Sex slaves sold in the name of religion

[Roybot]

No I wouldnt, it would certainly involve something with technology, astronaut maybe?

You are over complicating things Roy and going off topic, money is a subjective and personal factor. Physically forcing somebody in submission is another story.

Its like this, if I bet you $100 to eat rotten apple and you do it, thats free will, if I force that rotten apple down your throat then thats not free will.

Maybe I am over complicating the issue or maybe we have gotten used to over simplifying the issues to feel righteous about our society?

Let me expand on your analogy. Say am desperate for some money, really need 100 bucks, you tell me that if I eat this rotten apple you ll give me 100 bucks. I decide to eat the rotten apple because i really needed that money, so would you consider it free will? Isn't it just as bad as being forced to eat a rotten apple?

Point is that women get into prostitution out of desperation, its desperation which is forcing them to do it instead of someone physically forcing them to. I personally would never see it as free will.

Anyways this is sorta off topic now, lets just agree to disagree.

 

[lem34]

The ILO [International Labour Organization] report admits that most women 'choose' prostitution for economic reasons. Surely no one can argue that this is free choice any more than the cattle in the squeeze chute choose to go to their death.

July 1999 - Diane Post, JD

 

[notsuperstitious]

Prostitution is everywhere, in our part of the world it runs in families. Hence those girls are being sold those stories by the mothers.

Even thugs used to to use religion to justify their acts. Thugs are gone but robbery is alive, maybe the jogini nonsense can be stopped but prostitution will stay.

Looks like the good doctor being interviewed is some kind of evangelical nutjob making sweeping statements like 'dalits have few rights' - WTF does that mean? What rights they don't have kindly elaborate. Or making that questionable claim 'its mostly dalits who become joginis' - but dalits are untouchables - whats the point of an untouchable prostitute???

The real issue is not of prostitutes but of fair working environment for prostitutes. Noone has even been able to stop prostitution and it will not stop. The real issue is of protection of working rights of prostitutes, and that issue will be abused if left in hands of rabid soul harvesters (or rabid trolls).

 

[lem34]

But India some people are institutionalising it all with myths and stories that it is part of religion. Is it??

Once upon a time there was a woman who was the wife of a great Hindu sage. The sage and his wife had taken a vow of celibacy. One day she was at the river and she saw two sprites “frolicking” with each other. She wished that she and her husband could be sexually free too. The husband sensed her sexual desires and was so angry he ordered her to be beheaded. However, the sage bitterly regretted the decision, so he tried to fix it. He found the head of another woman from the lowest caste, and attached this to his wife’s body. She was resurrected, but instead of staying with her husband, she roamed by the river, a liberated, sexually free woman, like the sprites. She became the goddess “Yellama” and lived happily ever after.

This is the story told to some of the young girls in Southern India, in the region of Andhra Pradesh, where Yellamma is the patron goddess. At the age of between five and ten they are dedicated to the goddess in a special marriage ceremony, where they are given pretty clothes, strewn with petals, offered gifts and then forced to become sex slaves.

I am assuming this is a fraud yea??

 

[lem34]

The dalits are not a tiny minority. I think all too often the dalit issue whether it is as sex slaves or discrimination is brushed under the carpet. We all know it is wrong and simply telling me it happens elsewhere is simply wrong. Start a thread about Christians or Muslims by all means and I will participate-now tell me is this story based in any scriptures or is it fraud. If it is fraud and made up the perpetrators must be punished

 

[Abingdonboy]

The dalits are not a tiny minority

No they're not but this practice is not committed by the Dalit community as a whole, purely a tiny group of fools.

 

[lem34]

And before you label India as Hindu not India is a secular nation (by law) and not a religious state.



+note, I am NOT Hindu.

It matters not to me what you are that is a matter for you. Now I have already stated that I do not believe that you can legislate these issues away. The Indian constitution on paper is and may be described as secular but we all know that is not what happens.

 

[SHAHED]

in western culture every thing is ok!

sex slave,p*rnografy,.....

if this means freedom ... no thanks

 

[lem34]

No they're not but this practice is not committed by the Dalit community as a whole, purely a tiny group of fools.

The seventh para of the OP stated:

The young girls usually come from the lowest caste, the Dalits (‘untouchables&#8217. Dalits have few rights and the majority live in extreme poverty. The practice of selling their children as Jogini is said to bring good luck to the families and they are also given a very small percentage of the money made from the sale of the child.

 

[fallstuff]

Why not a high caste girl is married off to this great cause ?

How these girls are bearing children, considering they are not virgin births.

Who is using them for sex ?

 

[lem34]

Why not a high caste girl is married off to this great cause ?

How these girls are bearing children, considering they are not virgin births.

Who is using them for sex ?

I think whoever is encouraging this or ignoring is complicit and must be punished instead we as a society punish these victims by looking down at these

 

[lem34]

Did anyone said condition of women in India is worst then Pakistan or obliged to that??????????

Dont wanna go though the crap of 4 pages so cut the crap and please someone tell me.....
In the mean time let me prepare my Bazooka...

What is the matter with you. We are exposing human suffering that dalits are undergoing and you want to ignore that pain by fighting and trolling??

If you want to talk about improving women rights for Pakistani women by all means create another thread and we will discuss it there.

 

[jayron]

I am not sure if Devadasi and jogini are the same. But devadasis belong to upper caste. Any way, this is a disgusting practice and its shameful it still exists.

Aryan B, if you want the argument to be fair, we have to compare Hinduism's sex slavery with islam,s institutionalized sex slavery. It won't be very pretty. Large scale human trafficking and slavery in the subcontinent started after the arrival of islam.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Did anyone said condition of women in India is worst then Pakistan or obliged to that??????????

Dont wanna go though the crap of 4 pages so cut the crap and please someone tell me.....
In the mean time let me prepare my Bazooka...

Read the bold part, and don't bring Pakistan into this. This thread is about India you ignorants

 

[divya]

Read the bold part, and don't bring Pakistan into this. This thread is about India you ignorants

Thats a classic case of glass half full or half empty.

Yeah right i was also sold when i was 5 aint it? its just i havent realized and revelation would come when i would be say 40? how do i know? because some pakistani farted..... And for those who think women are killed as they are born i am writing this stuff straight from graveyard.........

I guess generalizing whole of a country and the wrongs done to few women and clouting whole womenhood of nation under the same belt aint justified.

Secondly yes the practise exists no doubt in some of the rural parts of India. if it didint we would be the prefect state and there would have been no need for improvement. but we arent prefect but doesnt stop us to move towards perfection. actions need to be taken.

Thirdly as far as the condition of women goes no we do not move on roads in tent hourses, we can do our jobs, we are equal by law unlike islamic nations where women have half bred humans.