Sensitive Data of Indian Navy’s Scorpene Class Submarines Leaked

[PARIKRAMA]

I do like Vishu Som , BUT this reaction to this and his reply to the aussie reporter , show he is happy about the leaks and envious of the reporter for his coup of the century! -

New Scorpene Details Show Vital Stats Are Out In Open: 10 Facts
All India | Reported by Vishnu Som, Edited by Divyanshu Dutta Roy | Updated: August 25, 2016 21:22 IST
Here are the top 10 developments in this big story:

1. The sonar system, including the frequencies used by its key components, the Flank Array, the Sonar Intercept Receiver, the Distributed Array and the Active Array have been compromised. All these systems work together to allow the submarine to detect enemy warships and submarines and attack them using torpedoes.
2. The latest tranche of data appears to contradict the Ministry of Defence statement earlier today that there was no immediate security risk from the leak of secret documents detailing the capabilities of the Scorpene.
3. The Australian newspaper, which reported on the leak two days ago, posted new details this evening on its website but with sensitive info redacted.
4. So though the documents prove that the classified information had been compromised, it is not in the public domain.
5. The documents posted earlier have been examined and do not pose any security compromise as the vital parameters have been blacked out," the defence ministry said in a statement earlier. However, it is The Australian which has redacted sensitive data. It is possible that these documents are also available to others.
6. Six Scorpenes designed by French shipmaker DCNS are being built in Mumbai. The first is expected to join service before the end of this year.
7. On Tuesday night, the Australian said it had 22,000 pages of details that exposed the combat capability of the submarines, being built at a cost of $3.5 billion.
8. The documents were stolen from DCNS and not leaked, an unnamed French government source said to news agency Reuters, adding that the information published so far shows only operational aspects of the submarines.
9. The source said the documents appeared to have been stolen in 2011 by a former French employee that had been fired while providing training in India on the use of the submarines.
10. India and France have opened investigations with Delhi asking for a detailed report.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/more...per-10-facts-1450394?pfrom=home-lateststories
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[GuardianRED]

New Scorpene Details Show Vital Stats Are Out In Open: 10 Facts
All India | Reported by Vishnu Som, Edited by Divyanshu Dutta Roy | Updated: August 25, 2016 21:22 IST
Here are the top 10 developments in this big story:

1. The sonar system, including the frequencies used by its key components, the Flank Array, the Sonar Intercept Receiver, the Distributed Array and the Active Array have been compromised. All these systems work together to allow the submarine to detect enemy warships and submarines and attack them using torpedoes.
2. The latest tranche of data appears to contradict the Ministry of Defence statement earlier today that there was no immediate security risk from the leak of secret documents detailing the capabilities of the Scorpene.
3. The Australian newspaper, which reported on the leak two days ago, posted new details this evening on its website but with sensitive info redacted.
4. So though the documents prove that the classified information had been compromised, it is not in the public domain.
5. The documents posted earlier have been examined and do not pose any security compromise as the vital parameters have been blacked out," the defence ministry said in a statement earlier. However, it is The Australian which has redacted sensitive data. It is possible that these documents are also available to others.
6. Six Scorpenes designed by French shipmaker DCNS are being built in Mumbai. The first is expected to join service before the end of this year.
7. On Tuesday night, the Australian said it had 22,000 pages of details that exposed the combat capability of the submarines, being built at a cost of $3.5 billion.
8. The documents were stolen from DCNS and not leaked, an unnamed French government source said to news agency Reuters, adding that the information published so far shows only operational aspects of the submarines.
9. The source said the documents appeared to have been stolen in 2011 by a former French employee that had been fired while providing training in India on the use of the submarines.
10. India and France have opened investigations with Delhi asking for a detailed report.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/more...per-10-facts-1450394?pfrom=home-lateststories
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Where did he get the terms
"The Flank Array, the Sonar Intercept Receiver, the Distributed Array and the Active Array " are these mentioned in the docs?

Opps my bad , just read the leaked docs again .... BUT all this is mentioned in a Training Manual!

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Where did he get the terms
"The Flank Array, the Sonar Intercept Receiver, the Distributed Array and the Active Array " are these mentioned in the docs?

