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Seven US 'CIA agents' killed in Afghanistan bomb attack

CIA is an advocate of devil, they got so much blood on their hands.

Praying for invaders so they can rape, plunder and bomb people of Afghanistan dosn't makes sense.

When you walk into someone's house, get expect to shot.

If you read my post in its entirety i said then i dont agree with what they were doing but as a human being i do feel for their families. We need to recognize each others humanity or we are no different then animals or the taliban or AQ
 
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CIA killed by Taliban:

I read in the newspaper today that TTP is accepting the responsibility of this attack in Khost.

If this is true then it ain't a difficult question to comment on!

Devils being killed be Devils.....

KIT Over
 
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Damn whos gonna date the their girlfriends now?All the dudes they were dating are getting killed in Afghanistan fighting War on Terror...:lol:

That is also one reason MO not in favour to deal with US army to stay in AFGHANISTAN .

In Islam dating is not allowed but for ISAF dating is officially allowed , war of Afghanistan is war of two opposite idealogies ,culture, values.
 
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"Americans for all their bickering about the deals Pakistan made with militants to squeeze out some advantage or the other, have been consorting with no less amount of Talibanis, only they don't come out and say it."

Asim, this deserves substantially more than simply an assertion by you. We didn't recognize their government. We've not valued their presence in any future government. Have you looked closely at what Hekmatyar was offered by the Afghan government?

His underlings could do what's available now-amnesty in return for disarming and swearing allegiance to the Afghan constitution. He would go in exile before returning to Afghanistan to pursue what ever political role he could carve out for himself.

No different, it would seem, than what Dostum has found for himself and by the hand of the afghan government. Not us.

Don't try to equate our peeling away wavering fighters from your consorting with the taliban as proxies for geo-strategic advantage by providing sanctuary. There's no equivalency. Your "inaction", as A.M. calls it, is a political decision by your government to preserve these men as a force in being and you do so at cost to forty other nations in Afghanistan as well as the citizens of that land.

It's plainly wrong.

Thanks.:usflag:
 
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Asim, this deserves substantially more than simply an assertion by you. We didn't recognize their government. We've not valued their presence in any future government. Have you looked closely at what Hekmatyar was offered by the Afghan government?
Why would you recognize their government? They weren't a benefit to you. However the druglords, rapists, and warlords of the Karzai government are a benefit to you and while there are some pockets of criticism heard from America now and then you do recognize them.

So each one of us did something for our benefit, my problem was with this whole holier than thou BS we have to put up with.

His underlings could do what's available now-amnesty in return for disarming and swearing allegiance to the Afghan constitution. He would go in exile before returning to Afghanistan to pursue what ever political role he could carve out for himself.

About Hekmatyar, everybody expects the "exile" clause to be wavered and is just a negotiating tactic. Moreover I don't know what real value does it even have once you grant them TERRITORY. Pakistan made the same mistake in Swat and it all lasted what 2 weeks? You don't give territory to Taliban.

No different, it would seem, than what Dostum has found for himself and by the hand of the afghan government. Not us
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The "Not us" part is something no one really believes. The puppets follow the puppeteer. I know America has done well to maintain plausible deniablity, but this is not a court of law and people can always go "booooo"

Don't try to equate our peeling away wavering fighters from your consorting with the taliban as proxies for geo-strategic advantage by providing sanctuary. There's no equivalency. Your "inaction", as A.M. calls it, is a political decision by your government to preserve these men as a force in being and you do so at cost to forty other nations in Afghanistan as well as the citizens of that land.

I make no apologies in the use of underhanded tactics. Afghanistan is a playground for India and Pakistan. As long as India has the full support (and now we are routinely arresting and televising arrested Indians who are confessing to have been trained and funded by RAW) of American forces to support the TTP, we are going to go after the TTP first.

America hasn't made it easy for us to take on the Haqqani network, going after them right now is like shooting yourself on the foot. Why kill those that aren't killing you? While there are people who actually ARE killing you.

Once you leave an anti-Pakistan government would open doors to Indian armed forces in Afghanistan. When that happens we'll be getting bombed from both sides in the event of war. Whenever that happens, we need allies in Afghanistan that can take over Afghanistan to prevent a doomsday scenario for Pakistan.

It's plainly wrong.
Your 40 nations aren't more valuable than Pakistan. Honestly help hostilities against Pakistan and let a true democratic government come up in Afghanistan and allow Pakistan to monitor activities of Indian firms and consulates and we'll play ball. Otherwise if not Haqqani there'll be some other group we'll support that can topple this government down. You can't do anything about it. Its a question of Pakistan's survival.
 
