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In the last two years, three Saudi princes living in Europe have disappeared. All were critical of the Saudi government - and there is evidence that all were abducted and flown back to Saudi Arabia… where nothing further has been heard from them.

Early in the morning on 12 June 2003, a Saudi prince is being driven to a palace on the outskirts of Geneva.

His name is Sultan bin Turki bin Abdulaziz, and the palace belongs to his uncle, the late King Fahd. It's the king's favourite son, Prince Abdulaziz bin Fahd, who has invited him to breakfast.

Abdulaziz asks Sultan to return to Saudi Arabia - where he says a conflict over Sultan's criticisms of the Saudi leadership will be resolved.

Sultan refuses, at which point Abdulaziz excuses himself to make a phone call. The other man in the room, the Saudi Minister of Islamic Affairs, Sheikh Saleh al-Sheikh, leaves too and after a few moments masked men rush in. They beat Sultan and handcuff him, then a needle is plunged into his neck.

Unconscious, Sultan is rushed to Geneva airport - and carried on to a Medevac plane that is conveniently waiting on the tarmac.

Such, at least, is Sultan's account of the events, as told to a Swiss court many years later.

Among Sultan's staff, waiting at a Geneva hotel for him to return from his breakfast appointment, was his communications officer, Eddie Ferreira.

"Progressively, as the day went on the silence became deafening," he remembers. "We couldn't reach the security team. That was the first real alert. We tried to contact the prince; there was no response, no answer."

Then, in the afternoon, two unexpected visitors arrived.

"The Saudi ambassador to Switzerland came in with the general manager of the hotel and quite simply just told everybody to vacate the penthouse and get out," Ferreira says. "The prince was in Riyadh, our services were no longer required, and we could leave."

What had Prince Sultan done that could have led his family to violently drug and kidnap him?

The previous year he had arrived in Europe for medical treatment, and started giving interviews critical of the Saudi government. He condemned the country's record on human rights, complained about corruption among princes and officials, and called for a series of reforms.

Ever since 1932, when King Abdulaziz, known as Ibn Saud, founded Saudi Arabia, the country has been ruled as an absolute monarchy. It does not tolerate dissent.

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Image captionPrince Turki bin Bandar meets Pakistan's finance minister in 2003
Prince Turki bin Bandar was once a major in the Saudi police, with responsibility for policing the royal family itself. But a bitter family dispute over a contested inheritance landed him in prison, and on his release he fled to Paris, where, in 2012, he began posting videos on YouTube calling for reform in Saudi Arabia.

The Saudis reacted as they had with Prince Sultan, and tried to persuade Turki to return. When Ahmed al-Salem, the deputy minister of the interior called, the prince recorded the conversation and posted it online.

"Everybody's looking forward to your return, God bless you," says the deputy minister.

"Looking forward to my return?" replies Turki. "What about the letters your officers send me? 'You son of a whore, we'll drag you back like Sultan bin Turki.'"

The deputy minister replies reassuringly: "They won't touch you. I'm your brother."

"No they're from you," says Turki. "The Ministry of Interior sends them."

Turki went on publishing videos until July 2015. Then, sometime later that year, he disappeared.

"He called me every month or two," says a friend, the blogger and activist Wael al-Khalaf.

"Then he disappeared for four or five months. I was suspicious. [Then] I heard from a senior officer in the kingdom that Turki bin Bandar was with them. So they'd taken him, he'd been kidnapped."

After a long search for news of Turki, I found an article in a Moroccan newspaper, which said that he had been about to return to France after a visit to Morocco, when he was arrested and jailed. Then, following a request from the Saudi authorities, he was deported with the approval of a Moroccan court.

We don't know for certain what happened to Turki bin Bandar, but before he disappeared he gave his friend Wael a copy of a book he'd written, in which he had added what may be a prophetic note.

"Dear Wael, these statements are not to be shared unless I am kidnapped or assassinated. I know I will be kidnapped or they will assassinate me. I also know how they abuse my rights and those of the Saudi people."

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Around the same time as Prince Turki vanished another Saudi prince, Saud bin Saif al-Nasr - a relatively minor royal with a liking for Europe's casinos and expensive hotels - shared a similar fate.

