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Philippines Army increases its fire support capability with new Serbian-made 81mm mortar

The Philippine Army (PA) fire support capability has gotten a significant boost with the arrival and deployment of the new 81-mm Serbian-made mortar which was put into display during the AFP's Thanksgiving Day Thursday.

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The 81-mm mortar on display at AFP's 78th Anniversary


Capt. Anthony Bacus, Army spokesperson, said their newest mortar has a bore length of 1,455 mm and weighs 47.1 kilograms. When fitted with its beechring, the weapon has a weight of 16.6 kilograms. It also has a bipod weight of 13.5 kilograms.


Around 100 units are now in service with various PA units.

Bacus said the Serbian made 81-mm mortar can be fired without sighting corrections at 20 rounds per minute, and 15 rounds with sight corrections.

He added that it can fire high explosive rounds and smoke shells at a range of 5,070 meters and illuminating mortar shells for 3,644 meters.

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Does anyone have more info on this? Is this part of the initiative to make the Moma Stanjilovic (sp?) aircraft plant a regional MIG service center? Is this new equipment? I imagine it must be, can't see the Bulgarians coming to Serbia to train on an old flight simulator from the 1980's?

"SOFIA, Feb. 10 (Xinhua) -- Bulgarian military pilots will train on a MiG-29 flight simulator in Serbia, according to an agreement signed here on Monday by Air Force officials of the two Balkan neighbors.


The Bulgarian Ministry of Defense said in a press release that the agreement was signed during a meeting of the country's Defence Minister Angel Naydenov and his Serbian counterpart Nebojsa Rodic.
The two ministers outlined military education, military medicine, military police, and military geography as areas for expanding bilateral cooperation, the press release said.

A NATO member since 2004, Bulgaria has 15 MiG-29 fighters that make up the backbone of its current air defense.However, in 2010 the Defense Ministry alarmed in its annual report that because of "insufficient number" of fighters and budget restrictions, the training of the Bulgarian military pilots was "far below NATO standards."From the required 180 flight hours for pilot per year, only pilots engaged with the Air Policing duties had about 40 flight hours annually, while the other staff was actually closer to "retraining in infantry," the ministry said
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Does anyone have more info on this? Is this part of the initiative to make the Moma Stanjilovic (sp?) aircraft plant a regional MIG service center? Is this new equipment? I imagine it must be, can't see the Bulgarians coming to Serbia to train on an old flight simulator from the 1980's?

"SOFIA, Feb. 10 (Xinhua) -- Bulgarian military pilots will train on a MiG-29 flight simulator in Serbia, according to an agreement signed here on Monday by Air Force officials of the two Balkan neighbors.

The Bulgarian Ministry of Defense said in a press release that the agreement was signed during a meeting of the country's Defence Minister Angel Naydenov and his Serbian counterpart Nebojsa Rodic.
The two ministers outlined military education, military medicine, military police, and military geography as areas for expanding bilateral cooperation, the press release said.

A NATO member since 2004, Bulgaria has 15 MiG-29 fighters that make up the backbone of its current air defense.However, in 2010 the Defense Ministry alarmed in its annual report that because of "insufficient number" of fighters and budget restrictions, the training of the Bulgarian military pilots was "far below NATO standards."From the required 180 flight hours for pilot per year, only pilots engaged with the Air Policing duties had about 40 flight hours annually, while the other staff was actually closer to "retraining in infantry," the ministry said
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No they are just training on the flight simulator, because they dont have one in Bulgaria, in return our anti aircraft defense crews are training in Bulgaria on the Shabla training ground.

It was noted that bilateral cooperation in recent years has significantly improved in the areas of joint training and exercises , application of software for codification and simulation, military medicine , military geography and public relations. It was pointed out that the cooperation between the two air force is most intense and most developed within the aviation and missile units of the two armies which annually perform live fire exercise at the training ground " Shabla " in Bulgaria , with the Bulgarian Air Force pilots conducting training on a flight simulator of the MiG-29 aircraft at Batajnica airfield in Serbia .

http://www.mod.gov.rs/sadrzaj.php?id_sadrzaja=6159

Success of SAF units at Shabla

Members of the 250th Rocket Brigade, systems " neva " and " cube " , performed a successful battle shooting aerial targets at the test site Shabla in Bulgaria. The nine-day joint tactical exercise of the Army of Serbia and the Bulgarian Army , which is the end , except for the highest officials of our eastern neighbors , was also attended by Chief of the General Staff of the Serbian Army Gen. Ljubisa Diković , confirmed the quality of the training concept in the anti defense units of the Serbian Army .

