Shamima Begum, regardless of her new image, remains the UK’s responsibility

F-6 enthusiast · Sep 18, 2021

camelguy said:
Can I just add that there would have never been ISIS if not for the UK and US adventure.

Agreed. None of this woulda happened if Saddam was still here.

21st Century Vampire · Sep 19, 2021

jamahir said:
older generation British Muslims like Tariq Ali

Didn't he claim to be atheist on multiple occasions?

SuperStar20 · Sep 19, 2021

Bilal9 · Sep 19, 2021

SuperStar20 said:
It is high time for muslims, They should stop the sermons in Mosque every friday. In my opinion, that is root cause of all the problem with muslim. If they preach, it should be limited to religion only, not some geo-political issues.
Chinese have done good job in these cases with uygors.

Who asked YOU? Who are you and where do you get the gall to issue proclamations on what Muslims should or should not do?

Shaikhs and religious leaders in Islam are not going to ask a Hindu person like you for suggestions.

SuperStar20 · Sep 19, 2021

Bilal9 said:
Who asked YOU? Who are you and where do you get the gall to issue proclamations on what Muslims should or should not do?

Shaikhs and religious leaders in Islam are not going to ask a Hindu person like you for suggestions.

Well, It is discussion forum, I expressed my opinion. It is upto you take it or not. Hypocrite people like you are problem for your religion. Check the recent laws in France.

Indos · Sep 19, 2021

SuperStar20 said:
It is high time for muslims, They should stop the sermons in Mosque every friday. In my opinion, that is root cause of all the problem with muslim. If they preach, it should be limited to religion only, not some geo-political issues.
Chinese have done good job in these cases with uygors.

In your dream

Muslim is getting more conservative, this is in West Java..... :bunny:

21st Century Vampire · Sep 19, 2021

SuperStar20 said:
In my opinion, that is root cause of all the problem with muslim.

This isn't the 90s, most cases of radicalization in the west happens on the internet...

21st Century Vampire · Sep 19, 2021

SuperStar20 said:
Well, Those who are spreading radicalization through internet are previously radicalized at mosques.

Nah the main source has now shifted, I agree that It was the root cause once but not anymore, take it out througout the world and you'll still find radicalization happening in the west at the same pace

As for solutions, I believe indonesia and malaysia came up with good ideas in the past @Indos

PradoTLC · Sep 19, 2021

Homo Sapiens said:
Shamima Begum, regardless of her new image, remains the UK's responsibility | Gina Vale

She was groomed as a child and has endured trauma – and to say she now ‘looks western’ is an insult to British Muslims, says radicalisation expert Gina Vale

www.theguardian.com

Shamima Begum, regardless of her new image, remains the UK’s responsibility
Gina Vale

She was groomed as a child and has endured trauma – and to say she now ‘looks western’ is an insult to British Muslims

Dr Gina Vale is a senior research fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation

Shamima Begum on ITV’s Good Morning Britain, 15 September. Photograph: ITV/Rex/Shutterstock

Thu 16 Sep 2021 16.10 BST

In her first live interview since joining Islamic State (IS), on ITV’s Good Morning Britain, 22-year-old Shamima Begum made her latest appeal to return to the UK. She is one of over 6,000 minors who became affiliated with IS, but ever since the grainy CCTV pictures emerged of her leaving the UK with two east London schoolmates in 2015, her case has captured international media attention.

Begum’s case first raises the issue of accountability of minors who become radicalised. At first, media reporting described the three girls as being “lured” into IS, comparing their childhood innocence to the monstrosity of their recruiters. The then education secretary, Nicky Morgan, wrote to their school saying, “We hope and pray for the safe return of the pupils”. In the rush to explain the fact that young girls could turn away from their lives in Britain to join a terrorist organisation, the “jihadi bride” narrative took hold – a catch-all phrase that focuses on girls’ romantic motives.

Yet this term is problematic, because it simplifies, sexualises and stereotypes women’s involvement with the group.

Begum claims that her motivation for joining IS was to “get married, have children and live a pure Islamic life”. However, growing research into women and girls’ radicalisation into IS has revealed varied and individualised motivations, including a desire for belonging, purpose, adventure, ideological fulfilment and even a thirst for violence.
In the terror group’s published articles, marriage and child-rearing were painted as women’s “jihad” and primary duty, but this was not the limit of their activism. Women adopted roles as teachers, doctors, bureaucrats and even frontline combatants and officers in IS’s infamous “morality police”. From innocent schoolgirls to “monsters”, these women are now viewed as a credible security threat.

However, IS’s strict, anonymising female dress code has left little evidence of individual women’s activities within the group’s territory. In her interview, Begum asserts: “I did not do anything in Isis apart from be a mother and a wife … the government don’t actually have anything on me.”

Begum is now demanding the opportunity to prove her innocence and has renounced her support for IS. For some, this notably includes her “new look”. When she appeared without her hijab and abaya, her interviewers on Good Morning Britain questioned her need to “look western” in an attempt to reflect an internal transformation.

