Secular West Bengal on fire again

[LaBong]

Yes attack on Hindus in India doesn't deserve to be discussed, a secular silence is deterrent enough to counter growing Hindu intolerance.

It does, headline is misleading is all Im saying. There are thousands of such communal incidents everyday. Goi doesnt even include those in stats where no one is killed. India is a messed up place, bengal is not in fire.

It was not secularism that finished Zoroastrians, in fact it was very far from it.

That is the worst argument for secularism ever coming from the esteemed tt.

 

[ranjeet]

It does, headline is misleading is all Im saying. There are thousands of such communal incidents everyday. Goi doesnt even include those in stats where no one is killed. India is a messed up place, bengal is not in fire.

Secular folks injured making secular stuff while the Dhimmis washing their shit stained underwear.

"the dead have been identified as Niloo Sheikh and Faizul Sheikh, the injured have been identified as Nabi Sheikh and Injajul Alam,

One of the injured is a relative of Nafozul Alam, a zonal president of Trinamool Congress, the police said."

2 Killed, 3 Injured In Bomb Explosion In West Bengal's Malda District

 

[Sharpshooter12]

If Tiwari was arrested for inciting violence or hate speech then I don't see any justification for this violence and protest. The demands for hanging him is unjustified, India is constitutionally a secular country with a clear Hindu majority, we can't expect it to act as an Islamic republic. Looting, burning or damaging state property is not only a crime but a sin as well, so these Muslim protesters should be dealt harshly.

The better way will be to grow a pair of b**** and kill the maloon.

 

[jamahir]

India is a secular country with freedom of expression, one can speak his mind here; whether it is calling prophet Muhammad the first homosexual or suggesting to piss on Hindu idols or drawing Maa Saraswati nude. Mr.Tiwari shouldn't be in jail.

funny that though you make this in bold and say lot of grand things about india, three progressives/rationalists have been murdered by the sangh since 2013 for saying much less than the underlined.

one of your thankers is @ranjeet ... when a dalit student/intellectual in karnataka was threatened by bajrang dal terrorists with finger chop-chop some months ago for writing against the caste system and brahminical oppression, ranjeet brushed away the incident saying that they only applied vermilion on his forehead and gave him a gentle warning... even a "gentle warning" by the bajrang dal would constitute a crime.

as for kamlesh tiwari's ignorant statement, any old-style desi socialist muslim could have put him in place in a intellectual debate, but sadly the media channels that the mob-minded jobnik middle-class watches, are generally sensationalist or pro-sangh ones like "zee news" and "aaj tak" who purposely bring in some half-baked mullah to talk on behalf of islam.

 

[ni8mare]

It was not secularism that finished Zoroastrians, in fact it was very far from it.

 

[LaBong]

Secular folks injured making secular stuff while the Dhimmis washing their shit stained underwear.

"the dead have been identified as Niloo Sheikh and Faizul Sheikh, the injured have been identified as Nabi Sheikh and Injajul Alam,

One of the injured is a relative of Nafozul Alam, a zonal president of Trinamool Congress, the police said."

2 Killed, 3 Injured In Bomb Explosion In West Bengal's Malda District

Two different incidents, lol are you googling for things you can post against bengal! watch **** instead, seriously. Even pakistanis are not that jobless.

 

[ranjeet]

Two different incidents, lol are you googling for things you can post against bengal! watch **** instead, seriously. Even pakistanis are not that jobless.

I know being a Dhimmi it 24/7 hour job. Trust me when I say am turning green in envy.

one of your thankers is @ranjeet ... when a dalit student/intellectual in karnataka was threatened by bajrang dal terrorists with finger chop-chop some months ago for writing against the caste system and brahminical oppression, ranjeet brushed away the incident saying that they only applied vermilion on his forehead and gave him a gentle warning... even a "gentle warning" by the bajrang dal would constitute a crime.

Says a guy who believes Muslims burned the train in Godhara because Hindus molested a girl on the station.

 

[ni8mare]

the mob-minded jobnik middle-class watches

I think its better than eating on parents money ...........but some are product of indian tradition just could not still get away with this

 

[jamahir]

It was not secularism that finished Zoroastrians, in fact it was very far from it.

in india, how about unwillingness of zoroastrians ( the parsis ) to mingle with other religious communities plus unwillingness to have more children and when some do mingle, the willingness of the parsi elders to excommunicate[1] the inter-marrying couples...