The crews of the 2nd rocket and 240 self-propelled missile battalion fired six missiles from "neva" and "cube" . The targets over the sea and with a deafening explosion were hit with projectiles bearing the Serbian flag, the targets being different in their characteristics : rockets " Volkhov " MAB 755, Parachute targets SPM -100 and radio guided , " RUM " targets.

Besides the Chief of the General Staff of the Serbian Army Gen. Ljubisa Diković , the live firing exercise of the 250th Rocket battalion Rocket and Bulgarian missile units was attended by President of the Republic of Bulgaria Rosen Plevnelijev , Minister of Defence and Chief of the Bulgarian armed forces Angel Najdenov and General Simeon Simeonov, a successful launch of the missile at the test site was carefully observed by the Ambassador of Serbia to Bulgaria Vladimir Ćurgus .

General Diković deemed the live firing as very successful.
- Today we present one excellent presentation skills of our missile units of anti effects and similar Bulgarian unit, which is the crown of qualification and training. Our soldiers and officers lived up the task, and all targets were hit , which is rarely seen, which only bespeaks of the level of training demonstrating we can accomplish all tasks with the systems and resources at their disposal. What we have seen today is the product of several months of work , rehearsing, hard training and sacrifice our soldiers and officers of deserved every form of recognition - said the Chief of the General Staff of the Serbian Army , General Ljubisa Diković .

Speaking about the importance of joint military exercises of the two armies , President of the Republic of Bulgaria and the supreme commander of the armed forces Plevnelijev Rosen said that the participants demonstrated their knowledge and training on various tasks .

- I'm fascinated with the speed and precision with which two army units operated and showed their quality. Let me take this opportunity to thank the Bulgarian and Serbian generals , and all the officers and soldiers , because only through cooperation can we guarantee peace and security in the region.

Combined crews of both Serbian and Bulgarian army on “neva" and " cube " systems consisted mostly members who had participated in live shooting exercise for the first time , but they were by-side colleagues who participated not the previous two exercises on the coast of the Black Sea coast, in 2010 and 2011.

Leader and commander of the exercise Major - General Miodrag Gordić and Brigadier General Dusko Žarković expressed their satisfaction with the professional work and dedication of members of the 250th Rocket Brigade of the Serbian Army .

- You cannot have a good missile crew without live shooting and I ma pleased we have managed to perform all battlefield shooting . We launched 12 missiles, and all hit the target, just like the previous 21 missiles, and that is a fantastic result , said Deputy Commander of the Serbian air force General Gordić and recalled that this is a battlefield shooting at the final part of a process that takes years .

Commander exercises " Shabla 2013", and 250 Rocket Brigade for PVD , Brigadier General Dusko Žarković, expressed his satisfaction with the results, pointing out that the most important thing is that students undergo the most difficult segments of training , members of the Serbian Army are trained for real situation, shooting targets in the air .

Joint tactical exercise " Shabla 2013", which, despite the extreme complexity has been successfully implemented for the third time , besides checking crew training missile systems once again enabled the members of the two armies exchange experiences and thus contributing to raising their level of interoperability. The missiles of the Serbian army were launched from Bulgarian rocket systems which a clear demonstration of the principle of mutual capacity utilization - "Shared Defence ."

Live firing at Shabla is very important due to the fact that they represent a regular activity in preparation and organization engaged all levels of the defense system.
 
ok thanks, looks like they're still training with the old SA-2 and SA-6 systems, hopefully they've been upgraded to fire and forget targeting. Aat least they have a local partner, at one time Serbia seemed totally isolated.

Hoping to see some of the new Mig29M and SA300 systems in Serbia this year.
 
Hoping to see some of the new Mig29M and SA300 systems in Serbia this year.

That is not going to happen,unfortunely.
Our Gov. only once said "We going to buy some Russian aircrafts" and after that-NOTHING.

