Sharif’s statement on Ahmadis angers clerics

[xenia]

it was reported that some barelvi sunni clerics had brought governments attention to these banners before these attacks n no one listened!
here these jamaatiz are real big fanatics..
i got an sms saying if i say this or this word i ll be comitting SHIRK..n ll be comitting unforgivable sin!this is sucking!
i dunno who gives these stupid fatwas n who r they to decide who ll go to heaven or hell!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

something really is going wrong.....

this is why i say leave politics and religion aside, as Jinnah Saab had wished.


let the people worship whatever/however they want! That is the point of this country; that is why we have our country, and are living with indians.

this is a smear on the name of Pakistan. I dont care who is Muslim or non-Muslim; they are Pakistanis first. Therefore, they must be given protection and the people spreading lies and hatred should be shot.


incidentally, 2 suspects involved in the blasts were arrested today. Drugs were found on their possesion. They are the saviours of Islam?

No sir. Just brainwashed losers.



Kudos to Nawaz Sharif for his statement.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

In India, there are around 30,000 operating madrasahs but they are quite liberal.

You will not believe that Deoband and Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind even invites religious leaders from different religions to interact and give speeches to scholars and followers.

But, petro dollar funded ideology is also reaching here to spread distorted teachings.

actually JUI ''consortium'' does the same --except with Ahmedi.


the whole ''declaring Ahmedy as non-Muslim'' is one of the biggest thing tarnishing this country. I dont give a flying motherfuck if you drink whisky and worship lizards. Be true to yourself, be patriotic, and work (honestly) hard for your family & community. Bring change and progression.


why do i need to waste my time reading about who is and who isnt a Muslim. Thats between man and God. We are a Muslim majority country, but we want it also to be a tolerant and vibrant one.


these fanatics really piss me off, and shame on anybody who sympathizes for them

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Has Nawaz Sharif backed down in front of these hatemongers and retracted or 'clarified' his comments yet?

 

[Hulk]

I am really shocked at the anger against Ahemadis in Pakistan, I would have understood if they did anything and there is an anger. But they were attacked came in to limelight and instead of sympathy for them I am seeing a lot of people hating them on forum. Seems not normal to me. How can that be fair to them.
P.S. I do not know who they are just looking at reactions I am shocked.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

its just an issue of Muslim vs. Non-Muslim created by fanatics who have no real jobs or education

same happened with Sunni fanatics declaring Shiia as enemies of Islam.



fanatics behave in fanatical ways. They dont represent mainstream Pakistanis, most of whom just want to go to work, live life and be happy, and not be bothered by the venom of these misguided mullahs

 

[Meesna]

Agencies blame Punjab for non-cooperation

ISLAMABAD: Officials of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), Military Intelligence (MI) and the Intelligence Bureau (IB) complain that the Punjab government has not been cooperating with them in fighting terrorism.

A senior military officer of a leading intelligence agency claimed that the attitude of the Punjab police has been “of almost non-cooperation” in response to advance information provided by his agency regarding a number of terrorism suspects belonging to banned outfits Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Sipah-e-Sahaba.

On the other hand, the three intelligence agencies have been receiving “excellent cooperation” from the government of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa as well as the administration of the Islamabad Capitol Territory, he added. The official pointed out that as a result of the effective co-ordination between the ISI, MI, IB and the district administration, there has been no major terrorist attack in Islamabad since the Marriott and Police Lines bombings.

There had been many terrorist plans to attack targets in Islamabad, he said, but they had been foiled and the suspects arrested because of the harmonious coordination among all the concerned departments.

“Whenever we provide a lead or a tip to the Khyber-Pakhunkhwa police or the Islamambad police, immediate action is taken. Unfortunately, this is not the case in Punjab,” he said.

To stress his point, the official recalled an incident that took place about one-and-a-half years ago involving the arrest of Major (retired) Haroon on the motorway as he was headed towards Peshawar after having kidnapped an Ahmadi businessman. He said that Major Haroon was also wanted in the assassination of former head of the Special Services Group (SSG) Major-General (retired) Amir Faisal Alvi.

He said that, during interrogation, Major Haroon, himself a former SSG man, revealed that the Taliban had decided to expand their target list, and that the Ahmadis would now also be marked for killings and kidnapping for ransom. He said that this information was provided to the Punjab government but no action was taken by it. He said there had already been some incidents where Ahmadis had been robbed and killed in Faisalabad last year as well as this year. He said, “Now these attacks on Ahmadi places of worship and on Jinnah hospital in Lahore should open the eyes of the Punjab government”.

The official was of the opinion that one reason that the Punjab government has not been interested in taking action against elements linked to the banned Sipah-e-Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi is that it is counting on their vote bank for the next general elections. The account provided by the senior officer was also confirmed by officials of the other two intelligence agencies.

Agencies blame Punjab for non-cooperation – The Express Tribune

 

[mistehbab]

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

You poor souls in army, who subscribe to secularism, especially higher ups. You'v kept us deprived of prosperity. And you'll blame it on MULLAHs whenever you get a chance.

For someone who seem to be educated, you lot surprise me. You'v all gathered to bash MULLAHs.

Do you yourselves have nothing better to do ?

 

[sparklingway]

The above was published as a response to the police complaining that the Intelligence Agencies do not cooperate. Tit for tat from them.

