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...and the negative fallout continues in the EU over China's support of Russia...I'm sure Trump thanks Putin for undoing their inroads.


  • PM Giorgia Meloni is considering pulling out of an agreement to join China’s Belt and Road Initiative, which has funded US$900 billion in projects globally
  • The turn complicates President Xi Jinping’s effort to drive a wedge between European countries eager to retain economic relations, and a confrontational US
Italy’s Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni is getting dragged into the escalating tensions between Washington and Beijing as she tries to disentangle her country from its close relationship with China.

Meloni, the right-wing leader who came to power less than a year ago, is leaning toward pulling out of an agreement to join China’s controversial Belt and Road Initiative, which has funded US$900 billion in infrastructure projects globally, according to people familiar with the government’s thinking. Italian officials raised the prospect of withdrawal in talks with Taiwan this week, Bloomberg reported.

Italy’s hawkish turn complicates Chinese President Xi Jinping’s effort to drive a wedge between European countries eager to retain economic relations with Beijing, and the US which is implementing increasingly confrontational policies. This puts Italy and the European Union in a delicate position between the two superpowers.

“Italy is stuck between a rock and a hard place, and what to do with the cooperation pact is a real diplomatic conundrum for Meloni,” Francesca Ghiretti, an analyst at the Mercator Institute for China Studies research firm, said in an interview. “Renewing it would send a very difficult message to Washington, but not renewing it would put a strain in relations with China.”

With US-China relations deteriorating, Beijing is looking to prevent Europe from following Washington, particularly on measures like export controls of key technologies. The EU is struggling to balance a desire to engage with China on trade and investment with resisting economic coercion.

Underscoring the EU’s difficulties, a push by French President Emmanuel Macron to recruit China’s help for possible talks between Russia and Ukraine drew criticism from some allies who think such an effort is premature and fear it could undermine European unity.
Italy’s dilemma on Belt and Road is starting to draw the US government’s attention, said the people who spoke on the condition of anonymity. For Washington and other capitals, it’s a sign of Meloni’s capacity to turn her staunch pro-US rhetoric into facts.

In a speech in Washington on Thursday, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said the Biden administration was prepared to accept economic costs as it sought to protect US national security interests from threats posed by China.

Italy is the only Group of Seven country that signed up to the infrastructure plan. The deal agreed in 2019 under then-Premier Giuseppe Conte has not led to deeper integration between Italy and China compared to other EU nations. But the stakes in quitting are both economic and diplomatic, with the risk of Chinese retaliation.

Both China and Taiwan are key trading partners with Italy, which is the third largest importer of goods from China in the EU, and the fourth largest exporter of goods to the country which is a key export destination for luxury brands that are crucial for its industry.

Taiwan has planned to invest about US$400 million in Italy’s chip industry, according to the Taipei Representative Office in Rome. On Friday, Industry Minister Adolfo Urso confirmed a Bloomberg report that his officials discussed plans to increase cooperation on semiconductors in private talks in Taipei. Urso said the mission was mostly technical, a sign that Italy is trying to keep the economic and diplomatic tracks as separate as possible.

“On semiconductors, Italy has some strategic advantages compared to other EU countries, manufacturing capacity and research and developments,” Vincent Tsai, head of Taipei’s office in Rome, said in an interview.

Tsai, who was appointed in the role earlier this year, said that bilateral trade between the two countries rose by 13 per cent last year, and there are plans to further boost it with the opening of a new representative office later this year in Milan, Italy’s business capital.

Meloni wanted to have an announcement on Italy’s stance on Belt and Road by May’s G7 summit, but picking an option is proving harder than expected for her coalition, the people said. The administration is split, with Meloni’s Brothers of Italy party mostly favouring ditching the pact, and others pushing to keep it.

In another delay, Meloni has yet to officially respond to an invitation to Beijing from President Xi, which had been tentatively scheduled for May, according to the people. The trip is on hold as Italy studies ways to simply not renew the Belt and Road deal, while limiting the impact on China ties.

“At the moment, it seems the government is leaning toward not renewing the pact, but in this scenario it will be key to coordinate with the US and other allies to react to a possible response,” Ghiretti said.



uh oh @Abdul Rehman Majeed this looks like yet another sign the EU is rethinking their relation with China...and not in a positive way.
 
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I don't see it happening to be honest, unless there is a significant change on the Taiwan front or something bigger happens with China's involvement in the Ukraine war, Italy is taking in quite a lot of investments from the belt and road initiative, from the Port investments to other matters, and with Macron's recent trip to China where he wanted to have an "independent" foreign policy towards China, it seems there might be more hesitation on that front.
 
