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Compare it when they have rebuilt or count China on our side and compare it, you see none of this is reality thus it’s not about 2013.
Iraq and Iran together if rebuilt as I stated is not something KSA and Turkey could deal with, it would turn into a war similar to the Iran-Iraq war.

Iran comparable to Turkey when rebuilt.
Iraq comparable to Saudi Arabia when rebuilt.

Sure it is nonesense but compare when rebuilt and we are done with the nonsense.

China is an ally of us. They are not anti-KSA or GCC or Sunni Arab. Rather the opposite.

Well let us agree to disagree. Besides we are still talking about a comparison that I never made initially - just a further explanation of those 2 states (KSA and Turkey) currently being strong enough to defeat both if a war broke out right now.

The comparisons are also flawed that you made there. Anyway let us agree to leave this silly discussions.

You seem to ignore the facts I stated and quoted in the past post. Do you agree with those facts or not? At least I recall you saying something similar in our past discussions about the region. I am talking about the text quoted in post number 31 in this thread. The text below the post I quoted made by you.

Last part of my recent post that you missed since I made an edit:
So just tonight we learnt 3 things from the Iranian users.

1. The so-called improving USA-Iran relations make KSA and the Arab world "scared".

2. KSA and Israel are going to make the most potent partnership in the ME soon.

3. KSA and USA are at odds.

All 3 points have nothing to do with the reality but just guesses of what CAN happen.

In theory KSA and Iran could go and make out and divide the ME on sectarian basis and work together to strengthen their positions. Then both make a deal with Turkey and then they can rule the ME until Judgement Day.
 
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China is an ally of us. They are not anti-KSA or GCC or Sunni Arab. Rather the opposite.

Well let us agree to disagree. Besides we are still talking about a comparison that I never made initially - just a further explanation of those 2 states (KSA and Turkey) currently being strong enough to defeat both if a war broke out right now.

The comparisons are also flawed that you made there. Anyway let us agree to leave this silly discussions.

You seem to ignore the facts I stated and quoted in the past post. Do you agree with those facts or not? At least I recall you saying something similar in our past discussions about the region. I am talking about the text quoted in post number 31 in this thread. The text below the post I quoted made by you.

Last part of my recent post that you missed since I made an edit:

Not ally just friend like they are of many and can be of anyone.

If a war broke out now they would only be able to defeat the conventional militaries but none of them would be able to occupy cities like the US did or face the same resistance which even damaged the US with it’s huge economy, 21st century warfare is different.
Still it would not go as easy as your describing it.
Again, compare once rebuilt.

I don’t agree with all Iranian users, but they are doing the same as GCC users, fighting their "battle" on some forum, trolling.
Let’s end the useless arguing.
 
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He’s Gulf Arab by brain, they all share that view so nothing new though I took the time to discuss some users of both sides claiming the client state story yet none are able to provide some usefull information backing it up.

You are mistaken to think that I am supporting GCC brothers, just because I am Gulf Arab by brain, whatever that means.

I support our brothers there because:
- they are Sunni Muslim, like our nation
- they have been helping us for decades, with jobs and financial aid
- they are supporting a righteous cause in Syria

I oppose Iran because they are exact opposite of above. As for Iraq, I am hoping you guys mend your ties with the Arab and Sunni Muslim world. Iran is a Pariah state and it is doubtful they will be out of the woods any time soon, as long as Israel is there. So for the good of your own people, choose the right side, don't fall for Iranian propaganda. If you leave behind the Iranian camp, I am sure your Arab brothers in Arab League as well as other Muslim countries around the world will welcome you with open arms.
 
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You are mistaken to think that I am supporting GCC brothers, just because I am Gulf Arab by brain, whatever that means.

I support our brothers there because:
- they are Sunni Muslim, like our nation
- they have been helping us for decades, with jobs and financial aid
- they are supporting a righteous cause in Syria

I oppose Iran because they are exact opposite of above. As for Iraq, I am hoping you guys mend your ties with the Arab and Sunni Muslim world. Iran is a Pariah state and it is doubtful they will be out of the woods any time soon, as long as Israel is there. So for the good of your own people, choose the right side, don't fall for Iranian propaganda. If you leave behind the Iranian camp, I am sure your Arab brothers in Arab League as well as other Muslim countries around the world will welcome you with open arms.