In 2014 Saud began writing tweets that were critical of the Saudi monarchy.

He called for the prosecution of Saudi officials who'd backed the overthrow of Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi the previous year.

Then, in September 2015, Saud went further.

After an anonymous Saudi prince wrote two letters calling for a coup to remove King Salman, Saud publicly endorsed them - the only royal to do so. This was tantamount to treason, and may have sealed his fate.

A few days later, he tweeted: "I call for the nation to turn the content of these letters into popular pressure." Then his Twitter account went silent.

Another dissident prince - Prince Khaled bin Farhan, who fled to Germany in 2013 - believes Saud was tricked into flying from Milan to Rome to discuss a business deal with a Russian-Italian company seeking to open branches in the Gulf.

"A private plane from the company came and took Prince Saud. But it didn't land in Rome, it landed in Riyadh," Khaled says.

"It turned out Saudi intelligence had fabricated the entire operation," he claims.

"Now Prince Saud's fate is the same as Prince Turki's, which is prison… The only fate is an underground prison."

Prince Sultan, being higher up the royal pecking order, was shuttled between prison and house arrest. But his health was also deteriorating, so in 2010 the royal family allowed him to seek medical treatment in Boston, Massachusetts.

What he did from the safety of his US exile must have horrified the Saudis - he filed a criminal complaint in the Swiss courts, accusing Prince Abdulaziz bin Fahd and Sheikh Saleh al-Sheikh of responsibility for his 2003 kidnap.

His American lawyer, Clyde Bergstresser, obtained a medical record from King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh, where Sultan was admitted on 13 June 2003, which indicated that a tube had been placed into his mouth to help him breathe while anaesthetised, and that one side of his diaphragm was paralysed - presumably as a result of the assault.

For the first time a senior Saudi royal was launching a criminal complaint, in a Western court, against another family member.

But Bergstresser says the Swiss authorities have shown little interest in the case.

"Nothing has been done to pursue what occurred at the airport," he says. "Who were the pilots? What were the flight plans when these planes from Saudi Arabia arrived? This abduction occurred on Swiss soil and one would think that there would be an interest in finding out how that occurred."

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In January 2016, Sultan was staying at an exclusive Paris hotel when, like Saud bin Saif al-Nasr, he was tempted on to an aeroplane.

He was planning to visit his father, also a well-known critic of the Saudi government, in Cairo, when the Saudi consulate offered him and his entourage of about 18 - including a personal doctor and nurses and bodyguards from the US and Europe - the use of a private jet.

Despite what had happened to him in 2003, he accepted.

Two members of the entourage explain how events unfolded. Both prefer to remain anonymous.

"We pulled on to the tarmac and in front of us was a huge airplane, with... it had the country of Saudi Arabia written on it," says one.

"It was a little eerie because there were a lot of crew members on board. All of them were male," says the other.

The plane took off with in-flight monitors showing it was bound for Cairo. But two-and-a-half hours into the flight, the monitors went blank.

Prince Sultan was sleeping in his room, but he woke up about an hour before landing. He looked out of the window, and appeared anxious, the former members of his staff say.

As it dawned on the passengers that they were about to land in Saudi Arabia, Sultan started banging on the cockpit door and crying for help. A crew member ordered the prince's team to stay in their seats.

"We looked out the window and we just saw a bunch of people get out with their rifles slung over their chest and surrounded the plane," says one of the members of his entourage.

The soldiers and cabin crew dragged Sultan from the plane. He was screaming at his team to call the US embassy.

The prince and his medics were taken to a villa and put under armed guard. On the plane the others waited nervously. They were later taken to a hotel, held for three days without passports or telephones, then allowed to fly to a destination of their choice.

Before they left, a Saudi official, who the prince's staff recognised as one of the "flight attendants" on the plane, offered an apology.

"He told us that we were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. And that he was sorry for the inconvenience," one of them says.

The other adds: "I wasn't inconvenienced - I was kidnapped. I was held against my will in a country that I did not choose to go to."

It was an astonishing situation. Together with Prince Sultan, about 18 foreign nationals had been kidnapped, taken to Saudi Arabia, and held by the Saudi military.

There has been no news of Prince Sultan since these events.

I asked the government of Saudi Arabia to respond to the allegations in this film. It declined to comment.

