Saudis have been abandoning their kids abroad, Now the children want answers

[Hack-Hook]

saudis do it via Misyar and iranians do it via muttah

In muttah the children have rights and also the female as long as it take care of the child. I still can't believe in misyar the children have no rights.

 

[Wergeland]

A good man is always a good man, no matter what religions he believes .

Although i get your point and agree with you on that, still i would say it depends on the religion.

The Aztecs had a religion where human sacrifice was normal, in order to please various Gods. People living in those societies did not percieve any wrongs in their behaviour.

We must not forget that what we today consider good behaviour is by large because there were societies with beliefs that promoted these good characteristics which we today take for granted as virtues.

 

[Goenitz]

I think you’re just a weirdo bro.

Perhaps... but more being cautious and frightened... I just keep distance.

 

[TNT]

Saw a little girl at the store. I don’t if something clicked but I started talking to her. Apparently her dad was some Peshawari pathan that ran off on her and her mother who she lived with is Mexican. I ended buying her candies and juice for her, but still it broke my heart.

Yup i have heard many stories. It gives bad name to muslims as well. It also is another sin to let ur kids grow as non muslims.

 

[Wergeland]

Yup i have heard many stories. It gives bad name to muslims as well. It also is another sin to let ur kids grow as non muslims.

It is unislamic to abandon own children and parents.

I a happy that the filmmaker created this documentary. Hopefully the filmmaker or others like her would also shed spotlight on such negative sides of western “free love” culture. After all we muslims agree that such actcs are immmoral, but the liberals see no fault at all, even gloryfying it as expression of personal freedom.

For what is personal freedom without responsibility?

 

[TNT]

In muttah the children have rights and also the female as long as it take care of the child. I still can't believe in misyar the children have no rights.

Dont spew BS, in misyar, the children have all the rights and belong to the guy, its also not a temporary marriage but a permanent one but only where women forgo her rights willfully. Rights like paying all her expenses and paying haq maher.
On the other hand muttah is illegal in Islam and is a temporary marriage, meaning u can get married to a women for a few hours as well, there is also no nikah, no 3rd party involved.
Both are very different and comparing both is idiotic. Prostitution happens in shias under the guise of muttah.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Prostitution happens in shias under the guise of muttah.

I have not seen any Shia doing Muttah here in Punjab but they believe temporary marriage is allowed.
I do not know if Muttah is culturally practiced in Shia majority regions or countries.

 

[TNT]

I have not seen any Shia doing Muttah here in Punjab but they believe temporary marriage is allowed.
I do not know if Muttah is culturally practiced in Shia majority regions or countries.

Not very common in Pakistan but more common in iran. I was having debate with my chakwali frnd who is a shia. He was defending muttah and i asked him if he would allow his sister to do muttah and he went silent and red. The thing is, if u think its halal then there should be no shame and if there is shame in it then it means u shouldn't consider it halal.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

the children have all the rights and belong to the guy, its also not a temporary marriage but a permanent one but only where women forgo her rights willfully.

The children of the Saudi fathers in this documentary have no automatic family and citizenship rights in the land of their father and forefathers. Their dads just disappeared on them which is condemned in Islam. So it looks like an Arab thing.

I had heard about Muttah as prostitution, but today is the first time I heard of Misyar. I looked it up. Saudi ulema allowed Saudis in the West and abroad to do Misyar. Seemingly, they did not give consideration to the rights of the children or of the foreign wife who assumed marriage with the intention of it being permanent.

Thus, Saudi Misyar abroad with a foreign wife can be worse than Muttah, because Saudi Misyar permitted the husband to enter into marriage with a foreigner with the intention to divorce, which he keeps to himself, whereas in Muttah there is mutual understanding to separate.

 

[PakAlp]

In muttah the children have rights and also the female as long as it take care of the child. I still can't believe in misyar the children have no rights.

They are similar.
Muttah has time limit, like 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months etc. I think only unmarried can do it, not the married people.

In Misyar they do a nikah but they agree to meet every 3 days for 1 hour or weekly meetups for 1 hour, the woman has no rights. Her job is just to meet up over 3 long nights and go back, or meet up for 1 hour. She has no right to claim anything from the husband.

Muttah used to be ok in Islam but then it was banned, same as slavery, interest, alcohol. Islam slowly changed the society and then placed restrictions. In the 21st century people want to go back to pre Islam period.
Muttah is unacceptable and not allowed as it was banned.

Misyar is fraud with the lady. These rich people rather than hiring hookers, they just ring the misyar lady for free. The mullahs are probably chilling. You can just divorce her after 1 meet up.

There are other marriages promoted by Saudia like the Misfar Holiday marriage, the Jihad marriage etc.

 

[TNT]

The children of the Saudi fathers in this documentary have no automatic family and citizenship rights in the land of their father and forefathers. Their dads just disappeared on them which is condemned in Islam. So it looks like an Arab thing.