Opps my bad , just read the leaked docs again .... BUT all this is mentioned in a Training Manual!

Check post #383
2nd page and 3rd page..
Here again

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More leaks sink Scorpene; bad timing for France trying to tie down troublesome Rafale deal
By Manu Pubby, ET Bureau | Aug 25, 2016, 10.57 PM IST

NEW DELHI: More bad news for the Navy came on Thursday night with the Australian newspaper revealing more leaked content, including details of the submarine's underwater warfare systems.

The new documents put out by the Australian online newspaper come hours after the Indian Navy sought to downplay the issue, saying that there is no immediate reason for worry.

The new documents include specifics of the entire sonar system that is used by the sub to identify and target enemy vessels. These include details of the Flank Array, Sonar Intercept Receiver bands of operations and Active array transmission frequency.

The timing of the disclosure that thousands of pages of confidential information on India's Scorpene submarine have been leaked is particularly bad for France that is trying to finally tie down a troublesome deal for Rafale fighter jets and shipbuilder DCNS, which was hoping to get clearances for a foreign direct investment proposal this month.

While the navy has been downplaying the seriousness of the breach - saying that necessary steps are being taken to mitigate probable security compromise - the leak has thrown questions on a DCNS FDI proposal worth over Rs 100 crore that hinges on the Scorpene project.

In fact, sources told the Economic Times that a team of senior officials from France was to visit New DELHI next week, hoping for final clearances in what would be the first bid in the defence sector for 100 per cent FDI under a new liberalized policy by the Modi government.

The FDI was for an Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) system that would have given greater underwater endurance to the Scorpene submarine. French company DCNS was banking on an additional order for three Scorpenes that would be fitted with AIP and had based its FDI pitch strategy accordingly.

"The leak has put up questions on how the capability of the current fleet on order has been undermined. That is being studied. So, any discussion on a new order would depend on the outcome of the study," a senior ministry official said.

At the same time, there are worries that the leak is worse than was earlier expected with The Australian revealing more data. The newspaper has put out more redacted documents that detail the sensitive underwater warfare systems and sonar of the submarine.

The Indian Navy, which said that documents shared by the newspaper as of now do not pose a security compromise as they have been redacted, has asked French authorities to act on the leak. "The Government is examining if the impact of the information contained in the documents claimed to be available with the Australian sources is compromised. The detailed assessment of potential impact is being undertaken by a high level committee," a navy statement read.

The leak, which according to the Australian also contained files on French frigates and its Mistral amphibious vessels, could also have an impact on a DCNS proposal to sell landing platform docks to the Indian Navy. The Rs 20,000 crore LPD contract -- for which DCNS is partnering Reliance Defence -- is in its final stage with commercial offers expected to be opened this year.

The timing of the leak also coincides with a delicate period on the Rafale fighter jet negotiations. After protracted discussions, which have lasted for over a year, the Indian and French side finally came to an agreement earlier this month to take forward the purchase of 36 fighter jets. A team from France is also expected to visit India next month to finalise the deal. However, the Indian side is now bound to raise questions on data protection and confidentiality from the French side.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ublesome-rafale-deal/articleshow/53863495.cms

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@Abingdonboy @Vergennes @anant_s @Ankit Kumar 002 @hellfire
I said regarding the AIP fuel cell and parallel production for scorpenes in second line..

https://defence.pk/threads/sensitiv...submarines-leaked.445677/page-10#post-8607640

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I dont have any doubts that someone is trying their level best to ensure India is not getting the best technology with which in a decade she can challenge them in Air-Land-Sea capability..

 

[Nilgiri]

@Nilgiri @PARIKRAMA

An example of what I was talking about earlier about neo-riffraff

@Abingdonboy @Nilgiri @anant_s @Ankit Kumar 002 @GuardianRED @Vergennes @others


Its a bit strange that Australian newspaper and the reporter going all out to raise the panic factor and sensationalize the expose.. His assertion now is that there is some confusion in India as nothing is blacked out in the dox what he has.
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essentially the jargons use for scorpenes by most media folks in Australia and people in India who follow them are
- its nude now post leaks
- computer simulations would lead to scorpene to shortfin sub systems linkage
- China will fully negate Indian potential submarine fleet
- China have already downloaded the material and will incorporate changes to their submarines to take out scorpenes
- Shortfin is also compromised so nothing is there safe
- Soryu is better bcz Japan who is so close to China in territory protects Soryu as a state secret and nothing ever is leaked out of Japanese program

I mean the fantastic level of ecstasy seen in the media is beyond what Sunny Leone can provide with her efforts to please any man...