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Meanwhile Prince Khaled, still exiled in Germany, worries that he too will be forced to return to Riyadh.

"There were four of us family members in Europe. We criticised the family and its rule in Saudi Arabia. Three of us were kidnapped. I'm the only one left," he says.

Could he be next on the abduction list?

"I'm convinced. I've been convinced for a long time. If they could do it, they'd have done it by now. I'm very cautious, but it's at the price of my freedom."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40926963
 
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bunch of traitors to their family and country got arrested calling for change by violent ways like coup or revolution
if there is change it will be by the saudi people and Saudi royal family

and it is hillarious that mullah boy who posted the article

iran is sweden of middle east when it comes to human rights :partay:
 
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bunch of traitors to their family and country got arrested calling for change by violent ways like coup or revolution
if there is change it will be by the saudi people and Saudi royal family

and it is hillarious that mullah boy who posted the article

iran is sweden of middle east when it comes to human rights :partay:
Compared to saudi Iran is Eden, Iran is paradise. Even life in Myanmar and NK is a way better than saudi plus it's neighbors thanks to Najdi fatty princes & British made wahhabism. Even theater, cinema and music is Haram in your country which is a world record...

Some months ago I watched a documentary about a Saudi woman visiting Iran. She Iran is paradise compared to saudi in every aspect.
 
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interesting internal politics ...
why does Saudi king care about dissent by a petty prince abroad ?

A lot of it sounds like extracts from a science fiction movie.

One wonders why they did nothing against the biggest and most senior critique and members of his family such as Talal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud and numerous others who started political parties abroad, where allied with enemies for a while (Ba'athists) etc.

Anyway this is actually good and shows once again that House of Saud members, once when engaging in hostile and traitorous endeavors such as calling for violent coups, will be hunted down. Just like when they murder someone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turki_bin_Saud_al-Kabir

Compared to saudi Iran is Eden, Iran is paradise. Even life in Myanmar and NK is a way better than saudi plus it's neighbors thanks to Najdi fatty princes & British made wahhabism. Even theater, cinema and music is Haram in your country which is a world record...

Some months ago I watched a documentary about a Saudi woman visiting Iran. She Iran is paradise compared to saudi in every aspect.

KSA is ahead of Iran on all fronts. In terms of infrastructure, living standards, wealth, security, stability, international relations, healthcare, education etc. This is all confirmed by international rankings, statistics (pure numbers) etc.


There is nothing called Wahhabism. It is Hanbali Sunni Islam which is 1150 years old. Predates the notion of a UK, lol.

Theaters exists in KSA. Several concerts were recently held and have been for a long time. Cinema being back after a 25 year long break is a question of time.

As for your last comment, I honestly don't think that such an documentary ever exists, but you are free to post it here so we can all see it.

interesting internal politics ...
why does Saudi king care about dissent by a petty prince abroad ?

That's why this sounds fishy to me. They could have been given warnings (rightly so) but to waste such time and resources, including the last episode that this BBC article is describing, I find hard to believe given that much more famous House of Saud critics, home and abroad, have not experienced this.

BTW I don't have anything against the government punishing dissent harshly in times like that. In fact the way this is done is too weak. Some kind of civil war occurring would be catastrophic and counterproductive.

We are on the right track in terms of reforms, Saudi Vision 2030, the international numbers and statistics confirm this fact on numerous fronts (not something that I make up), so I would hate to see that be stopped just because of a few opportunists who think that everything can be done within 1 month or 2. The ideology of those opportunists ("liberals", "Islamists" etc.) should not matter here. Their approach risks destroying the country completely. Won't be allowed by anyone. What has been occurring in the neighborhood in recent times and throughout the decades (while KSA was always stable) should have taught even the biggest and most naive opportunists what the chances of a quick fix is. It's likely zero.

Since when he is missing if you want know where he is then its the address
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If you like to go to see the dead monarch you're welcome nobody stop you .

Well, maybe they want to see his family members who I think all live abroad. At least 99% of them.

BTW, is it not funny that a Middle Eastern (looking like one too) wannabe "Aryan" deluded egomaniac and son of stapler at the Dutch embassy that was created a Shah (King) overnight, ended up being buried in the historical quarter of Cairo (built by Arabs), in Egypt of all countries in the world? Apparently he could not find a non-Arab country to be buried in.

