Shias and Sunnis clash in Indian Kashmir

[OrionHunter]

after starting propaganda against AJK and Balochistan, and eventually failing Indian media has brought out another propaganda topic to somehow hide the atrocities in IHK.

Don't spew rubbish please. This isn't 'propaganda' as you contend. Have you even seen the map of Kashmir, leave alone visiting these areas? Unlike keyboard warriors like you, I have spent close to three years in the area and know it inside out, like the back of my hand. So I know WTF I'm talking about.

There are Shia-Sunni undercurrents prevailing there which erupt from time to time. In the Valley, generally, the Shias hate the Sunnis and vice versa. Shias are highly anti Pakistan too and want nothing to do with them. These Shias are generally fond of the army and play an important role in the information grid.

So yes. This schism between these two sects in Kashmir is here to stay. It's not going away anytime soon due to intrinsic ideological conflict.

The bottom line is, only the Sunnis of Kashmir prefer Pakistan, not the Shias by any stretch of imagination as they know what's going on in Pakistan! And the Sunni majority constitute only 6 districts out of 22 in J&K who are creating problems with external help.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Don't spew rubbish please. This isn't 'propaganda' as you contend. Have you even seen the map of Kashmir, leave alone visiting these areas? Unlike keyboard warriors like you, I have spent close to three years in the area and know it inside out, like the back of my hand. So I know WTF I'm talking about.

There are Shia-Sunni undercurrents prevailing there which erupt from time to time. In the Valley, generally, the Shias hate the Sunnis and vice versa. Shias are highly anti Pakistan too and want nothing to do with them. These Shias are generally fond of the army and play an important role in the information grid.

So yes. This schism between these two sects in Kashmir is here to stay. It's not going away anytime soon due to intrinsic ideological conflict.

The bottom line is, only the Sunnis of Kashmir prefer Pakistan, not the Shias by any stretch of imagination as they know what's going on in Pakistan! And the Sunni majority constitute only 6 districts out of 22 in J&K who are creating problems with external help.

I wonder, why the Shias in Pakistan are not anti Pakistan? heck, even during the Zia era there were Shias on high posts in Pakistan

 

[Pakistan First]

I wonder, why the Shias in Pakistan are not anti Pakistan? heck, even during the Zia era there were Shias on high posts in Pakistan

+1

RAW at it's usual work. Time for ISI to start similar activities in India. There's a lot in India to exploit.

 

[shah1398]

I agree that he had cause to be bitter, and I enormously regret the turn of events. But tell me - is that a good enough reason to wage war on the state? You will ask me what I would have done. I would have trained for the law and hunted down the killers and got them one by one.

Sir taking arms is the worst and last resort for anyone. If we had any bad intentions against India as a whole then we would heavily invested in so many anti state factors like Mao and Naxals etc as the ground is already and always prepared for that. But we have not even looked towards those. Now coming to the point. This very recent uprising in Kashmir has so many factors that has worried the planners out in Delhi. These worries has been that now local educated youth of Kashmir are taking arms against state and more worrisome is that locals are protecting them in case of any action against them.

Reference it.

One of many references as I earlier stated:

https://kashmirobserver.net/2016/local-news/kargil-shuts-marches-kashmir-8736

 

[OrionHunter]

I wonder, why the Shias in Pakistan are not anti Pakistan? heck, even during the Zia era there were Shias on high posts in Pakistan

You mean to say there is no schism between the Shias and Sunnis in Pakistan? There have been clashes galore between them including torching/destroying each others mosques etc. However, they are basically Pakistanis and thus not 'anti Pakistan' per se.

However, Kashmir is a different ballgame altogether. The Shias here were never a part of Pakistan and never want to be. And they generally don't join the protests and stone throwing mobs which is the handiwork of the Sunnis, who are paid by their Sunni Hurriyat masters for creating trouble.

For your info, only 6 districts out of 22 in J&K are Sunni dominated. But they try and proliferate into other districts too and create trouble there to show that the whole of Kashmir is in turmoil. It is not!

 

[dray]

after starting propaganda against AJK and Balochistan, and eventually failing Indian media has brought out another propaganda topic to somehow hide the atrocities in IHK.

The persecution of even Shias in the hands of the Sunni Islamists of Kashmir is a fact dear. These bigots have also destroyed all the Sufi shrines in Kashmir. I don't know what propaganda is being fed to you, but the ground realities are different. What is happening in Kashmir is no freedom movement, it's a jihad, jihad against all the non-Sunni Muslim Kashmiris.

 

[Hellfire]

@Rain Man posted enough links of cross section highlighting that all is not good in the land of pure and faithful of Indian subcontinent either in trrms of shia sunni .

 

[The Eagle]

Great timing I mean, really this is well timed and organized one.