Wants protection for the initiation ceremony of her children born of a Catholic father after threats from disapproving community elders

By Manoj Nair / Mumbai Mirror

A Parsi woman and her non-Zoroastrian husband, who planned the Navjot or initiation ceremony of their two children – a seven-year-old boy and a 10-year-old girl – into the Zoroastrian faith have approached police for security during the event. They fear community members opposing the initiation of children from mixed parentage into the faith could disrupt it.

The couple told the Bandra police on Monday about a relative receiving phone threats, as the children’s father was Catholic and not Zoroastrian.

The couple, who live on Grant Road, said the decision to initiate their children into the Zoroastrian faith was a joint one. “However, after we sent out invites, a close relative received a call from the chairman of the Bombay Parsi Punchayet, who wanted to know whether the children had been baptised into the Catholic faith before. They have not been baptised. Nobody can stop us from conducting the ceremony. I have approached the police for help, as I do not want any untoward incident at a function where there will be children,” said the wife, who runs a travel agency.

Says a guy who believes Muslims burned the train in Godhara because Hindus molested a girl on the station.

i never said muslims burned that train... the investigation committee set up by laloo prasad yadav when he was railway minister also did not conclude that.

but how is this relevant to what i said in previous post??

I think its better than eating on parents money ...........but some are product of indian tradition just could not still get away with this

arre mian, those jobniks should be blaming their parents who had at least 30 years to either create a socialist welfare state ( in which money doesn't decide everything ) or abolish money system internally and under socialist guidance... at least 30 years and they failed.

when money is really a anti-natural and obsolete concept, how can someone make a virtue out of earning it ( only because of india's capitalist system ) instead of spending time in talking and doing progressive politics??


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[1] Parsi lady seeks cop cover for Navjot of kids - Parsi Khabar

 

[dray]

Unlike Kashmiris, Bengalis know how to fight. At least they knew how to fight.

So maybe Bengal will reach a tipping point ...?

Depends. Contrary to the common belief Bengalis are actually quite aggressive people, just look at our bloody (literally) and violent political scene. or the naxal movement, Bengalis can group around a 'valid cause', as identified by the people with leadership qualities and a following, and fight for it, independence of India was certainly one such valid cause, 'samyavad' was one such cause for many Bengalis...but fighting on communal lines isn't perceived as one such cause. So, I am not sure if we will fight or we will advocate a further division of Bengal if it ever comes to that. As of now, Bengalis don't talk about it in open forums as it is perceived as 'uncool' and brings down the social and intelligent quotient of the individual in the social groups, though there is a slow change in recent times as the threat of the radical elements are becoming evident.

Rain Man knows what im talking about.

Which incident in Kolkata you are mentioning, the last one that happened a few months back over that train incident at Sealdah?

Ok i thought I was replying to rain man when I brought up anandabazar et al. Moral of the story I will believe main stream media in bengal who are not known for suppressing stories than random Twitter accounts who are known for spreading rumours when it comes to Bengal.

No, local Bengali media actually suppresses all communal incidents in Bengal, otherwise communal incidents in Bengal are among the highest in India, and it is rising since TMC came to power. Many major incidents like the Canning riots got reported in English media, but local media barely reported it.

But cmp is ruled by old idealistic fools who don't have what it takes to beat the witch. New gen people like you wasting your time in bjp instead of initiating a new movement which would socially left and economically right.

Then we need to form a new party.

 

[LaBong]

but fighting on communal lines isn't perceived as one such cause.

Kolkata riot was one of bloodiest in india before partition. It is only because of Gandhi that bengal averted a bloodbath similar to punjab. It's quite strange than gandhi wasn't lynched in noyakhali at the first place.

