collective of some sort). Betsy Devos is a recent example of this mockery..of what we still call a system. Just look at her interviews in front of the congress members...and see how "qualified" she was. Then take a look at how much money her family has "donated"...
...and then take a look at the measures she took after being appointed.
...it's a joke...one of the many being played on the average person.

Your frustrations are evident. I would agree that the system is not perfect, but also observe that it works pretty well overall. And it will continue to refine and improve itself, as it has done since its inception.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Your frustrations are evident. I would agree that the system is not perfect, but also observe that it works pretty well overall. And it will continue to refine and improve itself, as it has done since its inception.

I would argue that it used to work...more or less as intended at its inception..and has deteriorated ever since...
...with more and more loopholes...human nature creeping in...finding ways to corrupt the system for self benefit.

Just to name a few examples...
Tax loopholes...where some of the biggest corporations and billionaires pay 0 taxes(or close to it...much less than their actual share). I highly doubt that the founding fathers had this in mind.

Internet/Cable companies...having divided areas among themselves as some sort of drug cartels. Eliminating competition and so they get to dictate the price...whereas ppl have no choice but to pay that for some abysmal service...having no other options...and yes...that's somehow legal for them to do so.

Things like super PACs allowing millions of dollars to be funneled(basically bribery under a garb to make it legal) to politicians. The founding fathers didn't create a clause for a super PAC anywhere.

Congress trying to stack up the supreme court judges according to their ideology. IIRC...recent example being Mitch McConnell leading a bunch of senators to block(not approve/delay) Obama's pick and instead waiting around until his term ends and a Republican president could be elected...and publically admitting so.
...I personally don't care whether a right wing supreme court judge gets appointed...or a left wing...it's just the dirty politics at play...abusing the system...that's appalling.

I've already mentioned things like Betsy Devos being appointed...almost bordering on oligarchy...
...then there's all the financial abuse...like corporations gaming the system...and basically getting away with it paying peanuts in "fines" compared to what they earn through their shady practices. A major example was the 2008 economic crisis...
...a relatively minor but more recent example(compared to the 2008 economic crisis) is that of Wells Fargo...
...where they fake inflated their worth by opening unauthorized multiple accounts for ppl...soaring the stock price earning millions for those at the top. Then when they got caught...they pinned it on branch managers and other lower level employees...paying a fine that paled in comparison to what they made.

These are just a few examples...I could think off the top of my head. There's much much more...
...the further back u look...the less the system seems gamed(an exception maybe the time slightly before the square deal).

 

[CatSultan]

The family and I were thinking the other day to shift to Texas for business opportunity.

But anyways, it's sad these shootings are happening in Schools and stuff, something is mentally wrong with these kids.

I'm in Texas right now. It's pretty safe.

Not to mention the fact that drugs are rampant in American high schools. Just a completely degenerate culture in general.

Never been happier that I'm homeschooled