Shocked: What is this? Only for Pakistanis

[muse]

I do think its in bad taste or just a Faux pas to have that banner still hanging in the back while dancing to munni song. But it is irresponsible and could very well turn out risky to the lives of these people, in craziness called today's Pakistan.

That is certainly true and shameful and tragic -- on the other hand it makes our case that increasingly because of such things, islam has ceased to have "meaning" in peoples lives, now it is not a vehicle to bring one to Faith in God, to enable hope, it is merely a tool of coercion, of social engineering --- the Arabized crew does not understand that it is they who have the most to lose from such a development - their intolerance and parochial attitudes towards, particularly with regard to women, which they disguise as "religiosity", will result in a backlash that if they were sober, they would not be looking forward to.

This whole business of asserting a monopoly on truth will ending undermining them.

They should have removed the banner. This is shameful, and before the Liberalism Satsi come and dump the "arabized" title on me, i am far from being a hard line Muslim, but i do fear god and the day of judgement. My judge and wali is god, what any man or woman thinks of me or my beliefs.... Frankly i couldn't give a flying sausage.

So yes they should have removed the banner, anyone who cannot understand or respect that, GTFO!

But why should your fear and love for God become a restrain on others?

 

[RescueRanger]

That is certainly true and shameful and tragic -- on the other hand it makes our case that increasingly because of such things, islam has ceased to have "meaning" in peoples lives, now it is not a vehicle to bring one to Faith in God, to enable hope, it is merely a tool of coercion, of social engineering --- the Arabized crew does not understand that it is they who have the most to lose from such a development - their intolerance and parochial attitudes towards, particularly with regard to women, which they disguise as "religiosity", will result in a backlash that if they were sober, they would not be looking forward to.

This whole business of asserting a monopoly on truth will ending undermining them.



But why should your fear and love for God become a restrain on others?

No one is restraining them from dancing or having a shag on stage, but all that is being asked is, could you have at least taken down the banner?

 

[muse]

No one is restraining them from dancing or having a shag on stage, but all that is being asked is, could you have at least taken down the banner?

So you do wish to restrain their banner? Where as you would be open to them restraining you? No one way streets

 

[RazPaK]

No one is restraining them from dancing or having a shag on stage, but all that is being asked is, could you have at least taken down the banner?

Muse is an anti-Islamic troll.


Just a heads up.

 

[ranjeet]

Lakh lanat on Badnaam Munni .... for corrupting the pious ones !!!!
Had it been in the comfort of some of the few privileged one's farmhouse It would have been Kosher !!!

 

[muse]

See the point about the necessity of coercion?

 

[Chak Bamu]

If even those innocent girls don't escape the madness of self righteous fanatics, what chances do these people stand? Unless you want a lynch mob behind these people, you wouldn't be discussing this issue.

You are confusing things here. Let me reiterate that the murder of those girls had nothing at all to do with any sense of righteousness, or fanaticism. It was a blind act that came out of Pakhtoon tribal traditions.

Lynching? killing? Are you nuts? As someone noted, this could be a hoax.

We are discussing this thing, because like most things on this forum this issue has been obfuscated by the likes of you. Just read the *&%*$ thread title.

 

[RescueRanger]

So you do wish to restrain their banner? Where as you would be open to them restraining you? No one way streets

Their banner? You live in the UK, and so you must be aware of provocation in the criminal legal system. By that definition if a certain act will create a detrimental impact on a community cohesion the impacted community has the legal right to ask that banner or article to be removed or taken down, this is well within the frameworks of human rights act articles 5/9/10 and 11.

For example you could be having a totally innocent dance on stage, but if the banner behind you said lets bomb america or death to all jews, you would be answering a volley of questions down at the nick.

See my logic, it is about mutual respect within the frameworks of a civilized society.

 

[nastikan]

No one is restraining them from dancing or having a shag on stage, but all that is being asked is, could you have at least taken down the banner?

The very second post calls the video the face of moderate islam. That seems more like pushing an agenda to me. This is not seen as an error but some kind of threat to your way of life.

 

[RescueRanger]

Lakh lanat on Badnaam Munni .... for corrupting the pious ones !!!!
Had it been in the comfort of some of the few privileged one's farmhouse It would have been Kosher !!!

No one has stopped anyone from dancing, it is the banner that is at question there.

The very second post calls the video the face of moderate islam. That seems more like pushing an agenda to me. This is not seen as an error but some kind of threat to your way of life.

My way of life? Yar, you don't know **** about me. Please, don't go there!

 

[Major Sam]

You are confusing things here. Let me reiterate that the murder of those girls had nothing at all to do with any sense of righteousness, or fanaticism. It was a blind act that came out of Pakhtoon tribal traditions.

Lynching? killing? Are you nuts? As someone noted, this could be a hoax.

We are discussing this thing, because like most things on this forum this issue has been obfuscated by the likes of you. Just read the *&%*$ thread title.

basically i think muse can don't know the meaning of respect. well both are same as both dont know about what islam really says. Illiteracy on the peak

 

[Chak Bamu]

Muse is an anti-Islamic troll.


Just a heads up.

I think he is just confusing things in the heat of debate. His POV is certainly off. He does not quite get it yet it seems and reading his bias into it.

Hey @muse: Ba Khuda Deewana, Ba Mustafa HoshiyarBash!!! Good advise if ever there was once.

 

[baqai]

this particular munni in the video did got badnaami now courtesy of this video being posted on social media ... what a disgrace

 

[muse]

Their banner? You live in the UK, and so you must be aware of provocation in the criminal legal system. By that definition if a certain act will create a detrimental impact on a community cohesion the impacted community has the legal right to ask that banner or article to be removed or taken down, this is well within the frameworks of human rights act articles 5/9/10 and 11.

For example you could be having a totally innocent dance on stage, but if the banner behind you said lets bomb america or death to all jews, you would be answering a volley of questions down at the nick.

See my logic, it is about mutual respect within the frameworks of a civilized society.

I think you have that wrong - Dancing naked or otherwise with a bomb America in the background is simply an artistic choice, not an invitation to drones.

I know where your head and heart is when you are calm - this is just a discussion, so consider: Why does it increasingly take coercion for a segment of or a kind of religiosity, to get it's point across? What does it say about that kind of religiosity?? How is it different from what the Talib seek to impose on us?

 

[Chak Bamu]

basically i think muse can don't know the meaning of respect. well both are same as both dont know about what islam really says. Illiteracy on the peak

Bhai Usama, my post was in response to Nastikan, not muse.