Not really.. The Kilo new version is called 636 and there was a proposal to buy 2 from Russian shipyard and make 10 in Reliance Defence deal for a total of a 12 sub deal. MOD did not consider this proposal. Chiefly the Kilo even though is a potent submarine is still an old design. The future generation submarines after kilo in teh world market comes with much better upgrades as well as from endurance perspective the AIP. On top, the value addition to our needs is negligible as Kilos are present with multiple operators so even a customised version wont help us much. The biggest factor perhaps comes from the fact that Reliance Defence quote was upwards of $400 Mn for individual submarine and talks of TOT transfer was there which are more added costs..Unfortunately the kilo upgrade package to this TOT thing is not at all winning any support from IN as well.

For IN they want a New Generation SSK in their hands of at least 15 in numbers to handle everything close to 2050-60 type of timeline.. Kilos will be far outdated by then..

 

[PARIKRAMA]

New set of leaked Scorpene documents out
Top defence analyst allayed fears that it could compromise the security of the strategically important combat vessels
Press Trust of India | New Delhi August 25, 2016 Last Updated at 22:57 IST

Australia's The Australian newspaper on Thursday uploaded a fresh tranche of leaked documents relating to information about operating instructions of underwater warfare system of the six Scorpene submarines which are being built in India by French firm DCNS.

However, a top defence analyst allayed fears that it could compromise the security of the strategically important combat vessels.

Like in the previous case, the newspaper has blacked out all details which it felt would compromise India's security interests.

However, the new set of documents, with Indian Navy insignia on it and marked "Restricted Scorpene India", gives details about the sonar system of the submarines which is used to gather intelligence underwater.

It talks about a wide range of technical specifications of the sonars and at what degree and frequency it will function.

The documents detail the "Operating Instruction Manual", which talks about how to select a target for weapon firing, weapon configuration selection, among others.

Though the Navy has not yet officially reacted to the release of new documents, sources maintained that it does not compromise national security.

They said the same information about a submarine was on many naval defence websites.

"On the face of it, these documents are basic operating manual. You buy any goods from the market, it will come with an operating manual," defence analyst Commodore Uday Bhaskar (Retd), Director of Society of Policy Studies told PTI.

"If the question is whether tonight's revelation has made our submarines vulnerable, then the answer is no," he said.

"It is more like basic operating instructions for the user," he said.

The paper said it has been told that the secret data was removed from DCNS by a former sub-contractor in 2011 and taken to a private company in Southeast Asia before being passed on to a branch of that company in a second Southeast Asian nation.

A disk containing the data filed was then posted in regular mail to a company in Australia.

DCNS is focusing its investigation on former employees and sub-contractors involved in the project. At this stage it is not thought that the leak came from India.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...ed-scorpene-documents-out-116082501351_1.html

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[Nilgiri]

No.....I'm a defence enthusiast....!
It's a forum for everyone. No?
You can correct me if I'm wrong...but don't have to be rude about it!!

Well then please don't jump to conclusions based on media reports. You have seen how the media operates right?

Give it some time and follow this thread and take on board what people like Parikrama and myself etc...post.

It requires a level and reasoned debate and interaction....with gratuitous amounts of time and analysis to make the best picture.

Jumping and saying "everything has been compromised" and that "scrap remaining subs" does a disservice to yourself and Indian posters in general.

A lot of my work, current and previous has intersected with the defence sector....and I know what the size of manuals, adjuncts and reports can be....and what the various clearances involved are (with the lowest levels being quite a formality than anything else)....so I do not like to speculate either way though knowing how western companies in general handle their highest level of document control, I for the moment am giving them and MOD India the benefit of the doubt in what they are releasing right now.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

@Spectre
Tagged you here..

