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Serbians now are planning new Balkans wars by doubling their defense budget and making irredentist claims against their neighbors. We may see new regional wars, ethnic cleansing and genocides in the Balkans. Serbian Interior Minister Aleksandar Vulin wants to be next Slobodan Milosevic by starting war of Serbian expansion.


Serbian World — a dangerous idea?
July 27, 2021
Nikola Đorđević
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Serbian Interior Minister Aleksandar Vulin has courted controversy with several statements about the so-called Serbian World, an idea that Serbs living in the Western Balkans should be part of the same political sphere.
What exactly is that Serbian World, and how does it fit into the political landscape of the Western Balkans, that is becoming increasingly strained by the continued failure of the Belgrade-Prishtina dialogue and by renewed calls for Republika Srpska to separate from Bosnia and Herzegovina?
According to Vulin, and the remarks he made during a rally of his Movement of Socialists (Pokret Socijalista), the task of the current political generation is to create that Serbian World which would unify all Serbs, no matter where they live.
Raising eyebrows
It’s not the first time Vulin has made such statements. Back in April, the interior minister seemed puzzled as to why the borders in the Balkans are unchangeable and why the Serbian national question couldn’t be solved by unifying all Serbs in a single state. Vulin has also compared the example of the peaceful unification of Germany with what Serbia could eventually do.
Harsh reactions from the region followed Vulin’s most recent statements. In Bosnia and Herzegovina, Foreign Minister Bisera Turković called for Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić to disassociate himself from Vulin’s ideas, saying that if he does not do that, he would confirm that Serbia’s policy is to topple the Dayton Peace Accords and to annex parts of Bosnia to Serbia.
From Kosovo, President Vjosa Osmani said Vulin is known for his “ultranationalist” beliefs and compared the idea of the Serbian World to that of Greater Serbia.
Greater Serbia is an irredentist political ideology that seeks to create a Serbs state that would unify all parts of Western Balkans that have been of historical significance to Serbia. For many historians and analysts, the ideology of Greater Serbia is one of the main causes of the breakup of Yugoslavia and the civil wars that happened between 1991 and 1999.
“The idea why a narrative of a Serbian World or a Greater Serbia is considered disturbing and a threat to stability and peace is because it has to do with the same narrative and concrete actions which were undertaken during the 1990s in the bloody wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo,” says Jeta Krasniqi of the Kosovo Democratic Institute. “It is a narrative that goes against peace and stability in the region and against respect for borders of the Western Balkans states.”
Emulating global powers?
However, Srđan Cvijić, Senior Policy Analyst at the Open Society European Policy Institute, says that the Serbian World is hardly a serious political project and is messaging meant to consume the ruling party votes (the Movement of Socialists is a part of the SNS-led coalition).
“For SNS [the Serbian Progressive Party] it’s important to simultaneously maintain their traditional voter body, the ex-radicals [SNS was formed via a split from the Vojislav Šešelj-led Radical Party in 2008] and the silent majority. When they are speaking of the Serbian World and in general when radical nationalism is flowing from their messaging, then they are speaking to the former,” he tells Emerging Europe.
“For the latter, there is a more moderate discourse. In that way, their policies are reminiscent of a tightrope walk,” he adds.
That there are more discourses going on at the same time was evidenced by Vučić’s own remarks when he was asked by foreign officials to distance himself from Vulin’s statements. He said that Serbia’s borders are inviolable and that official Belgrade is “not concerned” with the borders of others.