I don’t know much about Bangladesh as it’s on the other side of the world so won’t talk about that,
Righteous cause in Syria ? no, they want it to get bombed instead of a peaceful solution like you praise Baba Bush for 1991. Your far from neutral as others pointed out.
 
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The only problem any Arab outside of Iraq can have with SOME Iraqis (read Shias) is for purely sectarian reasons and NOTHING else. They don't have any other ambitions. Most of them are ignorant and think that Iraq is plotting together with the Mullah's to attack them. And that is shared by a minority. Most think about their own countries interest as anybody else does. The main rival and enemy is Iran as in ancient days. Dates back to pre-Islamic days when Semites and Persians fought.

How can an Saudi Arab in Ha'il belonging to the same tribe as an Iraqi living in Samawa and having family ties and relatives have hatred for that person? A person that is a fellow Arab, Semite, speaks the same language, believes in the same religion (Islam), comes from a very similar culture, is a neighbor etc. What closer relationship can you have with a person that is not your countrymen? Where does an Iranian (excluding the Iranian Arabs) compare who does not even come from the same race (non-Arab non-Semite), who does not speak the same language, share the same similar culture etc. come into the picture?

Iranians on the other hand generally dislike Arabs, Semites (which will never change), have imperial ambitions and the other issues I mentioned. No Jordanian, Saudi Arabian, Kuwaiti, Syrian have that.

That is just the reality. If Al-Maliki stopped kissing hands with the Grand Ayatollahs (LOL) then the whole of GCC (including the Sunni Arab world) would turn Iraq into an ally and invest HUGE sums into Iraq that could actually improve the country.

Anyway they can make their own decisions but apart from a few unwanted elements from Arab countries (that are anti their own countries) then no Arab wishes Iraq any harm since they are part of our common Arab, Islamic and Semitic history.

I will always and every other Arab have more in common with a Shia Arab from Basra than an Iranian Sunni from Mashhad. If we look apart from just the sect.

All this is the reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dZSmJD90Y0

All Arabs here in Europe - I learnt it myself in both France and now Denmark stick together regardless of whether they are Moroccans, Yemenis, Iraqis, Palestinians, Syrians, Egyptians etc. Help each other. Meet, talk. Or whether they are Sunni or Shia. Just like all Turks stick together etc. Despite being from different countries they can share the same poems, literature, music, food etc. they grew up with. Talk about the good old days. There is a natural closeness there than a non-Arab can never replace. No matter if he is Christian, Muslim, Atheist or Satanist. Just the fact that they can talk together in their mother tongue and express themselves makes a HUGE difference as immigrants.

No, I am not a Pan-Arab and know that there is more than just this and that even brothers fight together and family (not comparably to what I wrote obviously anyway) but you can't just ignore all this. I also know that sect plays a huge role today in this world and especially the ME and that relations between common people might be good but not between rulers of country x or y.
 
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What respectable members opinion about this research ....

By Abdulaziz Saud

THE SAUDI DYNASTY: FROM WHERE IS IT? AND WHO IS THE REAL ANCESTOR OF THIS FAMILY?

RESEARCH AND PRESENTATION OF: MOHAMMAD SAKHER , who was ordered killed by the Saudi Regime for the following findings:

1. Are the Saudi Family members belonging to the Tribe of ANZA BEN WA'EL as they allege to be?

2. Is Islam their actual religion?

3. Are they of an ARAB ORIGIN at all?

In the year 851 A.H. a group of men from AL MASALEEKH CLAN, which was a branch of ANZA Tribe, formed a caravan for buying cereals (wheat and corn) and other food stuff from IRAQ, and transporting it back to NAJD. The head of that group was a man called SAHMI BIN HATHLOOL. The caravan reached BASRA, where the members of the group went to a cereal merchant who was a Jew, Called MORDAKHAI BIN IBRAHIM BIN MOSHE'. During their bargaining with that merchant, the Jew asked them : "Where are you from?" They answered: "From ANZA TRIBE; a clan of AL MASALEEKH." Upon hearing that name, the Jew started to hug so affectionately each one of them saying that he, himself, was also from the clan of AL MASALEEKH, but he had come to reside in BASRA (IRAQ) in consequence to a family feud between his father and some members of ANZA Tribe.