 

[Paranoid Android]

funny that though you make this in bold and say lot of grand things about india, three progressives/rationalists have been murdered by the sangh since 2013 for saying much less than the underlined.

one of your thankers is @ranjeet ... when a dalit student/intellectual in karnataka was threatened by bajrang dal terrorists with finger chop-chop some months ago for writing against the caste system and brahminical oppression, ranjeet brushed away the incident saying that they only applied vermilion on his forehead and gave him a gentle warning... even a "gentle warning" by the bajrang dal would constitute a crime.

as for kamlesh tiwari's ignorant statement, any old-style desi socialist muslim could have put him in place in a intellectual debate, but sadly the media channels that the mob-minded jobnik middle-class watches, are generally sensationalist or pro-sangh ones like "zee news" and "aaj tak" who purposely bring in some half-baked mullah to talk on behalf of islam.

Man I am a dalit & don't bring dalit politics.We are Hindus & every dalit thinks such way believe me.This kind of politics are better suited for very few uneducated leaders,most Muslim people who drips crocodile's tears naming us for politics & media which does for trp.There is hardly any discrimination of dalit.Do you remember same way the Christian professor's hands were chopped off by Muslims in Kerala?
How come it doesn't bother you what today happened?Few kilometers away from my native place your Muslim brothers molested Hindu's mothers sisters & ransacked house,beat up police...How do you define it?They don't care whether we are dalit or not..

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Depends. Contrary to the common belief Bengalis are actually quite aggressive people, just look at our bloody (literally) and violent political scene. or the naxal movement, Bengalis can group around a 'valid cause', as identified by the people with leadership qualities and a following, and fight for it, independence of India was certainly one such valid cause, 'samyavad' was one such cause for many Bengalis...but fighting on communal lines isn't perceived as one such cause. So, I am not sure if we will fight or we will advocate a further division of Bengal if it ever comes to that. As of now, Bengalis don't talk about it in open forums as it is perceived as 'uncool' and brings down the social and intelligent quotient of the individual in the social groups, though there is a slow change in recent times as the threat of the radical elements are becoming evident.



Which incident in Kolkata you are mentioning, the last one that happened a few months back over that train incident at Sealdah?



No, local Bengali media actually suppresses all communal incidents in Bengal, otherwise communal incidents in Bengal are among the highest in India, and it is rising since TMC came to power. Many major incidents like the Canning riots got reported in English media, but local media barely reported it.



Then we need to form a new party.

Yeah, perhaps defending the local ethos/culture/Hindu-ness/etc(whatever you call it) had been looked down upon when compared with other goals like socialism/etc. But if the push comes to shove do you think all Bengali Hindus will respond like LaBong, or will there be more ShyamaPrasads?

I don't call for any division of Bengal or any Indian ang - that was done enough.

 

[LaBong]

Which incident in Kolkata you are mentioning, the last one that happened a few months back over that train incident at Sealdah?

There was some protests in park circus few months ago after rail police detained some muslim kids with a moulavi. They blocked a road and had some usual run ins with police. I opened twitter to see that a major riot has going on in Kolkata and most of the kolkata is burning. The rumour started by a sanghi journalist and was retweeted by heavyweights likes kanchan gupta, gaurav sawant etc. Was worried for my parents and woke them up in middle of the night to find out nothing happened.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Kolkata riot was one of bloodiest in india before partition. It is only because of Gandhi that bengal averted a bloodbath similar to punjab. It's quite strange than gandhi wasn't lynched in noyakhali at the first place.

What do you say about this piece -

'Gandhi's stay in Noakhali was resented by the Muslim leadership. On 12 February 1947, while addressing a rally at Comilla, A. K. Fazlul Huq stated that Gandhi's presence in Noakhali had harmed Islam enormously. His presence had created a bitterness between the Hindus and the Muslims. The resentment against Gandhi's stay in Noakhali grew day by day. Towards the end of February 1947 it became vulgar. Gandhi's route was deliberately dirtied everyday and the Muslims began to boycott his meetings.Gandhi took a goat from India. He kept that goat with him in Noakhali. Local Muslims stole that goat and ate it. Mohandas Gandhi discontinued his mission halfway and started for Bihar on 2 March 1947 at the request of the Muslim League leaders of Bengal. On 7 April, more than a month after leaving Noakhali, Gandhi received telegrams from Congress party workers in Noakhali, describing attempts to burn Hindus alive. He stated that the situation in Noakhali demands that the Hindus should either quit or perish.'