Secretary of State Clinton will visit to Vietnam

[EastSea]

In the US and west they don't even try to hide their feelings towards Asian people. Just watch Hollywood and you will understand. In western society, Asians are presented as inferior and weak. Western culture encourages their society to mock Asians and if any Asian person don't like it or speak out, they are racist and will be told to "go back to Asia".



You are mistaken the 'aggression' with defense. There is a reason why China is being more assertive now they the US is more blatant about containing China. Vietnam and Philippines are small countries and is unfortunate that they are in the way but China will not back down now. The US must leave Asia.

China propaganda brain washed chinese people with lies. It's reported that last opinion servey of global Time in China 80% chinese supported to use force with Phi and Viet in disputed Islands in SCS. Only 16 % votes against such idiot action.
I believe that 16 % of such chinese, are literate people. Regretfully, they don't have power in china.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Vietnam has gotten nothing. Not a single U.S. dollar in military aid or compensation for Agent Orange.

Secretary Clinton keeps talking and visiting, but nothing ever happens.

At least the Filipinos received a World War II 3,200-ton Hamilton-class cutter from the U.S. Coast Guard, which is now the flagship (albeit old and decrepit) in the Filipino navy.

Vietnam is not a U.S. ally, so we do not expect the American aid.
What we expect is to strengthen cooperation of the two countries based on mutual interests and mutual benefits, also known as "win-win".
Currently, the U.S. is the most important market of Vietnam, and the United States is taking steps toward ASEAN market ...
The United States also is one of the biggest investors in Vietnam, which create jobs for millions of people ...
The US is also favored destinations of Vietnamese students ...

 

[EastSea]

Who's the Vietnamese patriot?

The mindless warmonger that will lead Vietnam to a crushing defeat at the hands of China or the reasonable Viet seeking a compromise solution?

There are only two choices. The hawkish Viets that will lead to inevitable war with China. You get one guess who wins the war. Or the smart Viet that navigates the treacherous waters.

China is a military superpower. If roused to anger, China will crush you Viets mercilessly. Think of Johnson Reef in 1988 times 1,000.

Your toning is confirm aggressive mentality of such extremist in china. We have one choice only to overcome all the difficulties to defend and protect sovereignty of our country.

 

[Martian2]

Vietnam is not a U.S. ally, so we do not expect the American aid.
What we expect is to strengthen cooperation of the two countries based on mutual interests and mutual benefits, also known as "win-win".
Currently, the U.S. is the most important market of Vietnam, and the United States is taking steps toward ASEAN market ...
The United States also is one of the biggest investors in Vietnam, which create jobs for millions of people ...
The US is also favored destinations of Vietnamese students ...

How does this help Vietnam in the South China Sea dispute with China? It doesn't. Does it?

We're back to my point. Secretary Clinton's visit is fluff.

She'll say a few nice words and you Viets will still be staring into the barrel of Chinese naval guns.

 

[EastSea]

I guess he is a han (or his parents, his grandparents) who lived in Vietnam before 1975, then running to the U.S with his boss after the failure in 1975... ironically

If his parent have been living in Vietnam before 1975, he should be Cantonese or Fujian ren, no Han.

 

[Martian2]

If his parent have been living in Vietnam before 1975, he should be Cantonese or Fujian ren.

No, he's the smartest Viet out of your bunch (see question below). You guys sound like Nehru before 1962. You are on the precipice of a crushing military defeat by China that will scar you for at least a generation.

Let me put it this way. China has a full set of chess pieces. Vietnam has two pawns. No one doubts the outcome of the chess match. The only question is whether Vietnam will hold out for one week or will it be two weeks. Also, will China level Hanoi to teach you a lesson.

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Who's the Vietnamese patriot?

The mindless warmonger that will lead Vietnam to a crushing defeat at the hands of China or the reasonable Viet seeking a compromise solution?

There are only two choices. The hawkish Viets that will lead to inevitable war with China. You get one guess who wins the war. Or the smart Viet that navigates the treacherous waters.

China is a military superpower. If roused to anger, China will crush you Viets mercilessly. Think of Johnson Reef in 1988 times 1,000.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

How does this help Vietnam in the South China Sea dispute with China? It doesn't. Does it?

We're back to my point. Secretary Clinton's visit is fluff.

She'll say a few nice words and you Viets will still be staring into the barrel of Chinese naval guns.

