Senate body declines funds for submarines purchase

[Yeti]

ISLAMABAD (Online) – The senate standing committee on defence and defence production has said that recommendations for buying submarines cannot be forwarded to the government due to economic crunch in the country.
The committee which met in parliament house here on Friday under the chair of Senator Lt Gen (r) Javid Ashraf Qazi, observed that due to economic crisis in Pakistan, recommendations for issuing funds to the Pakistan Navy (PN) for buying submarines was not possible.
The in-camera meeting of the committee also stressed need for preferring local products as far as purchase for defence purposes is concerned.
Earlier the standing committee was briefed about the purchase of the equipments and machinery for the armed forces. Briefing the committee on its ongoing and new schemes for the Navy, the concerned official said the fourth frigate, which was produced domestically, would be handed over to the PN in June.
The committee was also informed that production of Fast Missile Carrier Crafts (FMCC) was also in process. Talking to the media after the meeting, Qazi said the PN was instructed to plan its schemes in view of its needs for next 25 years.


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[ANG]

Hi Mr. Yeti, this point is already being debated in the following thread. Yes, it is sad, but there appears to be no funds for the submarines.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/97041-pakistan-acquire-six-submarines-china-6.html

 

[Rafi]

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency )

The minister said that China has offered to sell six submarines to Pakistan, and the Cabinet has given go ahead to the Ministry of Defence to hold talks however before preparation of feasibility report no further comment was possible.

Apparently our Chinese Brothers are willing to offer a very good deal.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Long live the "People" Party's Government!

 

[Areesh]

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency )

The minister said that China has offered to sell six submarines to Pakistan, and the Cabinet has given go ahead to the Ministry of Defence to hold talks however before preparation of feasibility report no further comment was possible.

Apparently our Chinese Brothers are willing to offer a very good deal.

Thanks for the post Rafi. This is exactly what I was talking about. If Pakistan didn't had any money then why it would go and talk to Chinese for purchase of subs. I you don't have any money you don't go to shopping center, do you???

The fact is that Pakistan wants to get the best deal possible which will be feasible both financially and militarily. As we have a history of buying weapons with soft loans from China, so look like that it would be the same case in this deal too.

 

[muse]

Cabinet okays talks with China for six submarines

* Expresses solidarity with Japanese earthquake victims, assures them of Pakistan’s support

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: The federal cabinet on Monday gave a go ahead to the Defence Ministry for holding talks for the purchase of six state-of-the-art submarines from China to boost its under-sea warfare capabilities.

Minister for Information and Broadcasting, Dr Firdaus Ashiq Awan, told reporters after the cabinet meeting that Beijing had offered to sell submarines to Islamabad. The Ministry of Defence would hold talks for this purpose. Dr Firdaus said that at this stage it was not possible to share details as the process of preparation of the project’s feasibility had yet to be started.

She said that the cabinet expressed deep solidarity with the earthquake victims of Japan and assured the Japanese people and the government that Pakistan was with them in their hour of trial. She said that the government of Pakistan was ready to help the Japanese and would dispatch medical relief, mobile hospitals and all available resources to them.

Dr Firdaus informed that two C-130 planes were ready to leave for Japan and are waiting for clearance for take-off. She remarked that Pak-Japan friendship is time-tested, as Japan has always helped Pakistan when needed. “We have strong bonds of strategic and economic ties,” she said.

The minister said the cabinet also reviewed the implementation of its decisions by the ministries and made sure that no pending work was left. The recommendations of the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) were fully endorsed by the cabinet, she added.

She informed that the cabinet also reviewed some memorandums of understanding (MoUs) with different countries.

These MoUs include the purchase of conventional submarines from China, which is part of defence cooperation between the two countries, she added. The minister informed media men that after consultations between the two countries, Pakistan would purchase six submarines from China.

The other MoUs include Pak-Turkey cooperation for the promotion of youth exchanges and establishment of joint cooperation with Ukraine. The cabinet also discussed the enhancement of arts and creative study with Sri Lanka, she remarked.

About the Kerry-Lugar Bill, the minister informed that the cabinet had ratified the bill under which the US would provide $1.5 billion annually and $7.5 billion in five years. She informed that the cabinet also proposed amendment in the Bar Council Act, 1973, under which anyone could provide direct financial support to the bars in the country. Dr Firdaus said that the cabinet was also briefed about the Libyan crisis and it was informed that up till now 4,900 Pakistanis have been safely repatriated from the country.

The minister said that the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs, Hina Rabbani Khar, had briefed the cabinet about the recent meeting of the Gulf Cooperation Council, which supports Pakistan’s vision for peace in the region. She said that Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani informed the cabinet about the political situation in the country including the issue of Saraiki province.

 

[ANG]

Hi, I agree that Pakistan should not be taking any type of loans, even if they are soft loans. It is like offering a drug addict free crack cocaine with the option to pay later. However, if they are hell bent of buying submarines, China and soft loans is the only viable option.

There are a lot of unknowns about these Chinese subs. I assume they will be based on the improved Yuan, but with Pakistani requirements. I am sure one of them will be the ability to lauch a LACM like the Babur. Also the improved Yuan, like the U214, has the ability to engage low flying objects.

 

[Penguin]

Hi, I agree that Pakistan should not be taking any type of loans, even if they are soft loans. It is like offering a drug addict free crack cocaine with the option to pay later. However, if they are hell bent of buying submarines, China and soft loans is the only viable option.

There are a lot of unknowns about these Chinese subs. I assume they will be based on the improved Yuan, but with Pakistani requirements. I am sure one of them will be the ability to lauch a LACM like the Babur. Also the improved Yuan, like the U214, has the ability to engage low flying objects.

With what exactly? What is the source for this?

 

[ANG]

Hi, kindly please read the section on the improved Yuan and look at the picture of the U214.

Chinese Navy

http://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.com/2009/08/04/choosing-french-submarine-over-german-rational-decision-or-risking-pakistani-defence/

 

[Penguin]

Hi, kindly please read the section on the improved Yuan and look at the picture of the U214.

Chinese Navy

Choosing French Submarine over German? Rational decision or risking Pakistani defence ? « Pakistan Ka Khuda Hafiz

That's all very well but on Huitong's site it only says that the so-called Improved Yuan has a sail that appears wider but more hydrodynamically streamlined and stretched compared to that of 039A. It is then speculated that it might house a short-range SAM system for self-protection against slow-moving ASW aircraft.

Your other link about the U-214 depicts the IDAS missile system. IDAS (Interactive Defence and Attack System for Submarines) is a short-range missile (based on the IRIS-T air-to-air missile) currently being developed for the new Type 212 submarine class of the German Navy. IDAS is fibre-optic guided and officially has a range of approx. 20 km.
The IDAS system is also the world's first[citation needed] missile which gives submarines the capability to engage air threats, and the first tube-launched missile that does not emerge in a capsule, but is fired directly from the torpedo tubes. IDAS has been trialled aboard the German U-212 class subs (but is not 'in service', it certainly isn't standard armament on German, let alone other nation's subs). There is nothing to suggest the Chinese have developed a similar system. At best, I would expect Improved Yuan to mount a retractable pedestal mount for a MANPADs.
Akin to the UK's Blowpipe version that was developed as a SAM for submarines, fitted as a cluster of four missiles into a mast that could be raised from the submarine's conning tower under the name Submarine Launched Airflight Missile (SLAM) trialled on HMS Aeneas (P427) in 1972.

IDAS: Diehl BGT Defence | IRIS-T Family

Hence my questions about the source of the earlier statement about Improved Yuan's alledged capability