Simply two things achieved, 1) highlighted and insisted on Shia being victim and 2)well try to portray Kashmir freedom with sectarian clashes to diversify the issue. The rejection of UNHRC's request was not easy to justify before the international forum yet, being desperate and feeling the heat of recent rise in Kashmir issue, a very planned statements and approach to create a divergent. How much access do everyone have to IOK, no internet since almost 45 days, no access for media except India's own so what to expect. If such tactics were enough and justified that much, a long ago Kashmir would have been handed over to India like in the plate but UN still realizes that things are opposite to mostly propagated about IOK. India shouldn't have rejected the UNHRC's recent request for visit on the basis of human rights violation. Rejecting such request on the basis of a claim that world other parts are violating too which itself is not a plausible explanation.

Statement after statement and lot of media projection proves Indian desperation against the pressure built based upon Kashmir issue. US or Russia or anyone else are not on board for India alone for such concerns.

 

[ranjeet]

Isn't ASWJ an anti Shia group Sipah e Sahaba? It's leaders rub shoulders with Hafiz Saeed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/764868084310179840

https://twitter.com/x/status/759194272642072576

 

[Hellfire]

Statement after statement and lot of media projection proves Indian desperation against the pressure built based upon Kashmir issue. US or Russia or anyone else are not on board for India alone for such concerns.

Remains to be seen.

You over rate Indian moves of the past few days, by ascribing them to an unilateral thought process bereft of any diplomatic/political support with significant clout and backing.
Having said that, the fact that the US General in Afghanistan had recently called upon India to step up in helping train and prepare the ANA for the challenges they have to face, is an indicator of some changes, howsoever subtle, that has resulted in a statement, perhaps after Indira Gandhi, that somehow has been supported by all political parties across the spectrum.

This single act of Pakistan of hailing Burhan Wani, has ensured that the politicians in Pakistan have managed to hand Modi a situation, wherein, he has been able to get the backing of complete opposition and something which now seems to be receiving the support as a policy statement (@Dash this is the answer to your wondering if this is an isolated statement or a policy makeover).

By this single act, you have consolidated Modi's position in Indian political scenario. A very ill thought out move by Pakistan.

 

[Dzz]

I wonder, why the Shias in Pakistan are not anti Pakistan? heck, even during the Zia era there were Shias on high posts in Pakistan

Maybe you should open your eyes and ears last I checked most of balochistan has a huge Shia population. Fact is without social bonds humans are animals who will fight over anything for dominance over other .

 

[The Eagle]

Remains to be seen.

You over rate Indian moves of the past few days, by ascribing them to an unilateral thought process bereft of any diplomatic/political support with significant clout and backing.
Having said that, the fact that the US General in Afghanistan had recently called upon India to step up in helping train and prepare the ANA for the challenges they have to face, is an indicator of some changes, howsoever subtle, that has resulted in a statement, perhaps after Indira Gandhi, that somehow has been supported by all political parties across the spectrum.

This single act of Pakistan of hailing Burhan Wani, has ensured that the politicians in Pakistan have managed to hand Modi a situation, wherein, he has been able to get the backing of complete opposition and something which now seems to be receiving the support as a policy statement (@Dash this is the answer to your wondering if this is an isolated statement or a policy makeover).

By this single act, you have consolidated Modi's position in Indian political scenario. A very ill thought out move by Pakistan.

Modi has long ago given an opportunity to Kashmiris and Pakistanis to rise the issue of Kashmir by more pressure. India wrongly handled the Kashmir issue especially in last month and more whereby applied the force yet many acknowledged.

Calling for ANA training, let me tell you something more as well, a NATO couldn't do so yet asked India for that, do you know why, because there is no loss for US or NATO anymore and India is falling into trap. The invitation was in 2010, if I remember and how did India progress in this matter nothing. I would love to see India training ANA in Afghanistan on record because off the record, Doval is playing the game since long. You are just assuming the things here however, China is playing a major rule in Afghanistan peace talks along with Russia and we all have seen an active diplomacy in the same subject from few days back. Don't you think Russia wholeheartedly will help Taliban to bring down US/NATO as well rather than helping NATO/US for something that brought down USSR long ago, it is like pay back time and in diplomacy & nation interest nothing is permanent yet one has to avail the opportunity. That is a different topic and has nothing to do with Kashmir thing here because that was more as projected to legalize the Indian Military presence in Afghanistan, based upon US idea against China.

Current statements from Modi's sarkar shows desperation against un-expected fire back of Kashmir handling which is also annexed as India denied UNHCR's request to access IoK. On other hand, Modi's statement for GB and Baluchistan has added more weight to Pakistan stance whereby it has been told many times that India is interfering in Pakistan issues. There is always reaction to the action like this statement alone.

