Seoul-Beijing Warmth + Seoul-Tokyo Chill = US Impotence

[Lux de Veritas]

yea, we are foolishly ignoring those people by fighting two wars with Japan since 2011, oh wait....

没有日本人，就没有共产党。哈哈


毛泽东说要感谢日本侵略

Mao say thank you Japan for invading China.

http://jds.cass.cn/UploadFiles/zyqk/2010/12/201012020842170629.pdf

 

[Aepsilons]

One of the reasons why Abe is popular in Japan is because of his policies that target corruption, he doesn't tolerate it. The same as his father, and his grandfather.

OT: When his grandfather, Abe Kan , ran for Prime Minister in 1942, he was given death threats -- as a means to persuade him to stop his opposition of the military government. Despite the threats by the Military Government, he ran anyway and won a seat in Parliament. During the duration of the war, he and minority segment of the Diet were vehemently anti-War. They played a role in post-War politics and were influential in talking to the Emperor to intervene personally, something that was unheard of in History of Japan. As during those times, the Emperor was not seen as a man, but Divine, a living God.

Abe Shinzo is like his grandfather in that he is pro-Japan, the reason why he doesnt sign the TPP pact unless issues of agricultural market is taken into consideration. The reason why Japan, under Abe, is pursuing EU-Japan FTA instead, which will benefit Japan.

Abe Shinzo is pursuing dialogue with NK, to the protestation of the United States. Now, we are seeing the liberalization of Japanese SDF, which will further enhance our plans for more independent foreign policy.

The reason why many in Japan view SK and PRC communicating as a positive light. We understand the importance of bilateral relations. No reason why JP-SK-NK-PRC cannot pursue open dialogue in the future.

 

[Pangu]

Abe is a Japanese nationalist as much as Xi is a Chinese nationalist. So right now we have two powerful nationalistic leaders, who can actually make or break SIno-Japanese relationship, barring historical/territorial issues. The ultimate endgame for us is still reunification of Taiwan & China, while for Japan is the return to a dignified Japanese nation under full Japanese control. These two goals are not neccessariy confrontational.

 

[xesy]

Many PRC here read too little. They make too much noise. They even anti Singapore. They do not know the convoluted nature of Japanese politics.

The biggest latent enemy of Japan is not China but USA. It is always USA who stop Japan from militarizing and Japanese know that.

USA is also the country who screwed Japan in 1987 plaza accord, which Japan has not recover.

Abe grandfather is famous anti war activist.

Kan Abe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
鷹派安倍 有愧反戰祖父安倍寛 - 中時電子報

在日本政壇，安倍晉三是有名的大右派，有人稱他得自外祖父岸信介的真傳，但其實祖輩另一人安倍寛的存在，世人反而所知不多。大陸中國社會科學院美國研究所學者謝韞撰文指出，安倍晉三還有另一政治DNA，他的祖父安倍寛是日本近代史有名的反戰人物。

"If you want peace, prepare for war". I think many people interpret Japanese militarization as an aggressive action. But I think it's another step in the long road for Japan to become less dependent on the US.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

"If you want peace, prepare for war". I think many people interpret Japanese militarization as an aggressive action. But I think it's another step in the long road for Japan to become less dependent on the US.

The way for East Asia, not just Japan but Vietnam to progress is to form a alliance with China.

In 1987, USA seeing Japan progress too much impose the Plaza Accord on Japan. 3 years later, Japan burst. The wikipedia state this about Plaza Accord.

The Plaza Accord or Plaza Agreement was an agreement between the governments of France, West Germany, Japan, the United States, and the United Kingdom, to depreciate the U.S. dollar in relation to the Japanese yen and German Deutsche Mark by intervening in currency markets.


The recessionary effects of the strengthened yen in Japan's export-dependent economy created an incentive for the expansionary monetary policies that led to the Japanese asset price bubble of the late 1980s.