“The Serbian World idea looks like an attempt to imitate what more powerful states have been able to do, to mark off a part of the world as their ‘sphere of interest’ and declare that they have the principal role in directing policy in that region,” notes Eric Gordy, professor at the UCL School of Slavonic and East European Studies.
The Serbian World idea may never become an official state policy. Still, analysts do warn of the dangers of such remarks and the threat they pose to regional cooperation and stability.
“The rhetoric that creates additional tension and division in an already tense situation in the region ahead of the finalisation of the Belgrade-Prishtina dialogue, does not contribute to creating lasting peace and long-term stability,” says Zijad Bećirović, director of the Ljubljana-based International Institute for Middle Eastern and Balkan Studies (IFIMES).
The Kosovo Democratic Institute’s Krasniqi agrees that the idea of the Serbian World is politically dangerous.
“It is a narrative that goes against peace and stability in the region and against respect for borders of the Western Balkans states. This rhetoric is dangerous, and it should be condemned by all international actors who aim to push for peace, stability and reconciliation in the region,” she tells Emerging Europe.
Too infirm to rise?
When it comes to Serbia-led initiatives in recent years, none has been quite as prominent as the idea of the Mini-Schengen, a planned economic zone connecting the six Western Balkan nations. Could talks of redrawing borders, expressed in the few phantom non-papers, and through the Serbian World idea jeopardise it?
Bećirović believes that for Mini-Schengen to work, the tensions in the region need to die down.
“Mini-Schengen is a project that should ensure long-term prosperity and for its realisation, it is necessary to pacify the situation in the region,” he explains.
Mini-Schengen also remains Serbia’s best chance to be an actual regional leader.
“Since the end of the colonial period, only a few states have succeeded in projecting this [sphere of interest] claim — the United States, Russia, and more recently China. Given the limits on its power and the ways in which it is challenged, Serbia is not likely to get far in asserting this kind of authority,” he concludes.




 
I don't see how they can acheive their goals as long as the EU and the US are present in the balkans.
 
I don't see how they can acheive their goals as long as the EU and the US are present in the balkans.
It ain't easy but not impossible, they do have Russian support I suppose, and perhaps more.
 
Muslim countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia are getting overcrowded with very less opportunities for poor people. There is so much corruption in Muslim countries. Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo has less population and lots of resources. These countries need to open immigration to Muslims from other countries.
 
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Serbians now are planning new Balkans wars by doubling their defense budget and making irredentist claims against their neighbors. We may see new regional wars, ethnic cleansing and genocides in the Balkans. Serbian Interior Minister Aleksandar Vulin wants to be next Slobodan Milosevic by starting war of Serbian expansion.


Serbian World — a dangerous idea?
July 27, 2021
Nikola Đorđević
bigstock-d-rendering-of-the-national-f-379932712-990x556.jpg


Serbian Interior Minister Aleksandar Vulin has courted controversy with several statements about the so-called Serbian World, an idea that Serbs living in the Western Balkans should be part of the same political sphere.
What exactly is that Serbian World, and how does it fit into the political landscape of the Western Balkans, that is becoming increasingly strained by the continued failure of the Belgrade-Prishtina dialogue and by renewed calls for Republika Srpska to separate from Bosnia and Herzegovina?
According to Vulin, and the remarks he made during a rally of his Movement of Socialists (Pokret Socijalista), the task of the current political generation is to create that Serbian World which would unify all Serbs, no matter where they live.
Raising eyebrows
It’s not the first time Vulin has made such statements. Back in April, the interior minister seemed puzzled as to why the borders in the Balkans are unchangeable and why the Serbian national question couldn’t be solved by unifying all Serbs in a single state. Vulin has also compared the example of the peaceful unification of Germany with what Serbia could eventually do.
Harsh reactions from the region followed Vulin’s most recent statements. In Bosnia and Herzegovina, Foreign Minister Bisera Turković called for Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić to disassociate himself from Vulin’s ideas, saying that if he does not do that, he would confirm that Serbia’s policy is to topple the Dayton Peace Accords and to annex parts of Bosnia to Serbia.
From Kosovo, President Vjosa Osmani said Vulin is known for his “ultranationalist” beliefs and compared the idea of the Serbian World to that of Greater Serbia.
Greater Serbia is an irredentist political ideology that seeks to create a Serbs state that would unify all parts of Western Balkans that have been of historical significance to Serbia. For many historians and analysts, the ideology of Greater Serbia is one of the main causes of the breakup of Yugoslavia and the civil wars that happened between 1991 and 1999.
“The idea why a narrative of a Serbian World or a Greater Serbia is considered disturbing and a threat to stability and peace is because it has to do with the same narrative and concrete actions which were undertaken during the 1990s in the bloody wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo,” says Jeta Krasniqi of the Kosovo Democratic Institute. “It is a narrative that goes against peace and stability in the region and against respect for borders of the Western Balkans states.”
Emulating global powers?
However, Srđan Cvijić, Senior Policy Analyst at the Open Society European Policy Institute, says that the Serbian World is hardly a serious political project and is messaging meant to consume the ruling party votes (the Movement of Socialists is a part of the SNS-led coalition).
“For SNS [the Serbian Progressive Party] it’s important to simultaneously maintain their traditional voter body, the ex-radicals [SNS was formed via a split from the Vojislav Šešelj-led Radical Party in 2008] and the silent majority. When they are speaking of the Serbian World and in general when radical nationalism is flowing from their messaging, then they are speaking to the former,” he tells Emerging Europe.
“For the latter, there is a more moderate discourse. In that way, their policies are reminiscent of a tightrope walk,” he adds.
That there are more discourses going on at the same time was evidenced by Vučić’s own remarks when he was asked by foreign officials to distance himself from Vulin’s statements. He said that Serbia’s borders are inviolable and that official Belgrade is “not concerned” with the borders of others.