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s2..Certainly keep using PREDATOR and maybe expand it into new regions. That'll work for now. What are you going to do about that?

how idiotic was expecting such an answer...first find out who did that your exotic mullahs claimed they did it investigate it than come back to the table to discuss what you'll do..
 
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If suburbs are where you harbor our enemies, sure. Your resistance, should it become open, will likely lead to a complete break of relations between Pakistan and America. I presume that'll include ISAF and the U.N. as well.

All the sanctuaries are in North waziristan . Now if someone shouting out loud that there are sancturies in the bigger cities like Quetta and Peshawar and portrays a will to use predetor in those areas than theres a threat . Pakistan has made it clear that how they'l operate in their domain . No Predetor strike will be allowed in those areas . Based upon your logik if you deem to persue your enemies in our urnban areas then Pakistan has the right to persue its enemies which are harboured in ISAF controlled Afghanistan through any means.
I urge the americans to sanctionise Pakistan for not letting them to expand the predetor strikes deep inside Pakistan . Then you guys be better prepared for what will follow. That even Means No Pakistani cooperation in a face saving Exit or From Afghanistan or the any kind of mid role in the negotiations btw America and Taliban .

Were there no sanctuaries on your ungoverned lands and no agreements between you and men like Haqqani, PREDATOR wouldn't be necessary nor justified.

It requires a troop strength of two Corps to go after Haqqani network . Even then the success is not guaranteed Plus wat abt the civilian population which would get affected by the onslaught of the operation . PA cant even think of dispatching troops of that size just to go after Haqqani who dosent poses threat to state as long as our adventurous neighbor in the east is continuously portraying a far more greater threat.
 
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"Why would you recognize their government? They weren't a benefit to you."

No. That is correct. The Taliban government of Afghanistan was no benefit to any nation on earth save the KSA, UAE, and yourselves.

Consider that fact closely.

"However the druglords, rapists, and warlords of the Karzai government are a benefit to you and while there are some pockets of criticism heard from America now and then you do recognize them."

As they are to virtually every country on the globe including the forty nations now there in support of the U.N. mandate and even your ally, the PRC.

As they also are to the Government of Pakistan who also recognizes the GoA and has formal relations with the present government of Afghanistan-while duplicitously supporting the deposed regime.

As to the snide "druglords, rapists, and warlords" part, what makes you think the taliban are any better? Everybody knows the bald facts of opium under their regime and opium now in the areas that they control like southern Helmand. They've been knee-deep in dope and still are. In point of fact, there are no bigger druglords, warlords, and rapists than they. Sheer and pathetic equivocation.

Let us be clear-while waging their war against the foreign "oppressors" behind the U.N. mandate, the afghan taliban manage to kill afghan civilians by a rate of 2:1 against those fire-power crazed westerners. They target these people and they use them for human shields.

"I don't know what real value does it even have once you grant them TERRITORY. Pakistan made the same mistake in Swat and it all lasted what 2 weeks? You don't give territory to Taliban."

What territory? The U.S. government has no authority to "grant" the taliban any lands belonging to another sovereign nation. Hekmatyar has an offer to be rehabilitated in KSA and re-enter the afghan political mainstream. That's it and it isn't an immediate thing nor is it likely that he'll accept...

...yet.

He's a card-player and remains on the outside looking in with the cozy thingy Omar and Haqqani have with your boys.

"The "Not us" part is something no one really believes. The puppets follow the puppeteer."

Agreed. Our puppet carries the endorsement of forty nations and ourselves along with a U.N. mandate to make things there better. Your taliban puppets have no cachet of moral and legal authority behind them and represent a demonstrated threat to mankind.

"I know America has done well to maintain plausible deniablity, but this is not a court of law and people can always go 'booooo'"

Deny what? That we are involved in an enterprise with the rest of mankind to raise forth the afghan state? This was a monstrously huge effort to achieve even without an externally-directed insurgency. There's no denying that we're extending every effort to make an afghan government that can respond to the needs of its people. Given the endemic issues, the prospects have always been difficult.

Don't be so holier-than-thou from across the Durand Line. Pakistan experiences many of the same difficult issues to raise forth FATA and NWFP even were it not also dealing with an insurgency. This swath of land is a hugely impoverished region that is, for the first time, in the global spotlight and positioned to benefit from such were it not for this proxy war.

"I make no apologies in the use of underhanded tactics."

You should. Your "underhanded tactics" are killing the afghan people and the soldiers of ISAF.

"Afghanistan is a playground for India and Pakistan."

