Shock New Google Warning For Anyone Buying Huawei Mate 30

[AViet]

US being rosy with VCP doesnt make them continue to spew anti-communist propangada against them. South Vietnam left over regime in US continue enjoy great support from US federal until now.

US always play a double games all the time.

Facebook and Google/Youtube have proved to be un-reliable partners, although they are now better working with our government to remove bad information. However, developing a capable Vietnamese one to replace both Youtube and Facebook is in hot debate recently at government level.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Why should we rely on foreign social media?.

I'm not sure Vietnam has a big enough market to justify this. You will need a large market like that of China to make this commercially viable. If CCP wants one that is easily controlled censored, they can still use Chinese ones like YOUKOU and Iqiyi which I mentioned previously. Or maybe Vietnam is also wary of Chinese apps?
I don't see the point of Vietnam creating a new one. Doubt people there will use it like they do with YouTube already.

 

[Beast]

You might be right, but majority of people around the world are just normal consumers who go to shop to buy a normal nice phone to use easily like every other phone out there. Most people can't be bothered to go through all these processes of cracking codes and what not. Especially since they don't really need to since they have many other alternatives to buy where they don't need to do all that. You should know that consumers generally want a good product which is easy and convenient to use . They want to be buying something and having to do some work on it again. Therein lies the real problem for Huawei. I'm afraid It will definitely affect their business big time outside China. The world is already too hooked up and used to Google services (Android,maps,playstore etc) to look for an alternative. Only IOS comes close. It will be a very big blow to Huawei consumer business to be honest. Only hope here is for US and China to reach a trade deal and the trade restrictions can be lifted.

No crack code is needed. It just simple download of software from PC and install. If normal consume can accept clicking google play store on their smartphone. Such task is not much different by too much.

 

[AViet]

I'm not sure Vietnam has a big enough market to justify this. You will need a large market like that of China to make this commercially viable. If CCP wants one that is easily controlled censored, they can still use Chinese ones like YOUKOU and Iqiyi which I mentioned previously. Or maybe Vietnam is also wary of Chinese apps?
I don't see the point of Vietnam creating a new one. Doubt people there will use it like they do with YouTube already.

You can easily find that no of Zalo users in Vietnam far more surpassed that of Viber or Whatsapp. Vietnamese online commerce sites now dominating the market (from Alexa). Why we cannot do it with social media, with population of 96 millions and most have access to Internet.

 

[mike2000 is back]

No crack code is needed. It just simple download of software from PC and install. If normal consume can accept clicking google play store on their smartphone. Such task is not much different by too much.

That is why I said consumers in general are quite lazy. Lol. They don't want to do extra work when they don't need to. Everybody has already been used to buying a phone that comes with all Google services for a long time now. So they expect every phone to have that preinstalled. Most consumers won't be bothered to have to do this work all again themselves . Especially when they don't need to(many other alternatives), this will play a big part in their choice of which phone to buy. Why do you think Chrome now dominates the world's mobile browser(and even desktop) market meanwhile UC browser and opera were once the world leaders and even increasing the gap at one point ? It's because almost every phone out there now comes preinstalled with chrome , so even people who were used to using UC browser (like myself) couldn't be bothered to go and installed UC browser again after buying a new phone especially when they already have Chrome browser on their phone. Which is why Chrome now dominates the world browser market completely. (I think over 60% market share and growing). Apple's safari comes second due to the same reason(it's iPhones preinstallations). Others like once dominant UC browser and opera now languish at the bottom trying to survive and remain relevant.

