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No Western Govt will condemn suppression of pro-democracy activists because that would seriously rile Riyadh.

Floggings will continue until morale improves. As a way of dealing with a discontented crew it was much favoured by 18th-century sea captains, but the Bahrain Government has been an apt pupil. Alas, Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid bin Abdullah al-Khalifa doesn't quite grasp that this sort of policy statement must be clear and concise.

Announcing that the Bahraini authorities would intensify the repression that has prevailed since the crushing of pro-democracy demonstrations two years ago, the sheikh declared last October: "It has been decided to stop all gatherings and marches and not to allow any activity before being reassured about security and achieving the required stability in order to preserve national unity."

He's got the spirit of the thing right, but he falls short in the clarity and brevity departments. At any rate, the demonstrations, gatherings and marches have not stopped, although they have got even more dangerous for the participants.

Bahrain's brief role in the "Arab Spring" began on February 14, 2011, when demonstrators demanding a constitutional monarchy, a freely elected government and equality for all citizens took over Pearl Square in Manama, the capital of the tiny Gulf state.

But one month later the protesters were driven from the square by force, and after that the repression became general.

By no coincidence, that was also when Saudi Arabian troops arrived "to help the Government of Bahrain restore order". (Bahrain is an island connected to Saudi Arabia's Eastern Province by a long causeway.) Officially the Saudi soldiers were invited in by Bahrain's ruler, King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa. Unofficially, he probably had no choice in the matter.

Bahrain's ruling family is Sunni Muslim, like Saudi Arabia's and those of all the other members of the Gulf Co-operation Council (Kuwait, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Oman). However, 70 per cent of Bahrain's population is Shia, whereas the rest of the GCC countries are overwhelmingly Sunni. And the relationship between Sunnis and Shias throughout the region is coming to resemble that between Catholics and Protestants in 16th-century Europe.

The ensuing century of religious wars in Europe was not really about doctrinal differences. The wars were driven by the rulers' conviction that people who did not share their particular brand of Christianity could not be loyal to them politically.

It was nonsense, but millions of Europeans were killed in the 1500s and 1600s in wars triggered by this belief. The same disease now seems to be taking root in the Arab Gulf states. Shias, it is argued, cannot be loyal to a Sunni ruling family. And if they object to being oppressed, it can only be because Shia-majority Iran has deliberately stirred them up.

There is a real political and military rivalry between Iran, the major power on the north side of the Gulf, and the smaller Arab states to the southwest. It has become worse since the US invasion of Iraq ended centuries of Sunni rule and put a Shia regime in power there. The competition is actually geopolitical and strategic, not sectarian, but people get confused.

So Saudi Arabia worries a lot about the loyalty of the large Shia population (maybe even a majority) in its Eastern Province, where all the oil is. It was certainly not going to tolerate a democracy - which it thinks would be a "Shia" democracy, and therefore a hostile regime - in Bahrain, right next door.

And, of course, it believed that the downtrodden Shia majority in Bahrain had been stirred up by Shia-majority Iran across the Gulf. So when Bahrain's King had still not got the pro-democracy protesters under control after an entire month, it sent its troops in.

It certainly wasn't what Crown Prince Sheikh Salman bin Hamad al-Khalifa intended: he was trying to negotiate with opposition parties about giving Shias a bigger role in the kingdom's affairs. But Saudi Arabia didn't want that kind of example right next-door, and it found hardline allies in the Bahraini royal family.

The triumvirate who are now running Bahrain are Khalifa bin Salman al-Khalifa, Prime Minister for the past 40 years, and the brothers Khalid bin Ahmed bin Salman al-Khalifa, the royal Court Minister, and Khalifa bin Ahmad al-Khalifa, who commands the Bahrain Defence Forces.

With them in charge, there will be no compromise, even though more than 80 Shia protesters have already been killed.

No Western government is going to condemn the country's rulers. That would seriously annoy Saudi Arabia, and they will never do that.

Gwynne Dyer: Saudi hand in Bahrain crackdown - Opinion - NZ Herald News
 
Bahrain is a extension of KSA and should be part of KSA anyway.

And what's with the sectarian/racist/Zionist use of Wahhabism something that does not exist unless you mean the Hanbali fiqh? The Pakistani Shia sect members here are a few but quite annoying.
 
Very interesting:pop:, I had no idea that the world fear KSA, I thought it's an obedient puppet.

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The so call bringing Democracy to the middle east is nothing but a geopolitical engineering attempt by the West to remove governments it considers unfriendly, even at the expense of prolonged civil wars. The situation in Bahrain is pure "Double Standards". Why upset our Saudis allies
 
Bahrain is a extension of KSA and should be part of KSA anyway.

And what's with the sectarian/racist/Zionist use of Wahhabism something that does not exist unless you mean the Hanbali fiqh? The Pakistani Shia sect members here are a few but quite annoying.