This is a cynical description of the misery experienced by the afghans at your amusement's expense. Your "underhanded tactics" are a direct function of, and clear reflection that Pakistan cannot compete with India for Afghanistan's favor on the accepted planes of competition, i.e. diplomacy and economics. Thus you've resorted to proxy war via your pashtu vehicle.

That pashtu vehicle was your second mistake. In short-sightedly seeking to appease your own tribal pashtus, you have ignored and rejected any opportunity to build meaningful rapport throughout ALL of Afghanistan. In short, you've made enemies of the Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkomen, and Hazara that comprise the bare majority of Afghans.

Not smart as it's left you riding your pashtu vehicle in the only manner you can-war. Why war? Because your favored pashtus won't even participate in a democracy. Ask Omar if you don't believe.

Underhanded tactics indeed. India has established a SUPERB reputation among both afghans and foreign governments in Afghanistan. They aren't up to jack-sh!t and don't have to be. You guys make them look like gold just building roads.

This is not missed among the afghans.

"As long as India has the full support (and now we are routinely arresting and televising arrested Indians who are confessing to have been trained and funded by RAW) of American forces to support the TTP, we are going to go after the TTP first."

Nasty. Neither is India engaged with the TTP from anything tangible other than your spurious claims but they WOULDN'T have the support of American forces were it so.

I remain continually fascinated by the desperate ignorance of Pakistanis about all the other nations whom are dying at the hands of Pakistan's choices. You only mention America. Do you suppose that others do not care? Do you suppose that others would not report the Indians were they to see something? Do you suppose that all those media that freely run about Afghanistan but can't in Pakistan would keep their mouths shut to such a huge story? The NGOs that are there-none have a word to say about Indian duplicity.

Where is this proof from sources we can trust further than the interrogation cells of the Pakistani intelligence services? Your T.V. interviews are all meant for internal consumption.

The Indians are soooo far ahead of you in your playground. They build roads. You make war with "underhanded tactics". The Indians are playing by the accepted rules and winning. You wish to change the game as you won't accept the playing field the rest of us recognize as appropriate-economy and diplomacy.

"Once you leave an anti-Pakistan government would open doors to Indian armed forces in Afghanistan."

Self-fulfilling prophecy that is the result of your own short-sightedness should it come to pass. You make war upon the GoA. What do you expect?:hitwall:

"When that happens we'll be getting bombed from both sides in the event of war."

You are making war now against my nation and others with proxy armies. This will eventually lead to a very bad end for Pakistan if it persists and India may well be the least of your concerns.

"Whenever that happens, we need allies in Afghanistan that can take over Afghanistan to prevent a doomsday scenario for Pakistan."

Pakistan will never have an Afghan taliban government in power again that won't lead to Pakistan's destruction in one form or fashion. Your "allies" will turn on you. The afghan taliban see no difference between their ambitions for Afghanistan and the TTPs ambitions for Pakistan and will assist them. They will also assist A.Q.

They won't be the only allies whom turn on Pakistan either.

I do not believe that Afghanistan can be stabilized successfully so long as Pakistan supports the taliban with protected sanctuary. Our choices are to admit defeat to your strategy and withdraw or recognize that your intent and ours are diametrically opposed and make open war upon you as final resolution to an intractable dilemma-loggerheads, if you will.

If we withdraw, we will be vulnerable-as will Pakistan, to the instability wrought from an afghan taliban regime again in power along with the A.Q. associates. Once attacked again from this region, I can't imagine that we'll repeat the same process.

You can draw your own conclusions but it doesn't look promising either way for Pakistan.

Thanks.:usflag:
 
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America hasn't made it easy for us to take on the Haqqani network, going after them right now is like shooting yourself on the foot. Why kill those that aren't killing you? While there are people who actually ARE killing you.

Once you leave an anti-Pakistan government would open doors to Indian armed forces in Afghanistan. When that happens we'll be getting bombed from both sides in the event of war. Whenever that happens, we need allies in Afghanistan that can take over Afghanistan to prevent a doomsday scenario for Pakistan.

Your 40 nations aren't more valuable than Pakistan. Honestly help hostilities against Pakistan and let a true democratic government come up in Afghanistan and allow Pakistan to monitor activities of Indian firms and consulates and we'll play ball. Otherwise if not Haqqani there'll be some other group we'll support that can topple this government down. You can't do anything about it. Its a question of Pakistan's survival.

Awesomely narrated . Fully agreed .
 