I had heard about Muttah as prostitution, but today is the first time I heard of Misyar. I looked it up. Saudi ulema allowed Saudis in the West and abroad to do Misyar. Seemingly, they did not give consideration to the rights of the children or of the foreign wife who assumed marriage with the intention of it being permanent.

Thus, Saudi Misyar abroad with a foreign wife can be worse than Muttah, because Saudi Misyar permitted the husband to enter into marriage with a foreigner with the intention to divorce which he keeps to himself, whereas in Muttah there is mutual understanding to separate.

Misusing religion is another thing, In Islam, a nikah is invalid if its done with the intention of divorce. Its the reason halala is not allowed, which happen alot in Pakistan. Any nikah that is done with such intention is invalid. Also those saudi men usually dont marry the foreigner, they keep them as gfs and when get pregnant, they run away. Also in Islam u cannot marry a mushrik or athiest, and most westerners are those.

 

[PakAlp]

The children of the Saudi fathers in this documentary have no automatic family and citizenship rights in the land of their father and forefathers. Their dads just disappeared on them which is condemned in Islam. So it looks like an Arab thing.

I had heard about Muttah as prostitution, but today is the first time I heard of Misyar. I looked it up. Saudi ulema allowed Saudis in the West and abroad to do Misyar. Seemingly, they did not give consideration to the rights of the children or of the foreign wife who assumed marriage with the intention of it being permanent.

Thus, Saudi Misyar abroad with a foreign wife can be worse than Muttah, because Saudi Misyar permitted the husband to enter into marriage with a foreigner with the intention to divorce which he keeps to himself, whereas in Muttah there is mutual understanding to separate.

I believe the one your talking about is the holiday marriage where you marry a lady because you can't control yourself on the holiday, you then divorce her once you go back. Its called Misfar. Misyar is meet up one.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

I believe the one your talking about is the holiday marriage where you marry a lady because you can't control yourself on the holiday, you then divorce her once you go back. Its called Misfar. Misyar is meet up one.

Misfar? Another new one for me. I came upon one more type of 'marriage' called Urfi while seeking information about Misyar. More about Saudi Misyar. Saudi ulema allowed marriage with the intention to divorce. They stuck the word Sunnah somewhere in the ruling to make it sound legit. See the bolded parts below

Misyar marriage - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

"Ibn Baaz was asked about misyar marriage with the intention of divorce. He replied that it is permissible and, along with Permanent Council (of Muftis), decreed that it is permissible. Someone asked him: In one of your tapes, you have a fatwa that it is permissible for someone in a Western country to get married with the intention of getting divorced after a specific period. What is the difference between this and between Mut'ah?

Response: Yes, this fatwa has come from Permanent Council (of Muftis), and I am its leader, and we have ruled that it is permissible to marry with the intention of getting divorced, if this intention is between the servant and his Lord. If someone marries in a Western country, and his intention is that when he finishes his studies or finds a job or something like this that he will get divorced, then there is absolutely no problem with this in the opinion of all 'ulama. This intention is something between the servant and Allah, and is not a condition. The difference between this and Mut'ah is that Mut'ah has the condition of a definite time period, such as a month or two months or a year or two years and so forth. If the time period fends, then the Nikah is abrogated. This is the invalid form Mut'ah. However, if somebody marries according to the Sunnah of the Prophet, but he nonetheless holds the intention in his heart that when he leaves the (Western) country he will divorce, then there is no harm it.

 

[AZMwi]

In muttah the children have rights and also the female as long as it take care of the child. I still can't believe in misyar the children have no rights.

who u kidding?? urself...

 

[Hack-Hook]

Muttah has time limit, like 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months etc. I think only unmarried can do it, not the married people.

a married man can do it , married woman can't

Misusing religion is another thing, In Islam, a nikah is invalid if its done with the intention of divorce. Its the reason halala is not allowed, which happen alot in Pakistan. Any nikah that is done with such intention is invalid. Also those saudi men usually dont marry the foreigner, they keep them as gfs and when get pregnant, they run away. Also in Islam u cannot marry a mushrik or athiest, and most westerners are those.

technically they are people of the book

Muttah used to be ok in Islam but then it was banned, same as slavery, interest, alcohol. Islam slowly changed the society and then placed restrictions. In the 21st century people want to go back to pre Islam period.
Muttah is unacceptable and not allowed as it was banned.

by Ommar, his decree is bound by his enforcement , not Islam . shia cleric bring Quran verse to support it and many sahaba didn't accept the ban

n Misyar they do a nikah but they agree to meet every 3 days for 1 hour or weekly meetups for 1 hour, the woman has no rights. Her job is just to meet up over 3 long nights and go back, or meet up for 1 hour. She has no right to claim anything from the husband.

well in Mutaah , the woman get Mehr, and the children have all the rights of the children from normal marriage and nobody can take their right away from them .

who u kidding?? urself...

that's the law about mutaah , the children have all rights of a children from normal marriage , if you doubt it you can research it. there is no diofference between them and other children in the eye of the law and religion