Nope, they call all Sunnah who don't get along with Iranian regime policy Wahabies.
 
Parts of the comments on same page enjoy

The so call bringing Democracy to the middle east is nothing but a geopolitical engineering attempt by the West to remove governments it considers unfriendly, even at the expense of prolonged civil wars. The situation in Bahrain is pure "Double Standards". Why upset our Saudis allies

Hmmm, this is getting even more interesting, so, those leaders used to be unfriendly to the West:

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Very interesting:pop:, I had no idea that the world fear KSA, I thought it's an obedient puppet.

KSA feels secure under western umbrella. It is also in favor of US to keep KSA under tabs to keep a foot over all Muslim countries by using their religious belief against them. This is hurting KSA reputation big time.
 
KSA feels secure under western umbrella. It is also in favor of US to keep KSA under tabs to keep a foot over all Muslim countries by using their religious belief against them. This is hurting KSA reputation big time.

Religious beliefs? sorry, with all due respect to Pakistani brothers, but just today I read news that Taliban destroyed schools, and I don't think this is from KSA, which 60% of it's students are females. It seems that it will take some time for you to realize it's Taliban invented version of Islam. KSA reputation will not get affected by a bunch of few backward people, most Muslims held KSA with great respect and that's enough.
 
Religious beliefs? sorry, with all due respect to Pakistani brothers, but just today I read news that Taliban destroyed schools, and I don't think this is from KSA, which 60% of it's students are females. It seems that it will take some time for you to realize it's Taliban invented version of Islam. KSA reputation will not get affected by a bunch of few backward people, most Muslims held KSA with great respect and that's enough.

If i am not wrong then KSA is the one that breaded and promoted Taliban style islam in Afghanistan in first place. Of course Pakistani and US intelligence made their contribution in this mess. Their hands are stained with the more atrocities than you know. As a proof you can compare Taliban style laws and Saudi laws side by side and people ask where they get their inspiration from.
 
No Western Govt will condemn suppression of pro-democracy activists because that would seriously rile Riyadh.

Floggings will continue until morale improves. As a way of dealing with a discontented crew it was much favoured by 18th-century sea captains, but the Bahrain Government has been an apt pupil. Alas, Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid bin Abdullah al-Khalifa doesn't quite grasp that this sort of policy statement must be clear and concise.

Announcing that the Bahraini authorities would intensify the repression that has prevailed since the crushing of pro-democracy demonstrations two years ago, the sheikh declared last October: "It has been decided to stop all gatherings and marches and not to allow any activity before being reassured about security and achieving the required stability in order to preserve national unity."

He's got the spirit of the thing right, but he falls short in the clarity and brevity departments. At any rate, the demonstrations, gatherings and marches have not stopped, although they have got even more dangerous for the participants.

Bahrain's brief role in the "Arab Spring" began on February 14, 2011, when demonstrators demanding a constitutional monarchy, a freely elected government and equality for all citizens took over Pearl Square in Manama, the capital of the tiny Gulf state.

But one month later the protesters were driven from the square by force, and after that the repression became general.

By no coincidence, that was also when Saudi Arabian troops arrived "to help the Government of Bahrain restore order". (Bahrain is an island connected to Saudi Arabia's Eastern Province by a long causeway.) Officially the Saudi soldiers were invited in by Bahrain's ruler, King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa. Unofficially, he probably had no choice in the matter.

Bahrain's ruling family is Sunni Muslim, like Saudi Arabia's and those of all the other members of the Gulf Co-operation Council (Kuwait, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Oman). However, 70 per cent of Bahrain's population is Shia, whereas the rest of the GCC countries are overwhelmingly Sunni. And the relationship between Sunnis and Shias throughout the region is coming to resemble that between Catholics and Protestants in 16th-century Europe.

The ensuing century of religious wars in Europe was not really about doctrinal differences. The wars were driven by the rulers' conviction that people who did not share their particular brand of Christianity could not be loyal to them politically.

It was nonsense, but millions of Europeans were killed in the 1500s and 1600s in wars triggered by this belief. The same disease now seems to be taking root in the Arab Gulf states. Shias, it is argued, cannot be loyal to a Sunni ruling family. And if they object to being oppressed, it can only be because Shia-majority Iran has deliberately stirred them up.

There is a real political and military rivalry between Iran, the major power on the north side of the Gulf, and the smaller Arab states to the southwest. It has become worse since the US invasion of Iraq ended centuries of Sunni rule and put a Shia regime in power there. The competition is actually geopolitical and strategic, not sectarian, but people get confused.

So Saudi Arabia worries a lot about the loyalty of the large Shia population (maybe even a majority) in its Eastern Province, where all the oil is. It was certainly not going to tolerate a democracy - which it thinks would be a "Shia" democracy, and therefore a hostile regime - in Bahrain, right next door.