As you were saying why not sensitive chiefly for few reasons. The thread already has much more materials collated here from open sources as well as what we could muster from our friends, colleagues, news reports, tweets and seniors/sources. The talk about frequenices/numbers being out is a pure misnomer. Our scorpene are being build over last 4 years when local MSMEs have stepped in to make own systems to replace original systems which are not there in any manual. so a lot more customization happened. Heck those manuals will be finalised post sea trials this month and formal induction of first sub kalavari In October 2016.

Acoustic signature is not yet added in our IFF library so no one can know other than the plain vanilla option in library records obtained from other sources or other navies. SO the so called stealth angle is never compromised nor it will be ever compromised especially since warm waters in this region provide additional natural cover.(again covered in this thread somewhere)

Let me give a simple example to highlight few points
Consider the Combat System Subtics

That same subtics is there with Scorpenes as well.
The basic operating manual will cover the same points already known on subtics to all sides.

What it will not tell: The processing power, the sensors via which integrated data points are fed into the combat system, the algos, ect are much better than previous versions used in the above table format. on top, our HWT is not yet integrated which is suppose to be F21 implying the response of the system and additional things are yet to be encoded to get proper response time as well as range of combat, guidance of torpedoes etc.

Consider say now the active passive sonar suite S-Cube
The leak talked about all array forms which are also there in Thales UW presentation posted here in this thread. Yet we know the range and i quoting it here 10Hz to 250 KHz from the same public document.. The military RFI or tender has more specific numbers in the same range and 99% of the whole world submarines also use the same band of frequencies for detection. Even the angle of coverage is given in such detailed presentation under tender conditions submitted to every competition won or failed..obtaining such information clandestinely is even more easier than such buying from a ex officer.

BTW there are additional customization in S-Cube Suite. I wont write beyond on this. Bcz doing that will surely endanger the sub specs. But rest assured we have been able to use a highly advanced and customised version of this S- Cube and wont share that with any other customer suites

Now lets take a case closer home. Do check DRDO Tender dox. What you get there is

• Engineering drawings
• Metallurgy details including elemental composition
• All technical specifications including electronic ranges to pressure ranges to what not
• connection into live projects

Now there was never an alarm raised for that till now.. When i see the tender dox of today or old ones i knw exactly what systems and sub systems are there, whats the tech specs pertaining to its work. Considering a missile or Electro Opto piece or even a subsystem for LCA or a recently tested Glide Bomb design and wings to what not things..

Pray, do tell us are they not dangerous.. if so, then why our media and forces never expressed their concern and panicked into the same.

I am not saying nothing significant is there.. Its restricted it means for authorized personnel only.. but i will not buy the argument that our scorpenes are compromised.

Now coming to DCNS, the official response to DCNS is proper. Dont go by what newspaper quoted. The official response as per their press release is this

Kindly see the date

http://en.dcnsgroup.com/news/press-information/

Now shall we consider the spokesperson quoted in newspaper as authentic or the ones listed in press information release in their website.

If you see The Australian newspaper work and read the whole story its clear that they are using India as a shoulder support to fire the gun. Its in our Scorpene expense the whole game is being played.

I still support nothing extremely alarming has been leaked. But yes i will still consider the authentic probe to complete and give that 1 % additional verdict to make it 100% sure that our subs are not duds.



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[Aero]

Kilos will be far outdated by then..

Depends more on effectiveness of crew & their training. Don't you think?

https://theaviationist.com/2015/03/05/us-aircraft-carrier-sunk-by-subs/
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/2y47ix/old_french_sub_sinks_us_carrier_group/

(Just to point out)

 

[Spectre]

@Spectre
Tagged you here..

As you were saying why not sensitive chiefly for few reasons. The thread already has much more materials collated here from open sources as well as what we could muster from our friends, colleagues, news reports, tweets and seniors/sources. The talk about frequenices/numbers being out is a pure misnomer. Our scorpene are being build over last 4 years when local MSMEs have stepped in to make own systems to replace original systems which are not there in any manual. so a lot more customization happened. Heck those manuals will be finalised post sea trials this month and formal induction of first sub kalavari In October 2016.