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I don't see it happening to be honest, unless there is a significant change on the Taiwan front or something bigger happens with China's involvement in the Ukraine war, Italy is taking in quite a lot of investments from the belt and road initiative, from the Port investments to other matters, and with Macron's recent trip to China where he wanted to have an "independent" foreign policy towards China, it seems there might be more hesitation on that front.
Even if it does happen, it would barely affect China’s trajectory at all. China has largely written off Europe but in the event that they can salvage some European ties, it would be considered a bonus.
 
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China has largely written off Europe but in the event that they can salvage some European ties, it would be considered a bonus.

During the Trump years China was all set in Europe...and now with Ukraine it is heading back to square one.
 
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During the Trump years China was all set in Europe...and now with Ukraine it is heading back to square one.
That’s changed a long time ago. China adapts quickly. It’s building a new world order with the large and growing countries of the non western world, if certain European countries remain engaged, it would be considered a bonus.
 
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Akin to shooting oneself in the foot to satisfy someone else.
 
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Why European countries are slave to USA , can't they have their own independent policy ?

One African leader was interviewed look how the whole world is supporting Ukraine , he answered we Africans got phone call look ur son is studying in Stanford etc and ur property is in Los Angeles etc so u know who to vote
 
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Italy also bans chatGPT, any idea why?

Just technicalities...

Italy will say ciao to ChatGPT ban if OpenAI does indeed think of the children​

And also, privacy safeguards


Italy's privacy watchdog will lift the country's ban on ChatGPT if OpenAI agrees to enforce rules protecting minors and users' personal data by April 30, it announced on Wednesday.
 
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During the Trump years China was all set in Europe...and now with Ukraine it is heading back to square one.

Idk what to tell you but none of those states outside of maybe the UK actually want any sort of confrontation with China, they are more than happy to carry out lucrative business relations with China, as Macron showed quite recently. China is too important of a market to warrant a confrontation, outside of China doing something stupid, which from my observances of the Chinese foreign policy apparatus over the years(Xi is a little different but even then I don't expect too much of a change in how they do foreign policy) is very unlikely b/c they are incredibly cautious and risk averse, they don't like making waves like the Russians.
 
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none of those states outside of maybe the UK actually want any sort of confrontation with China,
They've already started.

10 years ago there was never an eyebrow raised over anything China did. China would buy companies without a peep of protest.

Now there's the Huawei thing, European countries denying Chinese companies from buying things, and open discussion of security concerns.





 
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...and the negative fallout continues in the EU over China's support of Russia...I'm sure Trump thanks Putin for undoing their inroads.


  • PM Giorgia Meloni is considering pulling out of an agreement to join China’s Belt and Road Initiative, which has funded US$900 billion in projects globally
  • The turn complicates President Xi Jinping’s effort to drive a wedge between European countries eager to retain economic relations, and a confrontational US
Italy’s Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni is getting dragged into the escalating tensions between Washington and Beijing as she tries to disentangle her country from its close relationship with China.

Meloni, the right-wing leader who came to power less than a year ago, is leaning toward pulling out of an agreement to join China’s controversial Belt and Road Initiative, which has funded US$900 billion in infrastructure projects globally, according to people familiar with the government’s thinking. Italian officials raised the prospect of withdrawal in talks with Taiwan this week, Bloomberg reported.

Italy’s hawkish turn complicates Chinese President Xi Jinping’s effort to drive a wedge between European countries eager to retain economic relations with Beijing, and the US which is implementing increasingly confrontational policies. This puts Italy and the European Union in a delicate position between the two superpowers.

“Italy is stuck between a rock and a hard place, and what to do with the cooperation pact is a real diplomatic conundrum for Meloni,” Francesca Ghiretti, an analyst at the Mercator Institute for China Studies research firm, said in an interview. “Renewing it would send a very difficult message to Washington, but not renewing it would put a strain in relations with China.”

With US-China relations deteriorating, Beijing is looking to prevent Europe from following Washington, particularly on measures like export controls of key technologies. The EU is struggling to balance a desire to engage with China on trade and investment with resisting economic coercion.

Underscoring the EU’s difficulties, a push by French President Emmanuel Macron to recruit China’s help for possible talks between Russia and Ukraine drew criticism from some allies who think such an effort is premature and fear it could undermine European unity.
Italy’s dilemma on Belt and Road is starting to draw the US government’s attention, said the people who spoke on the condition of anonymity. For Washington and other capitals, it’s a sign of Meloni’s capacity to turn her staunch pro-US rhetoric into facts.

In a speech in Washington on Thursday, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said the Biden administration was prepared to accept economic costs as it sought to protect US national security interests from threats posed by China.

Italy is the only Group of Seven country that signed up to the infrastructure plan. The deal agreed in 2019 under then-Premier Giuseppe Conte has not led to deeper integration between Italy and China compared to other EU nations. But the stakes in quitting are both economic and diplomatic, with the risk of Chinese retaliation.