And, of course, it believed that the downtrodden Shia majority in Bahrain had been stirred up by Shia-majority Iran across the Gulf. So when Bahrain's King had still not got the pro-democracy protesters under control after an entire month, it sent its troops in.

It certainly wasn't what Crown Prince Sheikh Salman bin Hamad al-Khalifa intended: he was trying to negotiate with opposition parties about giving Shias a bigger role in the kingdom's affairs. But Saudi Arabia didn't want that kind of example right next-door, and it found hardline allies in the Bahraini royal family.

The triumvirate who are now running Bahrain are Khalifa bin Salman al-Khalifa, Prime Minister for the past 40 years, and the brothers Khalid bin Ahmed bin Salman al-Khalifa, the royal Court Minister, and Khalifa bin Ahmad al-Khalifa, who commands the Bahrain Defence Forces.

With them in charge, there will be no compromise, even though more than 80 Shia protesters have already been killed.

No Western government is going to condemn the country's rulers. That would seriously annoy Saudi Arabia, and they will never do that.

Gwynne Dyer: Saudi hand in Bahrain crackdown - Opinion - NZ Herald News

Please also tell about Irani hand in Syria and Bahrain before blaming Saudi Arabia
 
If i am not wrong then KSA is the one that breaded and promoted Taliban style islam in Afghanistan in first place. Of course Pakistani and US intelligence made their contribution in this mess. Their hands are stained with the more atrocities than you know. As a proof you can compare Taliban style laws and Saudi laws side by side and people ask where they get their inspiration from.

You are talking like I don't know Saudis, no they are not the same, interpretations and practice are different. Saudi apply Islamic law issued by Allah unless you don't believe in Islam. Let me give you an example, Taliban stone women just because they are suspected of committing adultery, and I remember a mob of people killed a woman and a man because they were alone in a house and adultery wasn't proved, and that was haram. While in Islam and KSA, it's almost impossible to stone someone for adultery because it's punishment has very strict conditions in order to get issued:

1- The man and woman who committed adultery have to be married.
2- There must be at least four witnesses who are sane, rational, impartial, adult, men who saw the adulterers committing adultery with their own eyes and must see it in complete,

3- The adulterers have to admit of committing it.

That shows, that it impossible to prove adultery unless the adulterers themselves commit it in public and admit it. So, here they are not just committing a great sin but also calling for it...:lol:

So, you decide how backward and miserable minded those Taliban are to stone a woman because they suspected that she committed adultery.
 
Religious beliefs? sorry, with all due respect to Pakistani brothers, but just today I read news that Taliban destroyed schools, and I don't think this is from KSA, which 60% of it's students are females. It seems that it will take some time for you to realize it's Taliban invented version of Islam. KSA reputation will not get affected by a bunch of few backward people, most Muslims held KSA with great respect and that's enough.





@BLACKEAGLE, 10 to 12% of our Pakistani Brothers are of Shia faith and they get into this needless Saudi Bashing because of this religious conflict. I love our Shia Brothers but disagree with the acrimony they display towards our Saudi Brothers. Anyway you can tell these people apart from the majority of Sunni Pakistanis. That is not to say that we Sunni Pakistanis always agree with our Saudi Brothers but at least we don't attack them that viciously.

I am shocked however by the Sunni extremist in Pakistan who attack innocent Shia Citizens of Pakistan and these animals should not be spared because it is the obligation of Pakistani Govt. to protect all of its citizens, a duty in which it is failing miserably. There are those who claim that there is Saudi money behind these attacks on Pakistani Shias and if that is true , I say shame on the Saudi Private Citizens that finance these crimes in a Brotherly Muslim country. However we have not been able to conclusively prove the connection and to date I have not seen any conclusive evidence to prove this theory.
 
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You are talking like I don't know Saudis, no they are not the same, interpretations and practice are different. Saudi apply Islamic law issued by Allah unless you don't believe in Islam. Let me give you an example, Taliban stone women just because they are suspected of committing adultery, and I remember a mob of people killed a woman and a man because they were alone in a house and adultery wasn't proved, and that was haram. While in Islam and KSA, it's almost impossible to stone someone for adultery because it's punishment has very strict conditions in order to get issued:

1- The man and woman who committed adultery have to be married.
2- There must be at least four witnesses who are sane, rational, impartial, adult, men who saw the adulterers committing adultery with their own eyes and must see it in complete,

3- The adulterers have to admit of committing it.

That shows, that it impossible to prove adultery unless the adulterers themselves commit it in public and admit it. So, here they are not just committing a great sin but also calling for it...:lol:

So, you decide how backward and miserable minded those Taliban are to stone a woman because they suspected that she committed adultery.
Sir if they had prove and than the did it than they have to give that punishment but if they did it without any proof they did a great sin but stay on topic Sir
 

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