I do not know the leaders are discussing or not about the East Sea, but a thing is sure they will witness the signing of trade, investment and education...
Then they continued to meet in Phnom Penh to attend the regional security forum.

Welcome to Vietnam, U.S Secretary of State Clinton!

 

[Martian2]

I do not know the leaders are discussing or not about the East Sea, but a thing is sure they will witness the signing of trade, investment and education...
Then they continued to meet in Phnom Penh to attend the regional security forum.

Welcome to Vietnam, U.S Secretary of State Clinton!

Are you going to greet her and ask her for compensation for the millions of Vietnamese victims of Agent Orange and DDT?

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

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Who's the Vietnamese patriot?

The mindless warmonger that will lead Vietnam to a crushing defeat at the hands of China or the reasonable Viet seeking a compromise solution?

There are only two choices. The hawkish Viets that will lead to inevitable war with China. You get one guess who wins the war. Or the smart Viet that navigates the treacherous waters.

China is a military superpower. If roused to anger, China will crush you Viets mercilessly. Think of Johnson Reef in 1988 times 1,000.

We have no concept of warmonger or nationalism, we simply protect our legitimate territory.
We protect territorial waters and islands of Vietnam with the support of international laws, especially UNCLOS1982.

Are you going to greet her and ask her for compensation for the millions of Vietnamese victims of Agent Orange and DDT?

More a silly question.

 

[Martian2]

We have no concept of warmonger or nationalism, we simply protect our legitimate territory.

More a silly question.

1. That's what the Indian nationalists kept repeating until China crushed them in 1962. I can see that you want a repeat of 1988 Johnson Reef battle on a much larger scale. Trust me, China will oblige you.

2. Why is it a silly question? What kind of Vietnamese nationalist does not care about compensation for millions of Vietnamese victims?

As a Han nationalist, I castigate the Japanese at every opportunity for their refusal to compensate Chinese victims of World War II.

I have proudly donated money to the Sichuan earthquake victims.

I also proudly withheld every cent from Japanese earthquake and tsunami victims. No Japanese apology and compensation for World War II equal no sympathy from me for any Japanese.

You and I seem to have a very different understanding of the concept of nationalism. You seem to not care and throw your fellow Vietnamese under the bus. I have lost any respect that I had for you.

 

[EastSea]

No, he's the smartest Viet out of your bunch (see question below). You guys sound like Nehru before 1962. You are on the precipice of a crushing military defeat by China that will scar you for at least a generation.

Let me put it this way. China has a full set of chess pieces. Vietnam has two pawns. No one doubts the outcome of the chess match. The only question is whether Vietnam will hold out for one week or will it be two weeks. Also, will China level Hanoi to teach you a lesson.

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Who's the Vietnamese patriot?

The mindless warmonger that will lead Vietnam to a crushing defeat at the hands of China or the reasonable Viet seeking a compromise solution?

There are only two choices. The hawkish Viets that will lead to inevitable war with China. You get one guess who wins the war. Or the smart Viet that navigates the treacherous waters.

China is a military superpower. If roused to anger, China will crush you Viets mercilessly. Think of Johnson Reef in 1988 times 1,000.

Your brain is empty, no thing more than dayly bullying and bullying.
Chinese prefer to saying about chess playing but Han chinese are cheated by Jews, Henry Kissinger 1972. China acepted that Taiwan is separate from mainland. It's enough for Taiwan become independence slowly from mainland china with protection of Uncle Sam. The chess game is not over, is just beginning.
If you are living in US try your best to learn more, don't repeat here idiot threat or bully what education system in china brainwashed Chinese people. It's boring.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Who's the Vietnamese patriot?

The mindless warmonger that will lead Vietnam to a crushing defeat at the hands of China or the reasonable Viet seeking a compromise solution?

There are only two choices. The hawkish Viets that will lead to inevitable war with China. You get one guess who wins the war. Or the smart Viet that navigates the treacherous waters.

China is a military superpower. If roused to anger, China will crush you Viets mercilessly. Think of Johnson Reef in 1988 times 1,000.

Who is the Chinese patriotic?

Those who think today China is a supipower, it has the right to invite international bids on another country's EEZ.

Those who think today China is a supipower, it has the right to claim the EEZ of other countries.

Those who think today China is a supipower, it has the right to paint a map so monstrous nine dots cover the entire South China Sea, even if it overrides the other country's beaches.

Those who think today China is a supipower, it has the right to claim the islands of other countries.

They are paranoid...

