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Sensitive Data of Indian Navy’s Scorpene Class Submarines Leaked

See the highlighted. DCNS is blaming India.



Scorpene submarine data leak: Here’s what we know so far about the case
Scorpene Submarine data leak: Read all about Scorpene Submarine data scandal here. The Govt has launched a probe after the leak.
By: Express Web Desk
New Delhi Updated: Aug 24, 2016, 15:58


  • By: Express Web Desk | New Delhi | Updated: August 24, 2016 3:58 pm
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    An employee looks at the propeller of a Scorpene submarine at the industrial site of the naval defence company and shipbuilder DCNS in La Montagne near Nantes, France (REUTERS/Stephane Mahe/File Photo)
    There has been a data leak and it is big. ‘The Australian’ newspaper reported on Wednesday that over 22,000 pages detailing the combat and performance capabilities of six Scorpene-class submarines produced by India in partnership with French company DCNS have been leaked. India had signed a $3.5 billion deal in 2005 to build six Scorpene-class submarines, designed by the French company, at the Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited in Mumbai. The newspaper report has said the information is sensitive and highly classified.

    INS Kalvari, first of the Scorpene-class submarines, is expected to be inducted into the Indian Navy later this year.

    Stand of the Indian government

    Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said there has been a hacking and that a clear picture will emerge in the days to come.

    “I have asked the Navy chief to study the entire issue about what has been leaked, what is there about us and to what extent. It came to my knowledge at about 12 AM. What I understand is there is a hacking. So we will find out all this,” Parrikar told reporters in New Delhi.

    The Defence Minister said he does not suspect the leak to be 100 per cent since a lot of final integration lies with India.

    READ: All you need to know about the Navy’s stealth weapon

    What’s the nature of the data

    The data that has been leaked is reported to have details like specifications of the torpedo launch system, speed and condition needed for using the periscope and functioning of the above-water and underwater sensors. According to the report, the data tells the submarine crew where on the boat they can speak safely to avoid detection by the enemy.

    PTI said over 4,000 pages on the submarine’s combat management system are among the leaked information.

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    Indian Navy’s first Scorpene submarine of project 75 is seen after being undocked from Mazagon Docks Ltd, a naval vessel ship building yard, in Mumbai. (Express Photo by Ganesh Shirsekar)
    Source of the leak

    “The Australian” report claimed the data was most probably leaked not from India but from DCNS in France as it also includes separate confidential DCNS files on plans to sell French frigates to Chile and the French sale of the Mistral-class amphibious assault ship carrier to Russia. Since these projects of the DCNS have no link to India, there is high probability that the data files were removed from the company in France.

    But DCNS implied that the leak might have occurred at India’s end, rather than from France.

    “Uncontrolled technical data is not possible in the Australian arrangements,” the company said.

    Also read: Will probe leak, says DCNS

    “Multiple and independent controls exist within DCNS to prevent unauthorised access to data and all data movements are encrypted and recorded. In the case of India, where a DCNS design is built by a local company, DCNS is the provider and not the controller of technical data,” the company said.

    The data on the submarine was written in France for India in 2011 and is suspected of being removed from France in that same year by a former French Navy officer who was at that time a DCNS subcontractor.

    “The data is then believed to have been taken to a company in Southeast Asia, possibly to assist in a commercial venture for a regional navy. It was subsequently passed by a third party to a second company in the region before being sent on a data disk by regular mail to a company in Australia…It is unclear how widely the data has been shared in Asia or whether it has been obtained by foreign intelligence agencies,” the report said.


Fears in Australia

There are fears in Australia surrounding the security of data on the future fleet of its own Navy. French company DCNS had won the bid to design the new fleet of Australian $50 billion submarines.

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said it was important to note the submarine DCNS was building for India was a completely different model to the one it will build for Australia and the leaked information was a few years out of date, PTI reported.

“Nevertheless, any leak of classified information was a concern,” he was quoted as saying. The newspaper also said the company has assured Australia that the leak it has suffered in connection with the Indian submarines would not happen in the case of that country.

(With inputs from PTI)


http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ine-data-leak-indian-navy-dcns-facts-2993755/

DCNS has already thrown us to the dogs. :P ................ what a nice choice of 'partners'. With friends like these we don't need enemies.
 
See the highlighted. DCNS is blaming India.