 

[Beast]

That is why I said consumers in general are quite lazy. Lol. They don't want to do extra work when they don't need to. Everybody has already been used to buying a phone that comes with all Google services for a long time now. So they expect every phone to have that preinstalled. Most consumers won't be bothered to have to do this work all again themselves . Especially when they don't need to(many other alternatives), this will play a big part in their choice of which phone to buy. Why do you think Chrome now dominates the world's mobile browser(and even desktop) market meanwhile UC browser and opera were once the world leaders and even increasing the gap at one point ? It's because almost every phone out there now comes preinstalled with chrome , so even people who were used to using UC browser (like myself) couldn't be bothered to go and installed UC browser again after buying a new phone especially when they already have Chrome browser on their phone. Which is why Chrome now dominates the world browser market completely. (I think over 60% market share and growing). Apple's safari comes second due to the same reason(it's iPhones preinstallations). Others like once dominant UC browser and opera now languish at the bottom trying to survive and remain relevant.

Yes, do agree but if hardware spec has a big different, the little effort to do some pre installation will be worthwhile It a matter of time , an installation of apk file by phone will be available. Huawei mate 30 pro hardware spec is so powerful that all those effort to do pre installation is worthwhile for buyer who do appreciate huawei mate 30 pro.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

You are right. It is GMS and not Android that is under discussion here. We are discussing the Google Play Store and that requires GMS. Installing GMS on Mate 30 is piracy.

It is piracy only if the company not authorized to use it are using it. If you install GMS, then it isn't piracy as you are not sanctioned from doing so.

I cannot source GMS for Mate 30 from Google. How do I know that the source I use is above board. Whoever is making it available is basically indulging in piracy. What if he has changed it a bit to open the machine to attack

Sideloading doesn't require any hacks. Nevertheless, since no official store gives the app directly, it is possible for the sideloader upload of APK has cracked it. But by using reliable APK stores, that chance can be limited. Secondly, the chance that the reliable APK store cracks an app is less than the chance that Google themselves have cracked it to let CIA inside

I general, the main drawback of Huawei Mate 30 is its 5G which means massive battery consumption.

 

[Paul2]

I don't need Googel, and I would've gladly bought Mate 30, but who in the world came with an idiotic idea to cut a notch into the display? Huawei should fire whomever designed Mate 30.

 

[KhanBaba2]

It is piracy only if the company not authorized to use it are using it. If you install GMS, then it isn't piracy as you are not sanctioned from doing so.

Google is charging a fee for each GMS. Installing it for free is then piracy. I did not understand your "not sanctioned" part.

Sideloading doesn't require any hacks. Nevertheless, since no official store gives the app directly, it is possible for the sideloader upload of APK has cracked it. But by using reliable APK stores, that chance can be limited. Secondly, the chance that the reliable APK store cracks an app is less than the chance that Google themselves have cracked it to let CIA inside

No legal android app store will keep GMS. Will they get revenue from it. If they do, will they share it will google. If not, it is piracy. If yes, google is breaking the law of not giving GMS to Huawei.

How many American or European users will trust a non legal Android App store.

 

[Bengal71]

Trump has single handedly killed the US tech dominance in IT. This is the beginning of the end of Google's absolute domination. Wait only 5 years.

 

[Beast]

Google is charging a fee for each GMS. Installing it for free is then piracy. I did not understand your "not sanctioned" part.




No legal android app store will keep GMS. Will they get revenue from it. If they do, will they share it will google. If not, it is piracy. If yes, google is breaking the law of not giving GMS to Huawei.

How many American or European users will trust a non legal Android App store.

That is user fault. Not Huawei. Ask Google go charged the user.

 

[khail007]

FYI, Huawei fired all their US staff, now other companies are flooded to absorb that talent. Truth is hard to digest, but without Google Android, Huawei is a dead end. They will end up shutting the moblie divisions.

It seems to be otherwise, IMO Google will have a painful era ahead. Now Google should prepare to start a battle of their survival.
Just take an example of automotive industry. About two decades ago, GMC and Chevy were big brand names, now you rarely find them.
RR (aeronautical division) just surviving due non-transparency in their deals.
Sooner or later, western/USA dominance in civil aviation will also be over.
The miracle of China is that they make access of common man to technological benefits cheap and easy, which was previously only dedicated to wealthiest/elites.