The signing of the Plaza Accord was significant in that it reflected Japan's emergence as a real player in managing the international monetary system. Yet it is postulated[3] that it contributed to the Japanese asset price bubble, which ended up in a serious recession, the so-called Lost Decade.

This lost decade is not entire the fault of USA but Japan culture got to take some blame. All East Asian are well known for parasitic landlordism. Plaza Accord bring the worst out the East Asian greed, and Japan since then cannot pull herself out.

 

[NiceGuy]

Hey! Look! My President, Barack Obama, is incompetent. So, any of you nations out there who want to make arrangements that might upset the USA, now is the time. Make your changes while the changing is good. And, you might get lucky and my countrymen elect Hillary Clinton in two years. That will give you another 4 years to build up anti-USA arrangements. Just remember, Barack is on your side ...... He wants the USA to be smaller on the world stage.

Mr. Obama is play a smart move, he thinks US doesnt need to totally control SK-JP, just control SK-Jp military is enough.

As long as SK-JP military forces still under US control, then US still can contain China from SK-JP-TW..

 

[Genesis]

没有日本人，就没有共产党。哈哈


毛泽东说要感谢日本侵略

Mao say thank you Japan for invading China.

http://jds.cass.cn/UploadFiles/zyqk/2010/12/201012020842170629.pdf

Mao also said Communism best suits China, maybe you like to use that as the attitude of the current Chinese also?

Current American supreme court justice said the devil is real and just smarter, while Bachmann said the world is ending soon and Palin is waiting for Jesus in her living room.

Maybe you like to take a stab at those?

 

[xesy]

The way for East Asia, not just Japan but Vietnam to progress is to form a alliance with China.

In 1987, USA seeing Japan progress too much impose the Plaza Accord on Japan. 3 years later, Japan burst. The wikipedia state this about Plaza Accord.

The Plaza Accord or Plaza Agreement was an agreement between the governments of France, West Germany, Japan, the United States, and the United Kingdom, to depreciate the U.S. dollar in relation to the Japanese yen and German Deutsche Mark by intervening in currency markets.

The recessionary effects of the strengthened yen in Japan's export-dependent economy created an incentive for the expansionary monetary policies that led to the Japanese asset price bubble of the late 1980s.

The signing of the Plaza Accord was significant in that it reflected Japan's emergence as a real player in managing the international monetary system. Yet it is postulated[3] that it contributed to the Japanese asset price bubble, which ended up in a serious recession, the so-called Lost Decade.

This lost decade is not entire the fault of USA but Japan culture got to take some blame. All East Asian are well known for parasitic landlordism. Plaza Accord bring the worst out the East Asian greed, and Japan since then cannot pull herself out.

An alliance is a dangerous move, for both Vietnam and Japan.

Firstly, the US will not allow Japan to ally with China. Their troops in Japan are not for show. Japan is an important base for the US across the Pacific. They will not accept Japan "two timing".

Secondly, it's personal opinion, Vietnam and China could have had an alliance. In fact, before China first publicly release the 9 dash lines map and claimed most of SCS for itself, things went pretty well between Vietnam and China. The completion of land border marking was a great success for both countries, and our media reported all day about "4 diamond words, 16 golden words" about the relationship with China, even though Vietnam govt did "return" some of our land to China. And then China messed it all up with the map, then the rig. So now, an alliance is next to impossible. The people will not allow it.

Personally, I think the idea of an alliance over East Asia is quite similar to Japanese "Great East Asia Empire" in WW2: sound good but impractical. We all have a long history of fighting each other, and the difference in ideaology, culture and traditions will certainly cause discriminations and mistreatment among the people. Look at Hongkong now. They are Chinese people, but prefer democacy over communist party rule. And the mainland Chinese already start talking bad about them. That's just inside China alone. Vietnam also have the same problems and I am sure every country has their own internal issues. Now imagine that happens between countries, and politicans get involved. Boy oh boy, I'm sure there will be a war, instead of an alliance.