“The Serbian World idea looks like an attempt to imitate what more powerful states have been able to do, to mark off a part of the world as their ‘sphere of interest’ and declare that they have the principal role in directing policy in that region,” notes Eric Gordy, professor at the UCL School of Slavonic and East European Studies.
The Serbian World idea may never become an official state policy. Still, analysts do warn of the dangers of such remarks and the threat they pose to regional cooperation and stability.
“The rhetoric that creates additional tension and division in an already tense situation in the region ahead of the finalisation of the Belgrade-Prishtina dialogue, does not contribute to creating lasting peace and long-term stability,” says Zijad Bećirović, director of the Ljubljana-based International Institute for Middle Eastern and Balkan Studies (IFIMES).
The Kosovo Democratic Institute’s Krasniqi agrees that the idea of the Serbian World is politically dangerous.
“It is a narrative that goes against peace and stability in the region and against respect for borders of the Western Balkans states. This rhetoric is dangerous, and it should be condemned by all international actors who aim to push for peace, stability and reconciliation in the region,” she tells Emerging Europe.
Too infirm to rise?
When it comes to Serbia-led initiatives in recent years, none has been quite as prominent as the idea of the Mini-Schengen, a planned economic zone connecting the six Western Balkan nations. Could talks of redrawing borders, expressed in the few phantom non-papers, and through the Serbian World idea jeopardise it?
Bećirović believes that for Mini-Schengen to work, the tensions in the region need to die down.
“Mini-Schengen is a project that should ensure long-term prosperity and for its realisation, it is necessary to pacify the situation in the region,” he explains.
Mini-Schengen also remains Serbia’s best chance to be an actual regional leader.
“Since the end of the colonial period, only a few states have succeeded in projecting this [sphere of interest] claim — the United States, Russia, and more recently China. Given the limits on its power and the ways in which it is challenged, Serbia is not likely to get far in asserting this kind of authority,” he concludes.





Their population is tiny and hasn't just nose dived over the last 20 years, but has also aged a great deal. There is no way they can pose such a challenge ever again.


The population decline is considered a national emergency by the Serbian government, who enlisted the help of the United Nations to try and slow the shrinking.








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They'll likely disappear more than anything else.
 
Fertility rate is dangerously low, almost as bad as East Asia, China also has similar symptom

The difference bro you have economies of scale via numbers. Small change can create trends which can reverse current projections.
You can't do much with 9 million people, most of whom are old, the average age is 41.6 years old.....Yikes. As they say the last person should turn the lights out.
 
economies of scale
Yeah in theory that's fine but these numbers are spread over an extensive geo, in real life I can feel the local population shrinking around me, Shanghai relies on migrants for fresh workforce.
the last person should turn the lights out.
LOL bro that's a good one!
 