 

[Mentee]

Iam all set to buy a huawei cell phone in a couple of days. Other fruits are simply not compatible with the local system.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

FYI, Huawei fired all their US staff, now other companies are flooded to absorb that talent. Truth is hard to digest, but without Google Android, Huawei is a dead end. They will end up shutting the moblie divisions.

Huawei indeed fired all their US staff but it's not because they are losing revenue; instead Huawei moved their jobs to Italy.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Huawei Confirms Another Nasty Surprise For Mate 30 Buyers

There have now been three days of feverish speculation as to whether Huawei will find a workaround for users to overcome the lack of Google software and services on its new flagship Mate 30 smartphones. Google’s core services and software, including Gmail, YouTube and Google Maps, cannot be made available unless its core Play Services are also installed.

The company’s smartphone boss had suggested a complex workaround, enabling users to unlock access to the very core of its phones, installing Google core services at a system level—creating excitement in the technical community. But now it seems that he was wrong: Huawei has confirmed this will not happen, after all. Unless and until there is a lifting of the U.S. blacklist, its users will seemingly just have to go without.

So, put simply, Huawei’s smartphone boss said the company would make a change to enable a complex install process for Google services onto its Mate 30 devices, and then the company reached out to say, actually, that’s not the case at all. Not good.

Most U.S. apps—even the likes of Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram—will be available to install on the Mate 30 from other app stores. But not Google’s core services and software. Huawei has already confirmed they will not ship with the Mate 30 devices. To after-market install those services would mean users unlocking the bootloader on their devices.

Despite outlawing the practice for security reasons some time ago, there had been speculation the company would enable bootloader unlocking. Android Authority reported consumer boss Richard Yu saying “we limited it because we wanted to guarantee more security for consumers. But this time we will leave more freedom for the consumers so they can do more customization by themselves. So we are planning to let consumers do that.”

Essentially, Huawei’s consumer boss had told the media the process would be enabled, substantiating his previous comments that there would be “workarounds.”

But alas this will not be the case. As I suggested, this would be too complex and risky for the vast majority of Huawei’s users, and it would put Google in a difficult position with the U.S. government if it was seen to be accommodating a workaround. In an update to its story, Android Authority has now reported that a Huawei spokesperson had reached out clarify that, despite Yu’s comments, the company has “no plans to unlock the bootloader on Mate 30 devices.”

In reality, millions of users were never likely to “root” their devices and customize their ROMs in any case, not with its inherent effort and, worse, security risks. But some more technical users would do exactly that, and on balance this was seen as a poor idea on a number of fronts.

In the meantime, and as I’ve said before, there is maybe a learning in this for Yu himself. The consumer boss claimed a new “faster than Android” OS would be available soon after the blacklist came into effect. As it transpired, though, we were given HarmonyOS which isn’t a replacement for Android on smartphones at all. And then, when Google dropped its support for the Mate 30, Yu told us that the phones would be unlocked as a workaround. Now that doesn’t seem to be the case. There’s maybe some message management required.

This doesn’t rule out some other option being found, but it is hard to see how the company can workaround the lack of Google Mobile Services on its devices without such a move. “How this choice will impact those wanting to sideload Google Play Services,” Android Authority commented, “is as yet unknown and we don’t yet know if this decision may be revised in future. With no Google Play Services and no Google apps out of the box, the Mate 30 series has a pretty serious uphill battle on its hands in the West—Huawei declined to comment any further on the bootloader situation.”

Earlier I reported that Huawei has taken the next steps in its moves to widen the developer ecosystem for its own variant of unlicensed Android and its emerging HarmonyOS alternative. In reality, this is the direction of travel for the company in lieu of a significant change in Washington’s stance. The prize for getting this right will be huge, but the company will shed users on the way as they likely elect to stick with the tried and tested full-fat Android they have today. Huawei will keep focused on the long game and the rest of us will watch to see what happens.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdof...ms-another-nasty-surprise-for-mate-30-buyers/