Scorpene submarine data leak: Here’s what we know so far about the case
Scorpene Submarine data leak: Read all about Scorpene Submarine data scandal here. The Govt has launched a probe after the leak.
By: Express Web Desk
New Delhi Updated: Aug 24, 2016, 15:58


  • By: Express Web Desk | New Delhi | Updated: August 24, 2016 3:58 pm
    dcns-submarine-759.jpg

    lg.php

    An employee looks at the propeller of a Scorpene submarine at the industrial site of the naval defence company and shipbuilder DCNS in La Montagne near Nantes, France (REUTERS/Stephane Mahe/File Photo)
    There has been a data leak and it is big. ‘The Australian’ newspaper reported on Wednesday that over 22,000 pages detailing the combat and performance capabilities of six Scorpene-class submarines produced by India in partnership with French company DCNS have been leaked. India had signed a $3.5 billion deal in 2005 to build six Scorpene-class submarines, designed by the French company, at the Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited in Mumbai. The newspaper report has said the information is sensitive and highly classified.

    INS Kalvari, first of the Scorpene-class submarines, is expected to be inducted into the Indian Navy later this year.

    Stand of the Indian government

    Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said there has been a hacking and that a clear picture will emerge in the days to come.

    “I have asked the Navy chief to study the entire issue about what has been leaked, what is there about us and to what extent. It came to my knowledge at about 12 AM. What I understand is there is a hacking. So we will find out all this,” Parrikar told reporters in New Delhi.

    The Defence Minister said he does not suspect the leak to be 100 per cent since a lot of final integration lies with India.

    READ: All you need to know about the Navy’s stealth weapon

    What’s the nature of the data

    The data that has been leaked is reported to have details like specifications of the torpedo launch system, speed and condition needed for using the periscope and functioning of the above-water and underwater sensors. According to the report, the data tells the submarine crew where on the boat they can speak safely to avoid detection by the enemy.

    PTI said over 4,000 pages on the submarine’s combat management system are among the leaked information.

    scorpene2-1.jpg
    Indian Navy’s first Scorpene submarine of project 75 is seen after being undocked from Mazagon Docks Ltd, a naval vessel ship building yard, in Mumbai. (Express Photo by Ganesh Shirsekar)
    Source of the leak

    “The Australian” report claimed the data was most probably leaked not from India but from DCNS in France as it also includes separate confidential DCNS files on plans to sell French frigates to Chile and the French sale of the Mistral-class amphibious assault ship carrier to Russia. Since these projects of the DCNS have no link to India, there is high probability that the data files were removed from the company in France.

    But DCNS implied that the leak might have occurred at India’s end, rather than from France.

    “Uncontrolled technical data is not possible in the Australian arrangements,” the company said.

    Also read: Will probe leak, says DCNS

    “Multiple and independent controls exist within DCNS to prevent unauthorised access to data and all data movements are encrypted and recorded. In the case of India, where a DCNS design is built by a local company, DCNS is the provider and not the controller of technical data,” the company said.

    The data on the submarine was written in France for India in 2011 and is suspected of being removed from France in that same year by a former French Navy officer who was at that time a DCNS subcontractor.

    “The data is then believed to have been taken to a company in Southeast Asia, possibly to assist in a commercial venture for a regional navy. It was subsequently passed by a third party to a second company in the region before being sent on a data disk by regular mail to a company in Australia…It is unclear how widely the data has been shared in Asia or whether it has been obtained by foreign intelligence agencies,” the report said.


Fears in Australia

There are fears in Australia surrounding the security of data on the future fleet of its own Navy. French company DCNS had won the bid to design the new fleet of Australian $50 billion submarines.

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said it was important to note the submarine DCNS was building for India was a completely different model to the one it will build for Australia and the leaked information was a few years out of date, PTI reported.

“Nevertheless, any leak of classified information was a concern,” he was quoted as saying. The newspaper also said the company has assured Australia that the leak it has suffered in connection with the Indian submarines would not happen in the case of that country.

(With inputs from PTI)


http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ine-data-leak-indian-navy-dcns-facts-2993755/


The highlighted portion has no bearing on determining the source of leak. The whole data for Scorpene would have been generated in France (where it was designed) not India, and would have passed whole ecosystem of DCNS before being handed over to Mazgaon docks.
 