Acoustic signature is not yet added in our IFF library so no one can know other than the plain vanilla option in library records obtained from other sources or other navies. SO the so called stealth angle is never compromised nor it will be ever compromised especially since warm waters in this region provide additional natural cover.(again covered in this thread somewhere)

Let me give a simple example to highlight few points
Consider the Combat System Subtics
View attachment 328947
That same subtics is there with Scorpenes as well.
The basic operating manual will cover the same points already known on subtics to all sides.

What it will not tell: The processing power, the sensors via which integrated data points are fed into the combat system, the algos, ect are much better than previous versions used in the above table format. on top, our HWT is not yet integrated which is suppose to be F21 implying the response of the system and additional things are yet to be encoded to get proper response time as well as range of combat, guidance of torpedoes etc.

Consider say now the active passive sonar suite S-Cube
The leak talked about all array forms which are also there in Thales UW presentation posted here in this thread. Yet we know the range and i quoting it here 10Hz to 250 KHz from the same public document.. The military RFI or tender has more specific numbers in the same range and 99% of the whole world submarines also use the same band of frequencies for detection. Even the angle of coverage is given in such detailed presentation under tender conditions submitted to every competition won or failed..obtaining such information clandestinely is even more easier than such buying from a ex officer.

BTW there are additional customization in S-Cube Suite. I wont write beyond on this. Bcz doing that will surely endanger the sub specs. But rest assured we have been able to use a highly advanced and customised version of this S- Cube and wont share that with any other customer suites

Now lets take a case closer home. Do check DRDO Tender dox. What you get there is

• Engineering drawings
• Metallurgy details including elemental composition
• All technical specifications including electronic ranges to pressure ranges to what not
• connection into live projects

Now there was never an alarm raised for that till now.. When i see the tender dox of today or old ones i knw exactly what systems and sub systems are there, whats the tech specs pertaining to its work. Considering a missile or Electro Opto piece or even a subsystem for LCA or a recently tested Glide Bomb design and wings to what not things..

Pray, do tell us are they not dangerous.. if so, then why our media and forces never expressed their concern and panicked into the same.

I am not saying nothing significant is there.. Its restricted it means for authorized personnel only.. but i will not buy the argument that our scorpenes are compromised.

Now coming to DCNS, the official response to DCNS is proper. Dont go by what newspaper quoted. The official response as per their press release is this
View attachment 328950
Kindly see the date
View attachment 328951
http://en.dcnsgroup.com/news/press-information/

Now shall we consider the spokesperson quoted in newspaper as authentic or the ones listed in press information release in their website.

If you see The Australian newspaper work and read the whole story its clear that they are using India as a shoulder support to fire the gun. Its in our Scorpene expense the whole game is being played.

I still support nothing extremely alarming has been leaked. But yes i will still consider the authentic probe to complete and give that 1 % additional verdict to make it 100% sure that our subs are not duds.



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If you see the redacted information headers, you will get the idea why redaction was necessary. The problem is that raw info was not redacted and who else besides the newspaper has access to it.

DCNS and MoD can't be fully out because of various reasons chief among them the state of affairs of IN and the necessity of these subs.

While it won't do anyone good to make too much noise as things are just fluid and if possible leak can be plugged even now if all the exit points are investigated and covered but the clock is running out and if by end of August it doesn't happen then for sure we are in trouble.

P.S. Just look at the new set of redacted info and you will get the idea and this is not taking into account majority of the info which is still unreleased.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To MAGICBULLET & SPYKAR: Alright, let’s put matters into perspective in point-form:

1) The DCNS oriorietary data data, running to 22,400 pages, includes 4,457 pages on underwater sensors, 4,209 pages om above-water sensors, 4,301 pages combat management systems, 493 pages on torpedo launch systems, 6,841 pages on communications systems and 2,138 on navigation systems. This data caters to the Scorpene SSK, Mistral-class LPD & Fremm-class FFGs, & NOT JUST ABOUT SCORPENE SSK ONLY. Hence very few PDF documents have been shared by THE AUSTRALIAN newspaper so far, despite the voluminous data reportably available to it.

2) Secondly, the fact that the data has been redacted indficates that the newspaper first shared it with the Australian ASIS & based upon the latter’s advice, the redaction was done.