After he recounted to them his fabricated narrative, he ordered his servants to load all the camels of the clan's members with wheat, dates and tamman; a remarkable deed so generous that astonished the MASALEEKH men and aroused their pride to find such an affectionate (cousin) in IRAQ- the source of their sustenance; they believed each word he said , and , because he was a rich merchant of the food commodities which they were badly in need, they liked him (even though he was a Jew concealed under the garb of an Arab from AL MASALEEKH clan).

When the caravan was ready to depart returning to NAJD, that Jewish Merchant asked them to accept his company, because he intended to go with them to his original homeland, NAJD. Upon hearing that from him, they wholeheartedly welcomed him with a very cheerful attitude.

So that (concealed) Jew reached NAJD with the caravan. In NAJD, he started to promulgate a lot of propaganda for himself through his companions (his alleged cousins), a fact, which gathered around him a considerable number of new supporters; but, unexpectedly, he confronted a campaign of opposition to his views led by SHEIKH SALEH SALMAN ABDULLA AL TAMIMI, who was a Muslem religious preacher in AL-QASEEM. The radius of his preaching area included Najd, Yemen, and Hijaz, a fact which compelled the Jew (the Ancestor of the present SAUDI FAMILY to depart from AL QASEEM to AL IHSA, where he changed his name (MORDAKHAI) To MARKHAN BIN IBRAHIM MUSA. Then he changed the location of his residence and settled at a place called DIR'IYA near AL-QATEEF, where he started to spread among the inhabitants a fabricated story about the shield of our Prophet MOHAMMAD (p.b.u.h), that it was taken as a booty by an Arab Pagan in consequence of OHOD Battle between the Arab pagans and the Muslems. "That shield, he said, was sold by the Arab Pagan to a Jewish Clan called BANU QUNAIQA' who preserved it as a treasure! He gradually enhanced his position among the Bedouins through such stories which indicated how the Jewish clans in Arabia were so influential and deserved high esteem. He gained some personal importance among the Bedouins, and decided to settle permanently there, at DIR'IYA town, near AL QATEEF, which he decided to be his (Capital) on the Persian Gulf. He aspired to make it his spring board for establishing a Jewish Kingdom in Arabia.

In order to fulfill his ambitious scheme, he started to approach the desert Arab Bedouins for support of his position, then gradually, he declared himself as their king!

At that juncture, AJAMAN Tribe together with BANU KHALED Tribe became fully aware of that Jewish cunning plan after they had verified his true identity, and decided to put an end to him. They attacked his town and conquered it, but before arresting him he had escaped by the skin of his teeth.

That Jewish Ancestor of the SAUDI FAMILY, (MORDAKHAI), sought shelter in a farm called at that time AL-MALIBEED-GHUSAIBA near AL-ARID, which is called at our present time : AL-RIYADH.

He requested the owner of that farm to grant him an asylum. The farmer was so hospitable that he immediately gave him sanctuary. But that Jew (MORDAKHAI), no longer than a month had he stayed there, when he assassinated the land lord and all members of his family, pretending that all were killed by an invading band of thieves. Then he pretended that he had bought that real estate from them before that catastrophe happened to them! Accordingly, he had the right to reside there as a land lord. He then gave a new name to that place: He named it AL-DIRIYA - the same name as that he had lost.

That Jewish Ancestor of the SAUDI FAMILY (MORDAKHAI), was quick to establish a "GUEST HOUSE" called "MADAFFA" on the land he usurped from his victims, and gathered around him a group of hypocrites who started to spread out false propaganda for him that he was a prominent Arab Sheikh. He plotted against Sheikh SALEH SALMAN ABDULLA AL TAMIMI, his original enemy, and caused his assassination in the mosque of the town called (AL-ZALAFI).

