SC orders govt to devise "Action Plan" on population control by Jan 14

[El Sidd]

Social changes. Campaigning, education, awareness programs, contraceptives.

Have they worked till today?

 

[Lincoln]

Have they worked till today?

We haven't really tried it though. Like, there was an attempt during Ayub from what I have read, but it failed due to Moulvi's opposition. There's always a way though, if you're trying something and it's not working, maybe make a few changes and try again?

 

[El Sidd]

We haven't really tried it though. Like, there was an attempt during Ayub from what I have read, but it failed due to Moulvi's opposition. There's always a way though, if you're trying something and it's not working, maybe make a few changes and try again?

Lets see what proposals government come up with

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Our largest crisis in our population; it is the cause of half of our issues and unfortunately, it is the most hidden.

 

[313ghazi]

He should deliver a report on why the Asia Bibi case managed to get to the supreme Court despite flimsy evidence. He should deliver the report in 5 days. He should then deliver another report on what steps he will take so such incompetent judgements are not passed in the lower courts again.

Or is it too much to ask CJP to stick to his job?

 

[Yaseen1]

Our population is now in decline mode most newly married families now have 2 children mostly sc should focus on other genuine issues people have more awareness about family planning now cj is living in old age if he is so obessed with population he should comit suicide it will reduce population

 

[Lincoln]

Our population is now in decline mode most newly married families now have 2 children mostly sc should focus on other genuine issues people have more awareness about family planning now cj is living in old age if he is so obessed with population he should comit suicide it will reduce population

This is why we have this thing called census and stats, so that people can't make their divine observatory claims which magically applies to all. Pakistan population is nowhere close to in decline mode, go read some facts, thanks.

 

[Yaseen1]

This is why we have this thing called census and stats, so that people can't make their divine observatory claims which magically applies to all. Pakistan population is nowhere close to in decline mode, go read some facts, thanks.

It is in decline mode and effects will occur after one generation as it is long process whose effects become evident in 20yrs I personally know many families who have 2 kids but their parents have 4 to 6 kids this shows people have started implementing family planning and you will see in next census major decline will occur in population generally those people who got married after 2005 have 2 kids there is also natural birth control many people remain infertile and cannot give birth to children due to certain defects and infant morality is also high in Pakistan unlike west so there is no risk of high population instead we should focus to turn our population in to money earning assets if more people go abroad they can be high source of remittences and will help in our economic growth

 

[313ghazi]

It is in decline mode and effects will occur after one generation as it is long process whose effects become evident in 20yrs I personally know many families who have 2 kids but their parents have 4 to 6 kids this shows people have started implementing family planning and you will see in next census major decline will occur in population generally those people who got married after 2005 have 2 kids there is also natural birth control many people remain infertile and cannot give birth to children due to certain defects and infant morality is also high in Pakistan unlike west so there is no risk of high population instead we should focus to turn our population in to money earning assets if more people go abroad they can be high source of remittences and will help in our economic growth

Brother, you're both right and wrong in this regard.

You are correct that we all know people who have less kids than our parents generation did. Indeed I am the same. However people like you and me are the exception rather than the rule. We are either upper class or middle class people. The fact you live in Pakistan and can express yourself perfectly in English is a testament to the quality education you received, which I suspect was in private schools. The fact you have the time and money to regularly participate on an internet forum in Pakistan, gives away your better economic position. That's no bad thing of course.

My point is the majority of the awam today, is not in our social circle, it's not in our income bracket or education bracket. They are working class people with little education and often little foresight. They are still having loads of kids. There are a lot more of them, then there are of us.

My second point, our population is not in decline, the rate of population increase is in decline. For the sake of arguement, if every adult got married and the couple had only 2 kids and those kids grew up to be adults - our population would be the same. If every couple has 4 kids, our population is increasing. If every couple has 6 kids, it is increasing even more!

Right now it is increasing less, but it is still increasing. I don't think it's at a crisis point, certainly not for the Celebrity Justice Pakistan to be so concerned, but there is certainly scope for educating the poorest people about family planning. You cannot assume they know what you know.