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'Killing of CIA agents reaction of drone strikes'

Published: January 05, 2010

NEW YORK - A senior commander, connected to the Afghan Taliban and involved with the attack against the US Central Intelligence Agency that left eight people dead, says the bombing was retaliation for US drone strikes in the Pak-Afghan border region. “We attacked this base because the team there was organising drone strikes in Loya Paktia and surrounding area,” the commander, who was not named, was quoted as saying in a dispatch from Kabul published in The Wall Street Journal Monday. He was referring to the area around Khost, the city where the US facility was attacked on Dec 30.

The suicide attack killed a woman who was the station chief along with six other CIA officers and one private-security contractor. “We attacked on that particular day because we knew the woman who was leading the team” was there, the commander said. The claims couldn’t be independently verified by Sunday and an effort to contact the CIA over the weekend for comment wasn’t successful, the Journal said.

Both the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban have claimed responsibility for the attacks, the newspaper noted. In the past, the Pakistani Taliban have claimed responsibility for attacks and Western officials have rejected those claims.

Some drone strikes had been coordinated from Forward Operating Base Chapman, Western officials said. The strikes were to target senior leaders of Al-Qaeda, the Pakistani Taliban and an Afghan group called the Haqqani Network. The CIA operatives located at Chapman, near the Pakistani border, were involved in cultivating informants to target insurgent leaders using ground raids and drone strikes.
A number of leaders of these three groups have been killed by the strikes, which mostly occur on the Pakistani side of the border, according to the newspaper. Al-Qaeda and the leadership of the Haqqani Network are believed to have bases in this area, it claimed. The strikes have caused anger in the tribal border areas, stemming from claims that civilians also have been killed.

'Killing of CIA agents reaction of drone strikes' | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online
 
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Jordanian double agent killed CIA officers: report

By Washington correspondent Kim Landers

The suicide bomber who killed seven CIA officers in Afghanistan last week has been identified as an Al Qaeda double agent from Jordan.

The bomber has been identified as a Jordanian doctor who had been working undercover in eastern Afghanistan for weeks and had given the CIA what is described as "actionable intelligence".

He was invited to the CIA camp after promising new information about Al Qaeda's top leadership.

US media is reporting that the man was an Al Qaeda sympathiser who had been arrested more than a year ago by Jordanian intelligence.

He was thought to have then been persuaded to support US and Jordanian efforts against the terrorist group.

Jordanian double agent killed CIA officers: report - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
 
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It looks like it was a great op. The Jordanian doctor sounds like an interesting guy. I find it interesting that he was known by Jordanian intelligence and the C.I.A. but they felt confident that he'd been turned.

Either he never had actually been turned or was caught and compelled to do a one-way trip to save family or some other coercion. Seems, in some respects, too valuable for this mission for a myriad of reasons.

Then again, it took some cachet of credibility to penetrate into the midst of some serious intelligence players.

It'll make the C.I.A. and others more careful about recruitment. They'll re-evaluate the previous "actionable" intelligence that this man had offered up for clues. No doubt physical security may be improved but isolation often comes with it. That falls back to recruitment.

As those measures are implemented, they may actually constrict the flow of intell we receive. While I've little doubt we receive and use Pakistani intelligence at every opportunity, I also expect we do our best to develop networks (such as here) so we can validate and/or produce additional data. Without a recruited network throughout the area, that's very difficult.
 
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^^^^ Anyway you look at it it was a "win" for al Qaeda. I doubt there are very many like this Jordanian doctor that can be recruited, but, then again, we had Nidal Hasan in our own camp. Think of what he could have done had he waited until he deployed and worked a bit at fitting in. Probably could have taken out Karsai himself with Hillary Clinton to boot! The asymmetry of this fight has always been and continues to be a problem for us. Our guys aren't willing to carry 8 pounds of C-4 in their jockstraps and blow themselves up.
 
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O.K.

I wasn't clear until now but this guy obviously wasn't wearing an ANA officer's uniform if he'd been in Pakistan ostensibly working as an espionage agent against/for A.Q.

Both the C.I.A. and Jordan knew that this guy had been previously arrested. Jordan probably released him thinking they'd turned the guy and the C.I.A. bought into it.

We'll never know if he, in turn, got caught by A.Q. and flipped or if he was always working for A.Q. as a double agent.

The guy had a hell of a story to tell I bet.
 
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You are making war now against my nation and others with proxy armies. This will eventually lead to a very bad end for Pakistan if it persists and India may well be the least of your concerns.

This is what they don't seem to understand. If ISI continue to support Afgan Taliban then the 40 nations can easily realise the dream of "Greater Pashtunistan" which KGB was unable to do. The US need not have a direct war with Pak, Baluch & TTP are enough for that. Even at $2 billion per year the dream is easy to realise where as $30 billion will be spend on 30,000 more troops. And with no US casualties.
 
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