 

[amitkriit]

Asians have seen it all. They have seen how the US uses one country as cannon-fodder against the other country. India refused to be a part of US' anti-China grand alliance for this reason despite facing real security threats from China.

Japan's position is unique in the sense that it is just a vassal state of the US, hence engaging Japan directly on foreign-policy and defence matters is a waste of time.

Those Asian countries which have been trying to stay close to the western powers for protection must learn a thing or two from the Ukraine crisis. The west won't stick it's neck out unless it's interests are threatened.

 

[NiceGuy]

Asians have seen it all. They have seen how the US uses one country as cannon-fodder against the other country. India refused to be a part of US' anti-China grand alliance for this reason despite facing real security threats from China.

Japan's position is unique in the sense that it is just a vassal state of the US, hence engaging Japan directly on foreign-policy and defence matters is a waste of time.

Those Asian countries which have been trying to stay close to the western powers for protection must learn a thing or two from the Ukraine crisis. The west won't stick it's neck out unless it's interests are threatened.

VN can join US' anti-China alliance if US allow VN to make Nuke bomb , when we have nuke bomb, we dont need to worry abt China anymore

 

[Edison Chen]

VN can join US' anti-China alliance if US allow VN to make Nuke bomb , when we have nuke bomb, we dont need to worry abt China anymore

Kid, you are short-sighted, aren't you? If you walk up too high, you will fall down heavily, nuke boom is not realistic for VN. When China and South Korea issuing anti nuclear statement, VN is dreaming about nuke and US colonization. Learn something here.

You've got more stringent problems in your country other than nuke.

 

[NiceGuy]

Kid, you are short-sighted, aren't you? If you walk up too high, you will fall down heavily, nuke boom is not realistic for VN. When China and South Korea issuing anti nuclear statement, VN is dreaming about nuke and US colonization. Learn something here.

You've got more stringent problems in your country other than nuke.

We can enrich uranium without US sanction now, making Nuke bomb will be the next step US should allow , then VN will very happy to join with US against China

 

[Edison Chen]

An alliance is a dangerous move, for both Vietnam and Japan.

Firstly, the US will not allow Japan to ally with China. Their troops in Japan are not for show. Japan is an important base for the US across the Pacific. They will not accept Japan "two timing".

Secondly, it's personal opinion, Vietnam and China could have had an alliance. In fact, before China first publicly release the 9 dash lines map and claimed most of SCS for itself, things went pretty well between Vietnam and China. The completion of land border marking was a great success for both countries, and our media reported all day about "4 diamond words, 16 golden words" about the relationship with China, even though Vietnam govt did "return" some of our land to China. And then China messed it all up with the map, then the rig. So now, an alliance is next to impossible. The people will not allow it.

Personally, I think the idea of an alliance over East Asia is quite similar to Japanese "Great East Asia Empire" in WW2: sound good but impractical. We all have a long history of fighting each other, and the difference in ideaology, culture and traditions will certainly cause discriminations and mistreatment among the people. Look at Hongkong now. They are Chinese people, but prefer democacy over communist party rule. And the mainland Chinese already start talking bad about them. That's just inside China alone. Vietnam also have the same problems and I am sure every country has their own internal issues. Now imagine that happens between countries, and politicans get involved. Boy oh boy, I'm sure there will be a war, instead of an alliance.

lol, I agree, culture is not that important, but economic imbalance, ideology and social and regime structure are the biggest problem. Look at EU, they are united because of similar economic condition and political system.

 

[amitkriit]

VN can join US' anti-China alliance if US allow VN to make Nuke bomb , when we have nuke bomb, we dont need to worry abt China anymore

Nukes are always the last option, not the first.

 

[xesy]

Nukes are always the last option, not the first.

Yeah, not all Vietnamese want nuke like him. Although I must admit some Vietnamese extremists suggest some crazy ideas around. Like building nuke or performing terrorist attacks against China and the rig.