 

[Martian2]

Who is the Chinese patriotic?

Those who think today China is a supipower, it has the right to invite international bids on another country's EEZ.

Those who think today China is a supipower, it has the right to claim the EEZ of other countries.

Those who think today China is a supipower, it has the right to paint a map so monstrous nine dots cover the entire South China Sea, even if it overrides the other country's beaches.

Those who think today China is a supipower, it has the right to claim the islands of other countries.

They are paranoid...

Come on!

Do you want me to repost Article 15 of UNCLOS, which excludes prior historical title/claim? A Vietnamese EEZ does not apply.

How many times do I have to keep posting Article 15 of UNCLOS? Can you guys read?

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Article 15 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea

"Article 15 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea stipulates that the delineation rule for overlapping territorial sea claims does not apply to areas of historical title. These islands have been inhabited by Chinese for over 500 years, and have been under Guangzhou’s jurisdiction to protect and assist those inhabitants for over 50 years. Historic Right plus decades of silence in the face of a public declaration of the map amount to acquiescence. Ergo, the dotted line has been recognized for half a century.

Reference: 'Epsey Cooke Farrell, The Socialist Republic of Vietnam and the Law of the Sea (The Hague: Martinus Nijhoff Publishers, 1998), 68–69.'”

[Note: Thank you to Luke for the post.]

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"Article15

Delimitation of the territorial sea between States

with opposite or adjacent coasts

Where the coasts of two States are opposite or adjacent to each other, neither of the two States is entitled, failing agreement between them to the contrary, to extend its territorial sea beyond the median line every point of which is equidistant from the nearest points on the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial seas of each of the two States is measured. The above provision does not apply, however, where it is necessary by reason of historic title or other special circumstances to delimit the territorial seas of the two States in a way which is at variance therewith."​

From United Nations official website: UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

1. That's what the Indian nationalists kept repeating until China crushed them in 1962. I can see that you want a repeat of 1988 Johnson Reef battle on a much larger scale. Trust me, China will oblige you.

2. Why is it a silly question? What kind of Vietnamese nationalist does not care about compensation for millions of Vietnamese victims?

As a Han nationalist, I castigate the Japanese at every opportunity for their refusal to compensate Chinese victims of World War II.

I have proudly donated money to the Sichuan earthquake victims.

I also proudly withheld every cent from Japanese earthquake and tsunami victims. No Japanese apology and compensation for World War II equal no sympathy from me for any Japanese.

You and I seem to have a very different understanding of the concept of nationalism. You seem to not care and throw your fellow Vietnamese under the bus. I have lost any respect that I had for you.

Do you forget 1979 spanking?

Come on!

Do you want me to repost Article 15 of UNCLOS, which excludes prior historical title/claim? A Vietnamese EEZ does not apply.

How many times do I have to keep posting Article 15 of UNCLOS? Can you guys read?

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Article 15 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea

"Article 15 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea stipulates that the delineation rule for overlapping territorial sea claims does not apply to areas of historical title. These islands have been inhabited by Chinese for over 500 years, and have been under Guangzhou’s jurisdiction to protect and assist those inhabitants for over 50 years. Historic Right plus decades of silence in the face of a public declaration of the map amount to acquiescence. Ergo, the dotted line has been recognized for half a century.

Reference: 'Epsey Cooke Farrell, The Socialist Republic of Vietnam and the Law of the Sea (The Hague: Martinus Nijhoff Publishers, 1998), 68–69.'”

[Note: Thank you to Luke for the post.]

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"Article15

Delimitation of the territorial sea between States

with opposite or adjacent coasts

Where the coasts of two States are opposite or adjacent to each other, neither of the two States is entitled, failing agreement between them to the contrary, to extend its territorial sea beyond the median line every point of which is equidistant from the nearest points on the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial seas of each of the two States is measured. The above provision does not apply, however, where it is necessary by reason of historic title or other special circumstances to delimit the territorial seas of the two States in a way which is at variance therewith."​

From United Nations official website: UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

We have controlled peacefully two islands from the 15th century,
Your history starting from 1948? LOL on chinese

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If his parent have been living in Vietnam before 1975, he should be Cantonese or Fujian ren, no Han.

AsianAmerican is a 100% Viet, but he is smart to see that China is the only hope for the Asian people against the western imperialist, while the rest of you are just too dumb or naive to figure out the geopolitics in this world.

I guess he is also proud to see China's achievement because he has the Asian pride.