3) Now, how did the data reach the Australian newspaper & why? This is the most interesting part, because it has NOTHING to do with DCNS’ Shortfin Barracuda design (since the RAN will go not with SUBTICS or F-21 HWTs, but with ther CMS from Lockheed Martin & HWTs from Honeywell). Apparently there was a DCNS employee (a retired officer of the French Navy) who was retrenched after the JV between DCNS & NAVANTIA was dissolved in the previous decade, with DCNS then promoting its own CM-2000 Scorpene SSK design & NAVANTIA of Spain promoting its S-80 Scorpene design. The retrenched officer reportedly became a consultant & was actively involved in promoting the S-80 Scorpene SSK for the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL) & it was the TNI-AL that wanted comparative data for both contenders at that time (especially since neighbouring Malaysia operates two CM-2000 Scorpenes), the S-80, CM-2000, & the Class 209/Type 1400 SSK were being proposed by Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME), before making a final decision. The TNI-AL in December 2011 awarded DSME a US$1.1 billion contract for the construction of the three Class 209/Type 1500 SSKs. At around the samne time, the local Indonesian agent & the retrenched DCNS employee who were promoting the S-80 Scorpene from NAVANTIA probably got in touch with Australian authorities to promote this design for RAN. That’s how the design/performance data package data ended up in Australia & some local Asutralian consultant is the most probable source/supplier of this data to the newspaper. All this will surface in the coming days.

Now let’s turn towards the dire predictions from some ‘desi’ patrakars & self-styled security experts who are more well known for their reliance on fictional flicks of Tom Clancy for ‘enlightenment’ & who never tire of going into spectacularly outrageous meltdowns, which in turn produce comic relief to all of us quite often.

Cont’d below…

August 26, 2016 at 3:11 AM

Prasun K. Sengupta said...
It seems most are alarmed about the nature of the compromised data that includes propulsion and cavitation data, acoustics at ultra-slow speed, combat system acoustics, drive turbine sound profile, shifting sonar profile during rapid dive, frequencies at snorkling and shallow depth, acoustic dynamics shift between shallow stationary float and snorkeling depth.

In the real world, all such data are programmable, i.e. only after conducting exhaustive hydo-acoustic surveys through 2 rounds of extensive sea-trials can accurate figures be gauged & they in turn are used for deriving 2 types of acoustic signatures through computer modelling: the distinctive signature & the manipulated signature. Only after this does the process of designing customer-specific acoustic rubber tiles begin. This process is known as signature management. Following this, the SSK;s lead boat goes out to sea for sea-trials during which the definitive database of the SSK’s hydro-acoustic data is generated. This then gets programmed into the servers of both the CMS & the integrated platform management system (IPMS).

Thus, based on the above explanation in layman’s terms, it is 100% guaranteed that the specs/performance parameters outlined in the PDF files disclosed by THE AUSTRALIAN newspaper pertain to the CM-2000 SSK MINUS its coating of acoustic rubber tiles & therefore poses no risk or threat to any CM-2000 Scorpene SSK of the IN. In fact, I had a conversation during DEFEXPO 2016 with the Indian OEM that makes such tiles & I was told that the IN will not place orders for such tiles unless & until the structural integrity & hydro-acoustic database of the 1st MDL-built Scorpene has been established/generated through the 1st round of sea-trials. Onlt after this will the customisation of Scorpene-specific rubber tiles & installation of additional vibration-isolators will commence & the 2nd round of sea-trials will commence & based on the results obtained, the databases of the CMS & IPMS will be further updated & refined. These final figures will be totally different from what’s today in the public domain.

So, it’s high time all the 'desi’ commentators stoped running amock like headless chicken, & instead they ought to spend more time going into the detail before reaching sound, logical conclusions.