No stopping of terrorists on psychological front

“We are being used as a ‘pick-n-drop’ service to terrorist-suspects. Police usually arrest a terrorist on tip-off of intelligence agencies. The little information we gather during preliminary investigation, it goes to media to justify the arrest. After taking physical remand, the arrested is handed over to those who provided tip-off for further investigation. But after submitting the challan, police find it difficult to substantiate the charges with evidence deemed concrete by the court,” the police officer said adding that it all happens because investigating agencies do not provide complete evidence to police which can land the terrorist in serious legal trouble during the court proceedings and the subsequent judgment.

Another police officer said they do not have any mechanism to gather relevant evidence due to legal and procedural complications.

“Even if police have arrested someone red-handedly, their witness is not acceptable in a court of law. Not only this, we do not have data base on terrorists, neither recording tracking system is available. We are dependent on other security agencies and they provide us with some record at will,” he explained.

 

[sparklingway]

The seminary of the late Dr Sarfaraz Naeemi opposes the view of the mullah bradary. Dr Naeem was killed in an assassination attempt at his seminary's mosque after Friday prayers in an apparent attempt to silence his voice against extremism.

Jamia Naeemia absolves Nawaz of blasphemy

Thursday, June 10, 2010
By Asim Hussain

LAHORE: Though most religious leaders have slammed the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz chief Mian Nawaz Sharif for committing ‘blasphemy’ by calling Ahmedis “our brethren”, Jamia Naeemia Principal Raghib Hussain Naeemi has absolved him of the charge, saying the PML-N head Nawaz Sharif, apparently, committed no blasphemy.

The cleric said the Ulema Board of Jamia Naeemia was reviewing Nawaz Sharif’s reported remarks and would come out with its verdict in a few days.

Addressing a press conference on Wednesday, Raghib Naeemi announced to hold a series of seminars across the country to mark the first death anniversary of his father, Dr Sarfraz Naeemi, the former principal of Jamia Naeemia who was killed in a suicide attack on June 12, 2009.

“Nawaz Sharif’s remarks were too vague to be termed blasphemy and it was very important to know the context of the statement,” he said.

He said the Ulema Board’s opinion would be made public after the Dr Sarfraz Neemi seminar to be held on June 12.

To a question, Raghib Naeemi said the operation against terrorists and militants should be extended to all parts of the country, including the southern Punjab, where terrorists were undergoing training.

“Not to talk of the southern Punjab, there are several places in Lahore where extremist elements are present and involved in terrorist activities,” he said, emphasizing the need to break the network of terrorists completely.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

I was reading what Ahamdis think of Cartoon Controversy and the role they played as they are more resourceful and in touch with people of Denmark.
People who are non bias and have religious knowledge can help me in what they are saying as I do lack in depth religious knowledge.

Freedom of Conscience in Islam: The Cartoon Controversy and Apostasy under Islamic Law

Ahmadiyya Gazette Canada - An Official Publication of Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at Canada

 

[Kompromat]

Has Nawaz Sharif backed down in front of these hatemongers and retracted or 'clarified' his comments yet?

I think he already has when he says: Being Pakistanis Ahmadis are our Brothers.

yes they are , religious debates or concepts would never end and they hadn't any Place in Nawaz's statement but it was dragged in by Mullahs.

Mullah's Interpretation of Nawaz comment:

Qadiyanis are our Muslim brothers.

The statement though problematic has been created by Mullahs themselves.

* I personally condemned the terrorist attack on Ahmadi place of worship from whole of my heart , leaving apart all of the differences that exist.

I stress one more time the issue here is Nationalism not Religion and when it comes to Nationalism be it a Muslim , Ahmadi , Sikh , Hindu , Christian , Parsi all are absolutely equal and no one is better than other just because of their faith.

Regards:

 

[Kompromat]

Maulvi Bradari zindabad. Who says that the 12,000 Madrassas where at least 100,000+ students must me studying aren't being taught Ahmedi-Infidel-hate?

These Mullahs are making me think twice before i think about thinking something.

 

[Meesna]

Even Majlis-e-Ihrar India is threatening to kick him out of fold of Islam unless he retracts his statement;

دائرے کی ایک اور قسم ہے دائرہ ے اسلام ،یہ وہ دائرہ ہے جس میں پہلے لوگوں کو داخل کیا جاتا تھا اب صرف خارج کیا جاتا ہے

-- ابن انشا

 

[Meesna]

English version;

The Shahi Imam of June 9: The Shahi Imam of Indian Punjab, Maulana Habib-ur-Rehman Saani Ludhianvi, has threatened to issue a fatwa (diktat) excommunicating Pakistan’s former Prime Minister Mr Nawaz Sharif from Islam.

This is possibly the first instance where an Indian cleric has threatened to pronounce religious decree against a top Pakistani political leader.

The Imam, who is the national president of the Majlis Ahrar Islam Hind, said Mr Sharif’s recent statements (in the wake of the Lahore mosque bombings) referring to members of the Ahmadiyya Sect as brothers and sisters was completely “unacceptable and must be withdrawn immediately.” Echoing sentiments widely professed amidst the Muslim community, Imam Habib-ur-Rehman insisted all Ahmadiyyas were “heretics” and that “they can never be brothers or sisters to anybody who professes faith in Islam.” He said the former Pakistani Premier “must immediately seek Allah’s pardon,” failing which “a fatwa would be issued excommunicating him.” Notably, Mr Sharif’s comments have also been perceived as “pro-Ahmadiyya” in Pakistan.

Imam calls for fatwa on Nawaz