Both China and Taiwan are key trading partners with Italy, which is the third largest importer of goods from China in the EU, and the fourth largest exporter of goods to the country which is a key export destination for luxury brands that are crucial for its industry.

Taiwan has planned to invest about US$400 million in Italy’s chip industry, according to the Taipei Representative Office in Rome. On Friday, Industry Minister Adolfo Urso confirmed a Bloomberg report that his officials discussed plans to increase cooperation on semiconductors in private talks in Taipei. Urso said the mission was mostly technical, a sign that Italy is trying to keep the economic and diplomatic tracks as separate as possible.

“On semiconductors, Italy has some strategic advantages compared to other EU countries, manufacturing capacity and research and developments,” Vincent Tsai, head of Taipei’s office in Rome, said in an interview.

Tsai, who was appointed in the role earlier this year, said that bilateral trade between the two countries rose by 13 per cent last year, and there are plans to further boost it with the opening of a new representative office later this year in Milan, Italy’s business capital.

Meloni wanted to have an announcement on Italy’s stance on Belt and Road by May’s G7 summit, but picking an option is proving harder than expected for her coalition, the people said. The administration is split, with Meloni’s Brothers of Italy party mostly favouring ditching the pact, and others pushing to keep it.

In another delay, Meloni has yet to officially respond to an invitation to Beijing from President Xi, which had been tentatively scheduled for May, according to the people. The trip is on hold as Italy studies ways to simply not renew the Belt and Road deal, while limiting the impact on China ties.

“At the moment, it seems the government is leaning toward not renewing the pact, but in this scenario it will be key to coordinate with the US and other allies to react to a possible response,” Ghiretti said.



uh oh @Abdul Rehman Majeed this looks like yet another sign the EU is rethinking their relation with China...and not in a positive way.


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March 28, 2023

Good relations with China “an asset for Portugal” – Last Governor​

By
Newsdesk

*with Lusa
The last Portuguese governor of Macau, Vasco Rocha Vieira, highlighted the importance of Portugal’s “good historical relations” with China as an asset that could improve ties between Beijing and the European Union.
Vasco Rocha Vieira stressed that the history of Macau has given Portugal “a privileged knowledge” of China, which can “influence destinations, give opinions and advise” Brussels in its relationship with Beijing.
The last governor of Macau (1991-1999) pointed out that China is “a superpower in the making” and that Lisbon can “contribute to respect, progress and peace”, in a world marked by “very great instability”.
General Rocha Vieira, who served as Governor of Macau between 1991 and 1999, made these comments to journalists after receiving an honorary doctorate from the University of Science and Technology of Macau, which had been awarded in April 2022.
In addition to the historical ties, Vieira also sees the interest in the Portuguese language in China as “another great asset” for Portugal. The general noted the growing number of Chinese universities teaching Portuguese and emphasized the significance of the interest in the Portuguese language in China.

 
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Rocha-Vieira-696x455.jpeg

March 28, 2023

Good relations with China “an asset for Portugal” – Last Governor​

By
Newsdesk

*with Lusa
The last Portuguese governor of Macau, Vasco Rocha Vieira, highlighted the importance of Portugal’s “good historical relations” with China as an asset that could improve ties between Beijing and the European Union.
Vasco Rocha Vieira stressed that the history of Macau has given Portugal “a privileged knowledge” of China, which can “influence destinations, give opinions and advise” Brussels in its relationship with Beijing.
The last governor of Macau (1991-1999) pointed out that China is “a superpower in the making” and that Lisbon can “contribute to respect, progress and peace”, in a world marked by “very great instability”.
General Rocha Vieira, who served as Governor of Macau between 1991 and 1999, made these comments to journalists after receiving an honorary doctorate from the University of Science and Technology of Macau, which had been awarded in April 2022.
In addition to the historical ties, Vieira also sees the interest in the Portuguese language in China as “another great asset” for Portugal. The general noted the growing number of Chinese universities teaching Portuguese and emphasized the significance of the interest in the Portuguese language in China.


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They've already started.

10 years ago there was never an eyebrow raised over anything China did. China would buy companies without a peep of protest.

Now there's the Huawei thing, European countries denying Chinese companies from buying things, and open discussion of security concerns.






That has less to do with China and more to do with protecting strategic assets, along with US pressure. There is no real decoupling happening with China and the EU, in the same way as the US. many of those semiconductor companies rely on the US in a globalized chain, having them being bought out by a chinese company would end up with them being sanctioned and the govt phones not using tiktok is more to do with security and US pressure. Call me when the EU stops selling Airbus jets and engines to china and when the Netherlands stops selling DUV machines, or when Chinese investment in European ports stop. lol
 
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