August 26, 2016 at 3:12 AM

 

[Nilgiri]

3) Now, how did the data reach the Australian newspaper & why? This is the most interesting part, because it has NOTHING to do with DCNS’ Shortfin Barracuda design (since the RAN will go not with SUBTICS or F-21 HWTs, but with ther CMS from Lockheed Martin & HWTs from Honeywell). Apparently there was a DCNS employee (a retired officer of the French Navy) who was retrenched after the JV between DCNS & NAVANTIA was dissolved in the previous decade, with DCNS then promoting its own CM-2000 Scorpene SSK design & NAVANTIA of Spain promoting its S-80 Scorpene design. The retrenched officer reportedly became a consultant & was actively involved in promoting the S-80 Scorpene SSK for the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL) & it was the TNI-AL that wanted comparative data for both contenders at that time (especially since neighbouring Malaysia operates two CM-2000 Scorpenes), the S-80, CM-2000, & the Class 209/Type 1400 SSK were being proposed by Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME), before making a final decision. The TNI-AL in December 2011 awarded DSME a US$1.1 billion contract for the construction of the three Class 209/Type 1500 SSKs. At around the samne time, the local Indonesian agent & the retrenched DCNS employee who were promoting the S-80 Scorpene from NAVANTIA probably got in touch with Australian authorities to promote this design for RAN. That’s how the design/performance data package data ended up in Australia & some local Asutralian consultant is the most probable source/supplier of this data to the newspaper. All this will surface in the coming days.

Bro has anyone revealed if the identity of this retired officer known to French authorities?

@Vergennes @Taygibay @BON PLAN

 

[Abingdonboy]

• Exploiting the maximum
• moment in the sun
• sensationalism
• teasing
• surprises
• trying to be more popular
• more relevant

yup here it is

View attachment 328718

https://twitter.com/x/status/768802428405768192

I am sure DCNS is going to take this guy to cleaners for some legal loophole someplace..

When you think about it, wtf is this guy playing at?

Usually the media can only publish things that have been obtained through such means and are secret in nature IF there is a public benefit to such documents being made public. I fail to see where the public interest is in such details being splashed on the pages of the press. I'm not sure about the laws in Australia but I would think there was a pretty decent chance of going after this media outlet for what they have done here. Furthermore, it appears as though these operational manuals have been stolen from DCNS and thus the Australian is aiding a criminal.

Let's not forget that Edward Snowdon is a wanted man and Bradley Manning is facing a life sentance for doing things very similar to this.

I'd hope DCNS are pouring millions into a lawsuit fund as we speak @Vergennes

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Bro has anyone revealed if the identity of this retired officer known to French authorities?

@Vergennes @Taygibay @BON PLAN

Dont know yet but i guess they might have narrowed it down to limited suspects.. should see some arrest formally or at least saying we have successfully identified the person who stole the data.

Usually the media can only publish things that have been obtained through such means and are secret in nature IF there is a public benefit to such documents being made public. I fail to see where the public interest is in such details being splashed on the pages of the press. I'm not sure about the laws in Australia but I would think there was a pretty decent chance of going after this media outlet for what they have done here. Furthermore, it appears as though these operational manuals have been stolen from DCNS and thus the Australian is aiding a criminal.

Let's not forget that Edward Snowdon is a wanted man and Bradley Manning is facing a life sentance for doing things very similar to this.

I'd hope DCNS are pouring millions into a lawsuit fund as we speak @Vergennes

DCNS said its stolen implying now stolen property is being leaked without permission.. You knw whats coming next.. a big fat lawsuit, a battery of lawyers and France, India and Australia- 3 governments whipping this newspaper's ***.. it will happen whether clandestinely or openly, needs to be seen.

I am sure DCNS will make an example to ensure future thefts and such media circus wont get repeated.

 

[Abingdonboy]

You want the sonar frequency range?
its 10Hz to 250 Khz
View attachment 328888
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Source: https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/12895_thales_tus_gb_hd_p.pdf

Imagine if a simple presentation for public gives the range so a detailed presentation wont have much finer details of individual array ranges? will that be restricted to only manuals?


Solid point my friend.. its done asap to counter the way Indian gov and Indian Navy said its not important..

Now our media fellows will play it up .. check that main aussie author tweet
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Wow, the Indian media really are exposing themselves for what they are, they are so hungry for their precious TRPs that they will openly praise the release of documents that could have a harmful effect on their nation's national security.

This is scary behaviour, they have no shame or any fear of acting so brazenly outside of the public interest.

When this is the media, who is going to hold wrongdoers to account?

 

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Dont worry DCNS will replace them with latest sonars.