After that, he felt satisfied and safe to make (AL-DIRIYA) his permanent home. There he practiced polygamy at a wide scale, and indeed, he begot a lot of children whom he gave pure Arab names.

Ever since his descendants grew up in number and power under the name of SAUDI CLAN, they have followed his steps in practicing under ground activities and conspiracies against the Arab Nation. They illegally seized rural sectors and farm lands, and assassinated every person who tried to oppose their evil plans. They used all kinds of deceit for reaching their goals: they bought the conscience of their dissidents; they offered their women and money to influential people in that area, particularly to those who started to write the true biography of that Jewish Family; they bribed writers of history in order to purify their ignominious history, and make their lineage related to the most prominent Arab Tribes such as RABI'A, ANZA, and ALMASALEEKH.

A conspicuous hypocrite in our era whose name is MOHAMMAD AMIN AL TAMIMI- Director/Manager of the contemporary Libraries of the SAUDI KINGDOM, made up a genealogical tree (FAMILY TREE) for this JEWISH FAMILY (THE SAUDIS), connecting them to our Great Prophet, MOHAMMAD (P.B.U.H). For his false work, he received a reward of 35 (THIRTY FIVE) THOUSAND EYPTIAN POUNDS from the then SAUDI AMBASSADOR TO CAIRO, EGYPT, in the year 1362 AH.- 1943 A.D. The name of that Ambassador is: IBRAHIM AL-FADEL.

As aforementioned, the Jewish Ancestor of the SAUDI FAMILY, (MORDAKHAI), practiced polygamy by marrying a lot of Arab women and begot many children; his polygamous practice is, at the present time, being carried out " to the letter" by his descendants; they cling to his marital heritage!

One of MORDAKHAI'S sons called AL-MAQARAN, arabized from the Jewish root (MACK-REN) begot a son called Mohammad, then another son called SAUD, which is the name of the present day SAUDI DYNASTY.

Descendants of SAUD (the present day SAUDI FAMILY )started a campaign of assassination of the prominent leaders of the Arab Tribes under the pretence that those leaders were apostates; renegading from the Islamic Religion, and deserting their Koranic doctrines; so they deserved the SAUDI condemnation and slaughter!

In the History Book of the SAUDI FAMILY pages (98-101), their private family historian declares that the SAUDI DYNASTY considers all the people of NAJD blasphemous; so their blood must be shed, their properties confiscated, and their females be taken as concubines; no Muslim is authentic in his /her belief unless he/she belongs (affiliates) to the sect of MOHAMMAD BIN ABDUL WAHAB, (whose origins are also Jewish from TURKEY.) His doctrines give authority to the SAUDI FAMILY to destroy the villages with all their inhabitants-males including children, and to sexually assault their women; stab the bellies of the pregnant, and cut off the hands of their children, then burn them! They are further authorized by such a BRUTAL DOCTRINE to plunder all the properties of whom they call renegades (not following their Wahabi Sect).

Their hideous Jewish Family has, in fact, done all that kind of atrocities in the name of their false religious sect (the Wahabi), which was actually invented by a Jew so as to sow the seeds of terror in the hearts of people in towns and villages. This Jewish Dynasty has been committing such brutal atrocities ever since 1163 A.H. They have named the whole Arabian Peninsula after their family name (SAUDI ARABIA) as if the whole region is their own personal real estate, and that all other inhabitants are their mere servants or slaves, toiling day and night for the pleasure of their masters (THE SAUDI FAMILY).

They are completely holding the natural wealth of the country as their own property. If any poor person from the common people raises his/her voice complaining against any of the despotic rules of this Jewish Dynasty, (the Dynasty) cuts off his/her head in the public square. A princess of theirs once visited FLORIDA, USA, with her retinue; she rented 90 (NINETY) Suite rooms in a Grand Hotel for about One Million Dollars a night! Can anyone of their subjects comment about that extravagant event? If he/she does, his/her fate is quite known: DEATH WITH THE EDGE OF THE SAUDI SWORD IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE!!!!!!