Yes.
Agosta is a 70' tech. Even the last version (90B used by ****) don't have the "skipjack" hull.
The nose for exemple isn't as pure as a Scorpene one : less effective, more noisy.
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Scorpene is a 2000' tech.
it must be ancient im surprised it moves. heck the last sub was ln service only 10 years.
im guessing the lower acoustic signature, increased diving depth, improved battery range and performance. Greater automation and the crew to be reduced from 54 to 36. that means nothing to you lot?
@Rashid Mahmood is the 90b 70's tech ?
 
the japanese may still be buthurt but now happy and making quiet visits to australia to push them in favour of the japs.
but it wont happen.
and the Germans will be like, what a coincidence and the Russians wouldn't care

Japanese? I d put my money on the Germans, they were the most hurt for losing the Australian contract.
 
DCNS has shot itself and its clients in the foot and now they are blaming the 'competition'. :P

I do not think too many people around the word would buy that story.
 
Source based News - Part 1
Some information has come out from the emergency meeting held on this topic

Indian Navy Chief in the high profile emergency meeting have stated
  1. Prelim analysis suggests No operational capability is compromised
  2. The leak documents looks like operational manual of 2011
  3. Present trials have upgraded the manuals and many parts changed/modified with local indian parts.
  4. Many systems and subsystems have been upgraded beyond the first version of the operational manual
  5. No key frequencies are leaked. They are 2 levels above the "restricted" classification.
  6. Chief wants a Indian official to visit DCNS office in France to probe and find the source of the leak in their side.
  7. He asserted that we should have more scorpenes as they are vital for our Under Water capability.
DM MP has updated PM NaMo and have advised caution bcz of the nature of India France cooperation in Aircrafts, Submarines, Missiles, Nuclear energy, Clean energy/solar power, civilian investments and smart city projects. He has requested a senior person to have a discussion with French government on this.

+++
@Vergennes @MilSpec @Abingdonboy @Spectre @anant_s @Nilgiri @hellfire @all others
 
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This is the key thing. If DM can state this in Parliament then I am good..

Doesn't mean, DCNS gets off the hook - they must be penalized but National Security wise I am relieved.
I am sure he will make a statement in the floor of the parliament but will say probe/investigation is also ordered and floor will be updated on this.

I am sure DCNS will be taken to task away from public eyes.. and this will be done via French government..

Imagine the situation .. Prez elections there in 2017. This is a huge political blow out bcz Prez Hollande is banking on defence contract achievements for a show of strength that economy and employment is taken care of properly. Its for sure they will play it down and find "someone" and say leak is plugged.. But in all probability for continuous support of India there will be some compromise and bargaining...
 
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@dadeechi

Here is what our good friends from congress are saying.. enjoy the muck being thrown.. suddenly its another political slug fest,,,

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 1h1 hour ago
Nat'l security gravely compromised with shocking leaks of specifications of Scorpene submarine: Cong #ScorpeneLeak

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TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 1h1 hour ago
Nearly 22400 pages were leaked, of Project 75,carrying emblem of Indian Navy. This is biggest disaster in recent times: Cong #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 1h1 hour ago
This leak has put question mark on India's maritime security. It has jeopardised the initiative to build 6 Scorpene subs:Cong #ScorpeneLeak


TIMES NOWVerified account‏@TimesNow
The cost of the 6 submarines cost US$ 3.5 billion. These are currently being built at Mumbai: Randeep Surjewala #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 45m45 minutes ago
Despite this blunder, which has hurt our def preparedness, explanation of Modi's Def Min is that it is a case of hacking: Cong #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 45m45 minutes ago
Defence Minister & Indian Navy are saying the leak is possibly from a source outside India: Randeep Surjewala #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 43m43 minutes ago
Defence Minister, Modi Govt & Navy are engaged in an operation to cover up instead of fixing responsibility: Randeep Surjewala #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 43m43 minutes ago
Navy & Defence Min continue to speak in a conflicting voice. One calls it hacking, other calls it a leak: Randeep Surjewala #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 42m42 minutes ago
Govt has gone on overdrive to say that these leaks have not compromised the operation capabilities: Randeep Surjewala #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 41m41 minutes ago
The French company have issued a statement hinting that they leak happened in India: Randeep Surjewala #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 41m41 minutes ago
They said multiple & independent controls exist to prevent unauthorised access to data & all data movements are encrypted:Cong #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 40m40 minutes ago
In the case of India, DCNS is provider not controlling of data. Clearly hinting that the leak happened in India: Cong #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 41m41 minutes ago
With a 7500 km coastline to defend, with 14 subs, it appears Modi Govt is living in denial vis-a-vis security of India: Cong #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 40m40 minutes ago
This alarming situation requires complete security of the audit of Min of Defence. This can only establish the source: Cong #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 40m40 minutes ago
Such a leak cannot be found by simply calling it hacking. Can they do so without conducting an inquiry?: Cong #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 39m39 minutes ago
It is intriguing how clean chits are being meted out without the matter event being looked at by anybody: Cong #ScorpeneLeak

TIMES NOW ‏@TimesNow 39m39 minutes ago
What steps has the Modi Govt taken to ensure that this info has not already gone into the hands of the hostile nations: Cong #ScorpeneLeak


I am sure he will make a statement in the floor of the parliament but will say probe/investigation is also ordered and floor will be updated on this.