Two things:

1. Vucic is the typical example of a corrupt traitorous leader. He is not interested in restoring Serbia.
2. It's not irridentism. When Croats and the Bosnian government decided to leave Yugoslavia,the whole war started because they Serbs wanted to remain in Yugoslavia in the majority Serbian areas of Croatia and Bosnia. Later the Americans supported the Albanians in their unilateral declaration of independence. Now the Serbs of Republika Srpska want to unite with the motherland. BiH is not working anyway. The two communities are autonomous from one another.

Muslim countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia are getting overcrowded. Albania, Bosnia and Kosavo need to open immigration to Muslims from other countries.
Or maybe you can control your overpopulation and stop trying to go Westwards all the time?



Last time they waged war it didnt end well for them
Their wars were going great until Clinton started bombing everything. And I mean everything. Military installations,army units,bridges,buses full of people,the State television building in Belgrade,the Chinese embassy,Albanian civilians,Serb civilians.
Typical American "mistakes" like in Afghanistan.
 
Two things:

1. Vucic is the typical example of a corrupt traitorous leader. He is not interested in restoring Serbia.
2. It's not irridentism. When Croats and the Bosnian government decided to leave Yugoslavia,the whole war started because they Serbs wanted to remain in Yugoslavia in the majority Serbian areas of Croatia and Bosnia. Later the Americans supported the Albanians in their unilateral declaration of independence. Now the Serbs of Republika Srpska want to unite with the motherland. BiH is not working anyway. The two communities are autonomous from one another.


Or maybe you can control your overpopulation and stop trying to go Westwards all the time?




Their wars were going great until Clinton started bombing everything. And I mean everything. Military installations,army units,bridges,buses full of people,the State television building in Belgrade,the Chinese embassy,Albanian civilians,Serb civilians.
Typical American "mistakes" like in Afghanistan.

It’s not all about the population. It’s also about the opportunities. Kids education is free in the west, in some countries even colleges and universities education is free. In America scholarship and grants are available for students. In Pakistan regardless of how smart you are, if wadar’s son is in your class, he will always take the 1st position even if doesn’t pass any exams.
Exams and position can be easily purchased in Pakistan. That’s why Systematically Mohajir people were removed from government jobs and illiterate Sindhi were hired, PIA as an example.
 
Muslim countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia are getting overcrowded with very less opportunities for poor people. There is so much corruption in Muslim countries. Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo has less population and lots of resources. These countries need to open immigration to Muslims from other countries.
👍 Good idea
 
Muslim countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia are getting overcrowded with very less opportunities for poor people. There is so much corruption in Muslim countries. Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo has less population and lots of resources. These countries need to open immigration to Muslims from other countries.
then work on fixing the country if theres corruption instead of fleeing to these countries, running to Bosnia won’t make Pakistan a better country. Less opportunities for Poor people because of lack of education and jobs, why not stay and fix those issues Instead. They don’t NEED to open immigration for Muslims, and I’ll support them full heartedly if they don’t, it’s the same for pakistan, they don’t NEED to open immigration for afghans or anyone just because they are Muslims.
 
It’s not all about the population. It’s also about the opportunities. Kids education is free in the west, in some countries even colleges and universities education is free. In America scholarship and grants are available for students. In Pakistan regardless of how smart you are, if wadar’s son is in your class, he will always take the 1st position even if doesn’t pass any exams.
Exams and position can be easily purchased in Pakistan. That’s why Systematically Mohajir people were removed from government jobs and illiterate Sindhi were hired, PIA as an example.
But you can't find opportunities in Albania, Kosovo or Bosnia.
 
Their wars were going great until Clinton started bombing everything. And I mean everything. Military installations,army units,bridges,buses full of people,the State television building in Belgrade,the Chinese embassy,Albanian civilians,Serb civilians.
Typical American "mistakes" like in Afghanistan.
Thats what i meant USA + NATO bombed the absolute shit out of them
 
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