Witnesses on the Jewish Ancestry of this Saudi Family:

In the 1960's the "SAWT AL ARAB" Broadcasting Station in Cairo, Egypt, and the YEMEN Broadcasting Station in SANA'A confirmed the Jewish Ancestry of the SAUDI Family.

King FAISAL AL-SAUD at that time could not deny his family's kindred with the JEWS when he declared to the WASHINGTON POST on September 17, 1969 stating: "WE, THE SAUDI FAMILY, are cousins of the Jews: we entirely disagree with any Arab or Muslem [sic] Authority which shows any antagonism to the Jews; but we must live together with them in peace. Our country (ARABIA) is the Fountain head from where the first Jew sprang, and his descendants spread out all over the world." That was the declaration of KING FAISAL AL-SAUD BIN ABDUL AZIZ!!!!!

HAFEZ WAHBI, The SAUDI Legal Adviser, mentioned in his book entitled: "THE PENINSULA OF ARABIA" that KING ABDUL AZIZ AL-SAUD, who died in 1953, had said : "Our Message (SAUDI MESSAGE) encountered the opposition of all Arab Tribes; my grandfather, SAUD AWAL, once imprisoned a number of the Sheikhs of MATHEER Tribe; and when another group of the same tribe came to intercede for the release of the prisoners, SAUD AWAL gave orders to his men to cut off the heads of all the prisoners, then, he wanted to humiliate and derogate the interceders by inviting them to eat from a banquet he prepared from the cooked flesh of his victims whose cut off heads he placed on the top of the food platters!! The interceders became so alarmed and declined to eat the flesh of their relatives; and, because of their refusal to eat, he ordered his men to cut off their heads too. That hideous crime was committed by that self imposed king to innocent people whose guilt was their opposition to his most cruel and extremely despotic rules.

HAFEZ WAHBI, states further that King ABDUL AZIZ AL-SAUD related that bloody true story to the Sheikhs of the MATHEER Tribe, who visited him in order to intercede for their prominent leader at that time, FAISAL AL DARWEESH, who was the king's prisoner. He related that story to them in order to prevent them from interceding for the release of their Sheikh; otherwise, they would face the same fate; He killed the Sheikh and used his blood as an ablution liquid for him just before he stood up for his prayer (after the false sect doctrine of the Wahabi); The guilt of FAISAL DARWEESH at that time was that he had criticized King ABDUL AZIZ AL-SAUD when the king signed the document which the English Authorities prepared in 1922 as a declaration for giving PALESTINE to the Jews; his signature was obtained in the conference held at AL AQEER in 1922.

That was and still is the system of this Regime of the JEWISH FAMILY (SAUDI FAMILY): All its goals are: plundering the wealth of the country, robbing, falsifying, and committing all kinds of atrocity, iniquity, and blasphemy-all are executed in compliance with their self invented Wahabi Sect which legalizes the chopping of the heads of their opposing subjects.

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Al gayzeera

LOL. You get the point. There is no propaganda there. They are just interviewing random Iraqis.

But you and everyone else got the point of my long post, hopefully.

I suggest you watch this Iraqi Arab in action and his speech especially the last two clips:

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His gift to the puppet of the Mullah's (Ahmadinajad):

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Very strange,nothing happening yet.
Its all game of oil , if US and Eu lift embargo from Iranian oil then profit margin will be shared among other countries of the region. Iran is one of the biggest oil producer . Buyers will have more choices and will be in better bargaining position. Eventually price of oil will go down per barrel anyway.
 
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Its all game of oil , if US and Eu lift embargo from Iranian oil then profit margin will be shared among other countries of the region. Iran is one of the biggest oil producer . Buyers will have more choices and will be in better bargaining position. Eventually price of oil will go down per barrel anyway.
Its only about Sunni/Shia and nothing else.
The market for oil is so big,both could earn for decades.
 
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Its only about Sunni/Shia and nothing else.
The market for oil is so big,both could earn for decades.
Well religion is being used....but its more like issue of nationalism ..
 
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Yes but in this case nationalism equals sectarianism.
Region is heavily guarded by Arabs, Perisan, Turks and Kurds...where in this whole scenario personally notice a fraction of religious element...put all foot soldiers on religious duty...but on top something else..
 
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