I am sure DCNS will be taken to task away from public eyes.. and this will be done via French government..

Imagine the situation .. Prez elections there in 2017. This is a huge political blow out bcz Prez Hollande is banking on defence contract achievements for a show of strength that economy and employment is taken care of properly. Its for sure they will play it down and find "someone" and say leak is plugged.. But in all probability for continuous support of India there will be some compromise and bargaining...

Congress would be so praying for leak to have originated from Indian side.

+ I do not think defence contracts play any role in elections of any country.
 
Leaked documents about French naval contractor DCNS' Scorpene submarines appear to be neither critical nor confidential, a source close to the matter said on Wednesday.

"It seems to be sensitive information but appears neither critical nor confidential," the source told Reuters on condition of anonymity.



(Reporting by Cyril Altmeyer; writing by Michel Rose; editing by Richard Lough)

http://in.reuters.com/article/franc...CN10Z1CH?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social


@PARIKRAMA @Nilgiri @Abingdonboy

 
Leaked documents about French naval contractor DCNS' Scorpene submarines appear to be neither critical nor confidential, a source close to the matter said on Wednesday.

"It seems to be sensitive information but appears neither critical nor confidential," the source told Reuters on condition of anonymity.



(Reporting by Cyril Altmeyer; writing by Michel Rose; editing by Richard Lough)

http://in.reuters.com/article/franc...CN10Z1CH?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social


@PARIKRAMA @Nilgiri @Abingdonboy
I said it here
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https://defence.pk/threads/sensitiv...submarines-leaked.445677/page-14#post-8608841


It would be nice if we can keep it together there..

@waz @WAJsal @WebMaster
Can you merge this thread with the main thread
https://defence.pk/threads/sensitive-data-of-indian-navy’s-scorpene-class-submarines-leaked.445677/

also pls merge this as well
https://defence.pk/threads/frances-dcns-does-not-rule-out-economic-war-after-documents-leak.445780/

Regards,
 
Source based News - Part 1
Some information has come out from the emergency meeting held on this topic

Indian Navy Chief in the high profile emergency meeting have stated
  1. Prelim analysis suggests No operational capability is compromised
  2. The leak documents looks like operational manual of 2011
  3. Present trials have upgraded the manuals and many parts changed/modified with local indian parts.
  4. Many systems and subsystems have been upgraded beyond the first version of the operational manual
  5. No key frequencies are leaked. They are 2 levels above the "restricted" classification.
  6. Chief wants a Indian official to visit DCNS office in France to probe and find the source of the leak in their side.
  7. He asserted that we should have more scorpenes as they are vital for our Under Water capability.
DM MP has updated PM NaMo and have advised caution bcz of the nature of India France cooperation in Aircrafts, Submarines, Missiles, Nuclear energy, Clean energy/solar power, civilian investments and smart city projects. He has requested a senior person to have a discussion with French government on this.

+++
@Vergennes @MilSpec @Abingdonboy @Spectre @anant_s @Nilgiri @hellfire @all others

Continuing from earlier post quoted above

Source based information - part 2
Some More information from a very senior Indian Navy official who is briefing IN Chief on continuous basis based on hourly analysis of the data leaked..
  1. Classification of information leaked is non catastrophic.
  2. Most important things which are not compromised includes Radiated Noise Pattern or Acoustic Signature
  3. The acoustic signature is recorded and added to own library only after
    • extensive sea trials
    • after performing successfully radiated noise spectrum analysis under different standard conditions
  4. Minor changes which occurs in every operation to operation includes Sonar Frequency and ELF LF Communication frequency both are not compromised.
  5. He has confirmed no tactical advantage is lost on any encounter on sea condition to IN chief and the same is briefed to DM MP
@Vergennes @MilSpec @Abingdonboy @Spectre @anant_s @Nilgiri @anant_s @hellfire @Taygibay @Picdelamirand-oil @randomradio @Shankranthi @others

tagging you to sven @Olaf One-Brow - you can give better insights on this..
 

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