There are two troubling assumptions here. First: whether or not her change in appearance is a public relations stunt, Islamic dress should never be construed as a marker or measure of radicalism. While IS mandated that all women within its territory should wear the full burqa, this does not, in any way, mean that all women who choose to wear the burqa are aligned with IS or support other extremist groups. These garments are items of religious dress, not an IS uniform.

Second, this comment normalises a “western” appearance as being without a hijab or other signifier of Islamic faith. It reinforces the discriminatory sentiment that Muslim women do not belong in western – or here, British – society. The social media accounts of young women and girls who joined IS consistently speak of a lack of acceptance, discrimination and overt Islamophobia as reasons for joining the group. Biases in our society that connect radicalisation and physical appearance are easily exploited by extremist recruiters.

In April 2019, IS lost control of its final enclave in Syria, pushing formerly affiliated women and children into secure camps. According to latest estimates, the largest of these, al-Hol, is home to over 65,000 women and children, with almost 10,000 foreign nationals housed in a high-security annex. Overcrowding, poor sanitation and limited access to healthcare have resulted in high infant mortality rates.

All three of Begum’s children are now deceased. Her youngest, Jarrah, died shortly after her arrival at al-Hol. She describes the shoestring medical facilities leaving her feeling that there was “nothing [she] could do to help him”. Whatever one thinks about Begum, the loss of these children is a tragedy. Born into these circumstances, they have paid the highest price for the choices of their parents. But while the death of baby Jarrah can be attributed in part to Begum’s travel to a warzone, it also could have been avoided if he (and his mother) had been allowed to return to Britain.

The UK government’s decision to strip Begum of her British citizenship (asserting that she has claim to Bangladeshi citizenship through her heritage) has sparked controversy. The 1981 British Nationality Act stipulates that a British-born individual cannot be deprived or stripped of their citizenship if they would be rendered stateless. In effect, this means that citizenship deprivation can only be deployed against the children of migrant parents or children of dual nationals, resulting in what some analysts have highlighted as a discriminatory “two-tiered system”.

Travel to Bangladesh, whether possible or not, should not be part of the debate. Begum is/was British. She was born in England and left Britain to join IS. Her actions have consequences that are the UK’s responsibility. Leaving her (and others) in makeshift detention centres only increases the strain on already over-burdened Kurdish authorities, the evidence of which is clear from recent jail-breaks and smuggling campaigns.

Begum has once again become a “poster girl”, this time for demonised former IS-affiliated women. Irrespective of states’ decisions to repatriate or prosecute their citizens, it is clear that many women like Begum have endured psychological and physical trauma during childhood and early adulthood. Their cases should be managed sensitively. Sensationalist questioning and stereotyping by media and politicians will hinder prospects for rehabilitation, feed into discriminatory and Islamophobic narratives, and even potentially reignite support for extremism.

Dr Gina Vale is a senior research fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation, King’s College London

so glad junk like her are in UK

Saddam Hussein · Sep 19, 2021

PradoTLC said:
so glad junk like her are in UK

Kinda not her fault

It's her environment. UK lets people like Anjem Choudhury spread terrorism.

PradoTLC · Sep 19, 2021

camelguy said:
Kinda not her fault

It's her environment. UK lets people like Anjem Choudhury spread terrorism.

more like her parents..

not instilling values ..

you dont spit on the hand that feeds you.

SuperStar20 said:
It is high time for muslims, They should stop the sermons in Mosque every friday. In my opinion, that is root cause of all the problem with muslim

Really?.. stop? why?

do you know what is being said?...

watch for your education

SuperStar20 said:
Chinese have done good job in these cases with uygors.

They also have done a great job against Indian infantry.

All quiet now... good no?

PradoTLC · Sep 19, 2021

SuperStar20 said:
not some geo-political issues.

Agree .. like RSS hindu preaching like the following

Samurai_assassin · Sep 19, 2021

UKBengali said:
Thank you for saying it as it is.

People forget that Shamima was a 15 year old minor when she left for Syria after having been brainwashed by ISIS online.

I was watching a TV programme the other day and most white people over on it think this is unjust and recognise that it is the UK's and not BD's responsibility.

Bring her back to the UK and then face trial for any crimes that she may have committed while in Syria.

BD has nothing to do with her or her actions. When the 4 British London bombers of 2005 (3 of whom were of Pakistani heritage) committed the terrorist act, Pakistan was immediately blamed.
Why? All 3 were born and raised in north of England and the ring leader was married to a British indian muslim. The British media needed someone to blame and it fit their narrative to blame a far distant land.

SuperStar20 · Sep 20, 2021

PradoTLC said:
Agree .. like RSS hindu preaching like the following

You can go to any temple small or big in village or cities, you don't see any preaching about geo politices. No one gets violent after praying in temple on Monday or Satuarday or any weekday. That credit goes to only muslims, I have seen police in RIOT gear in front of mosque on fridays.

PradoTLC · Sep 20, 2021

SuperStar20 said:
You can go to any temple small or big in village or cities, you don't see any preaching about geo politices. No one gets violent after praying in temple on Monday or Satuarday or any weekday. That credit goes to only muslims, I have seen police in RIOT gear in front of mosque on fridays.

yes... my bad

you have your entire leadership and ordinary minions spewing hate 247... whether in toliets or hindu temples... although i some times find hard to see the difference.