UN's archives office/storage is full of those sand coloured files and papers that till today, even after all that India's innocent play, UN and all those onboard nations couldn't take over Kashmir or pressure Pakistan to leave it. There is always a "Why" factor to all those tall claims that the Kashmir issue is only one sided and for the sake of arguments, India is always being innocent etc. If these (media world) claims were true, Kashmir would have been long served to India in a plate but the data, documentation, files in UN offices, statements and letters all are in different position that the contingents of both countries are well aware. if GB & Baluchistan are like what recently once again claimed, don't you think there would have been a doomsday for Pakistan by most Int'l powers but NO because such divergent issue has no weight and substance to prove much and to understand that you can easily compare the same with Sikhs protests in US against India on 15th August. Repeating the narrations available public and media sources are a bit different than the original record & proceedings, otherwise would have been declared a long ago as India. The statement came out yet clashes started and moreover, Modi forgot the invitation of Altaf Hussain to Karachi as well which is surprising or he forget to mention but MQM subject is not credible anymore. When the love was at peaks, the same sectarian clashes and killings were routine in Karachi as well.

Also, Pakistan will happily accept any kind of UNHCR's request, why don't India apply for that because it is not going to favour the situation but by not contacting the concern office and issuing statements, manipulating the diplomacy against the rival is good to divert the attention of Int'l community from real issue. Basically India over rating the moves and we are rightly calculating the same even recently, Pakistan invited India for talks so you can understand who is rating how and India said Kashmir not be discussed. Pakistan can evaluate Iranian tilt towards India for this scene as well, just to give you a clue as factor to think about.

 

[haviZsultan]

Every one knows till when that "unity" lasts.. Shias aren't idiots.. they know too well that it is indian security forces that are guarding them.. the moment they leave, there will be massacre of shias.. their moharram processions are already banned by wahabi's, FYI

Do you remember the gawkedal massacre. When even sikhs who make 15%+ of the army which is occupying Kashmir aren't safe how can the army guarantee protection to the shias. This is a very smart policy by India, keeping shia and sunni divided so they can't demand freedom together.

Shias had a top role in formation of Pakistan. Names like Hassan Jarral are forever known as hero. In Indian controlled parts India has somehow convinced shias to vote BJP which is by far the killer of muslims.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Kashmir: Situation turns grim in Budgam after clashes between two Muslim sects, six houses burnt
Budgam is the only town in Kashmir where Shias are a majority. The riots have triggered a panic. Jammu & Kashmir police have reached the spot to control the situation.
By Indiacom News Desk on August 13, 2016 at 8:08 PM

Srinagar, Aug 13: Amid the ongoing unrest in Kashmir valley following the killing of militant Burhan Wani, trouble seems to have escalated for the security forces as sectarian clashes have been reported from the region of Budgam. Two prominent sects of the Muslim community have clashed with each other leading to stone pelting. Hours later, the community members of one sect target the other by burning down six of their houses. The clash is reportedly underway. Police team have rushed to the spot to control the situation.
The clashes erupted in Beerwah area of Budgam district here during which six houses were set ablaze, police said. The clashes broke out in Wargam village this afternoon following an altercation between two groups of youth while playing cricket, another police official said. He said the members of the rival sects hurled stones at each other and also set ablaze six residential houses. The clashes were going on till reports last came in, he added.
Jammu & Kashmir police have issued a high alert in all sensitive regions of the state. Fortunately, government had blocked internet, mobile, wifi services earlier in the day, which would prevent people from mongering hate against each other on social media. It would also prevent the spread of rumours online, which could’ve further escalated the sectarian tensions.
Kashmir valley, despite being a Muslim dominated region, often witnesses clashes of communal in nature. The two sects of Muslims – Shias and Sunnis are reportedly not on the same board. Often Shias, the minorities are on the receiving end. Shias were once the politically significant community of the state. However, their conditions deteriorated following the increased influence of Pakistan in the socio-political affairs of the state. The impact of middle-eastern Islamic scholars on perception of Sunnis in the Valley have also hurt the prospects of Shias. Since the past six decades, they have been constantly persecuted. Budgam is the only town in Kashmir where Shias are a majority. “The revival of sectarian based politics in Pakistan and Middle East, and the dramatic resurgence of anti-Shia forces there reinforced the fears of the community,” Masroor Ansari, moderate Hurriyat leader was quoted as saying by
Tehelka.
(With PTI inputs)

httpwwwindiacom/news/india/kashmir-situation-turns-grim-in-budgam-after-shia-sunni-clash-six-houses-burnt-1406027/

frustrated india wants to start sunni shia clashes in kashmir by spreading propaganda. they are trying to give impressions that kashmiris are protesting against each other. my question is that was ISIS involved in the clashes or not. if not then please add them too in the news to add more mirchi into it.

 

[Sneaker]

Do you remember the gawkedal massacre. When even sikhs who make 15%+ of the army which is occupying Kashmir aren't safe how can the army guarantee protection to the shias. This is a very smart policy by India, keeping shia and sunni divided so they can't demand freedom together.

Shias had a top role in formation of Pakistan. Names like Hassan Jarral are forever known as hero. In Indian controlled parts India has somehow convinced shias to vote BJP which is by far the killer of muslims.

that doesn't explain why muharram is banned in kashmir valley...