In my family, amongst my siblings, first and second cousins; of those of us who are married - it's only the really poor ones, the ones with less education who have lots of children. Those of us with a bit of sense have children but we consider the quality of life we can provide for each child.

I could have 10 children, none of them would go hungry or not have clothes to wear. But unless a miracle happened - those kids could not have separate rooms to sleep in when their older, or have expensive toys, or go on family holidays abroad. We certainly wouldn't be going to restaurants or be able to go to swimming lessons or martial arts classes or any of the nice things i buy my kids. Heck they'd struggle to get the 1 on 1 time my current kids get.

I grew up in a big family, Alhamdulillah it was a good time and I would not swap any of my siblings for designer clothes, foreign trips or expensive toys. I appreciate my dad spending his entire adult life working double shifts to ensure we had everything we needed, and even some of the things we wanted. I appreciate the effort my mother made in ensuring our home was clean, we had clean clothes, fresh food, our homework was done, we had someone to talk to all the time, someone to care for us and someone to discipline us. She never had any free time whilst we were children.

Having said all that, i remember going to school after spending a summer playing at home or in the park, whilst the middle class white kids talked about where they went on holiday. I remember buying clothes from the normal shops and noticed how the people with the designer clothes at school would strut around. I remember as a child checking the price of toys before you bought them. I remember my mother being exhausted from looking after us all, i remember my dad leaving to go to work at night, after he had already done a day shift. He'd spend the evening at home with us and them go out and work at night again. I remember wanting him to stay at home but knowing he had to go to work.

Feel free to accuse me of being materialistic, but I want my kids to have those things, sometimes at least. More than anything i want them to be healthy, i want them to be safe, i want them to be followers of Muhammad (pbuh) and I want them to be caring, educated human beings. But i also want them to have nice things. May it is written one day i will have enough wealth to have 50 kids live like kings...lol but right now i don't, so i choose to have a sensible amount of kids, an amount where i can afford to give those kids my time, and the things they want.

Meanwhile i have a cousin (who lives in Pakistan) who is broke, her husband doesn't work (even though he is fit and healthy, he even has a perfectly good rickshaw just parked at home), when he does work he spends the money on himself. She has 6 kids. Her family send her money, firewood, grain from the fields. Sometimes her kids go stay with thier grandparents for months at a time. Their kids don't go to school.

The same guys brother works as a peon at a school, his wife cleans peoples homes, they have 4 kids, they send their kids to school, their kids are fed and clothed from their own hardwork.

 

[enquencher]

Government can make some mulla announce ki lagana haram hai .or 2 bacho se zyada haram hai..that may work.

 

[El Sidd]

Government can make some mulla announce ki lagana haram hai .or 2 bacho se zyada haram hai..that may work.

Did you find one in India?

 

[enquencher]

Did you find one in India?

U have many hearing n beliving mullas only..example is in polio vaccine

 

[El Sidd]

U have many hearing n beliving mullas only..example is in polio vaccine

Vaccination is frowned upon all over the World. It is not wholeheartedly accepted as one thinks them out to be.

Some People object to a greater government control in some areas of lawmaking. Thats what makes it a diverse society.

These are free People.

Thats why the government is always Broke but the People rich.

Why dont you Go convince the mullahs in India to Pass a fatwa stating cow is Haram or chanting jai Sri Ram is same as Allah Akbar?

 

[Jaanbaz]

Some societies only work with having a lot of children, lots of kids= parents can send some kids to work(yes child labour), more sons the better chance to carry on their poor *** ''family name'', more kids mean more brain dead zombies who will the be first one rioting and breaking street lights over some cartoons in Europe. Eventually such societies collapse under constant violence and lack of resources.

If Pakistan doesn't control its population we will collapse like Sub Sahran countries with no Central Government just war and famine.

 

[enquencher]

Vaccination is frowned upon all over the World. It is not wholeheartedly accepted as one thinks them out to be.

Some People object to a greater government control in some areas of lawmaking. Thats what makes it a diverse society.

These are free People.

Thats why the government is always Broke but the People rich.

Why dont you Go convince the mullahs in India to Pass a fatwa stating cow is Haram or chanting jai Sri Ram is same as Allah Akbar?

Mulla s in india are more hindus than muslim