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That is not going to happen,unfortunely.
Our Gov. only once said "We going to buy some Russian aircrafts" and after that-NOTHING.
maybe we don't need MIG 29's? The Mig 21 was the most widely produced fighter aircraft in History and the Croat's are paying Ukraine to refurbish 12 of them, so obviously this air-frame has a demand for it in certain industrialized country's.
Why can't Serbia start producing a modern version of Mig 21, a simple interceptor and missile platform. Easy to service and maintain, Low cost to export, no dog-fighting ability but none is really needed here. It can use the Klimov RD33 engine which the Russians have already tested in the Mig 21 and Serbia has been using for decades. Even better, use the latest , modern RD33MK with 4000 hour life service life time. This plane could cost half as much to operate as Mig 29 and leave more funds for AA systems.

According to Wiki Mig 21-97
MiG-21-93
Russia now offers an upgrade package to bring late-model MiG-21s up to the MIG-21-93 standard. This package provides an upgrade of the avionics suite that includes installation of the Kopyo pulse-doppler radar, smaller version of NO10 Zhuk airborne radar used by the Mig 29, which enables the aircraft to fire a greater range of modern weapons such as the beyond-visual-range Vympel R-77 air-to-air missile. The upgraded avionics also enhance the aircraft's survivability as well as its ability to engage enemy fighters. Other upgrade features include installation of a dual-screen HUD, helmet-mounted target designator, and advanced flight control systems.
MiG-21-97
MiG-21-93 upgrade. MiG-21-93 re-engined with the Klimov RD-33 engine. The Russians have claimed that the evaluation at Ramenskoya Airport had shown that this version has beaten simulated F-16 in a mock dogfight with a score of 4:1
 
I was just looking at some rough numbers. Mig 21 bis the Serbian air force is currently operating 19K pounds gross weight and Tumansky R25-300 engine 9K pounds thrust no afterburner, power to weight ratio of .47:1

Now, add single RD33MK engine / 12K pound thrust (without after-burner). Your looking at a thrust to weight ratio of .63:1 , compared to Mig 29 at .66:1.
That's assuming an original all metal Mig-21 air-frame with no modern construction techniques or composites to lighten it. You could have an airplane with very fast response time, air-borne in 15 minutes, full altitude in another 2 or 3 minutes. Lock on enemy aircraft, fire weapons, and dive down to terrain following tactics for protection.
Any airplane experts here? : )
 
Mig 21-93
Mig-29 canopy, new Air brakes, new Phasatron phased array Radar , multiple target tracking ability but with old R25-300 Engine. If the Israelis could take a Mirage and produce an incredibly successful aircraft called the Kfir Then I KNOW Serbia has the Engineers and Machinists to produce the Mig21-97 , call it the Mig 22 : )

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OK, looks like my idea is only 28 years old. Original program with Grumman aerospace to do all the things mentioned above to Mig-21 airframe between China, Pakistan and US called "Super 7" was dropped due to political conflicts. Program re-started in mid 90's between Pakistan and China . Eventually produced the JF-17 thunder,so obviously it makes little sense to copy it.

weapons.technology.youngester(dot)(com/2009/05/jf-17-thunder.html

Why not just buy the JF-17 at half price of Mig 29?
 
Cooperation with Azerbaijan:

- What innovations are planned in the defense industry this year?

- Azerbaijan will start the serial production of 40mm Multiple Grenade Launchers and their ammunition with a Serbian company in the near future. A production unit has been already established in this regard. The samples of weapon were produced and tested. We plan to open 7-8 plants this year. They will produce a variety of ammunition, weapons and other products. One of these plants will carry out serial production of 85 mm-155 mm caliber tank and artillery shells. There is a great need for these projectiles in our army. Moreover, a serial production plant of ammunition for RPG-7 grenade launchers will be put into operation. It will produce 4 types of ammunition for grenade throwers, as well as barrels for all types of weapons in size from 5.45 mm to 30 mm. We have already purchased this equipment from Serbia. It should be noted that a few countries produce barrel. These barrels have a single shooting resource. After completing it, the weapons are not use. The production of MP-5 submachine gun will be started under the license of the Turkish Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation in the short run. We are about to complete the tests of local-produced “Mubariz” and “Yalguzag” sniper rifles. We have already received technical terms from the Defense Ministry and both sniper rifles will be included in armament this year.

News.Az - Azerbaijan ranks among countries with defence industry - minister
 
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