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To make it perfectly clear here, I am not against dissidents calling for peaceful changes in the country that won't hurt the country and the people. For instance, irrespective of ideological or religious beliefs here, I believe that the case with Raif Badawi and similar people, should have been handled in a different manner and this decision deserves criticism. Here blind following is not the right answer.
 
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A lot of it sounds like extracts from a science fiction movie.

One wonders why they did nothing against the biggest and most senior critique and members of his family such as Talal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud and numerous others who started political parties abroad, where allied with enemies for a while (Ba'athists) etc.

Anyway this is actually good and shows once again that House of Saud members, once when engaging in hostile and traitorous endeavors such as calling for violent coups, will be hunted down. Just like when they murder someone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turki_bin_Saud_al-Kabir



KSA is ahead of Iran on all fronts. In terms of infrastructure, living standards, wealth, security, stability, international relations, healthcare, education etc. This is all confirmed by international rankings, statistics (pure numbers) etc.


There is nothing called Wahhabism. It is Hanbali Sunni Islam which is 1150 years old. Predates the notion of a UK, lol.

Theaters exists in KSA. Several concerts were recently held and have been for a long time. Cinema being back after a 25 year long break is a question of time.

As for your last comment, I honestly don't think that such an documentary ever exists, but you are free to post it here so we can all see it.



That's why this sounds fishy to me. They could have been given warnings (rightly so) but to waste such time and resources, including the last episode that this BBC article is describing, I find hard to believe given that much more famous House of Saud critics, home and abroad, have not experienced this.

BTW I don't have anything against the government punishing dissent harshly in times like that. In fact the way this is done is too weak. Some kind of civil war occurring would be catastrophic and counterproductive.

We are on the right track in terms of reforms, Saudi Vision 2030, the international numbers and statistics confirm this fact on numerous fronts (not something that I make up), so I would hate to see that be stopped just because of a few opportunists who think that everything can be done within 1 month or 2. The ideology of those opportunists ("liberals", "Islamists" etc.) should not matter here. Their approach risks destroying the country completely. Won't be allowed by anyone. What has been occurring in the neighborhood in recent times and throughout the decades (while KSA was always stable) should have taught even the biggest and most naive opportunists what the chances of a quick fix is. It's likely zero.



Well, maybe they want to see his family members who I think all live abroad. At least 99% of them.

BTW, is it not funny that a Middle Eastern (looking like one too) wannabe "Aryan" deluded egomaniac and son of stapler at the Dutch embassy that was created a Shah (King) overnight, ended up being buried in the historical quarter of Cairo (built by Arabs), in Egypt of all countries in the world? Apparently he could not find a non-Arab country to be buried in.

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To make it perfectly clear here, I am not against dissidents calling for peaceful changes in the country that won't hurt the country and the people. For instance, irrespective of ideological or religious beliefs here, I believe that the case with Raif Badawi and similar people, should have been handled in a different manner and this decision deserves criticism. Here blind following is not the right answer.
Aryans are middle eastern Hitler was an Aryan wanabee
And by the way all his family address are known and they are not lost and not all his family members live abroad . many of them still live in Iran ,well they are not close family but remote family member .
 
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Aryans are middle eastern Hitler was an Aryan wanabee
And by the way all his family address are known and they are not lost and not all his family members live abroad . many of them still live in Iran ,well they are not close family but remote family member .

Aryan just means "noble" just like "Sharif" means highborn and noble. It's not a race and never was. It was likely a group of people who called themselves highborns in order to gain prestige and to legitimatize their power. Similar examples in history elsewhere, even within the Arab world if we look at ancient history. I was just making a bit of fun as I imagine that such kind of Iranians from abroad (but not only) visit his tomb in Cairo of all places in the world.

What is wrong with going after citizens who call for a violent overthrow in a country in times like those knowing very well what has been happening in the region throughout the decades whenever something like this has occurred? House of Saud is a huge family. 15.000 members out of which only about 2000 or so have real influence and wealth. An entire House of Saud branch lives in Iraq. They are not even citizens. Another branch (Saud al-Kabir) have little power aside from those members of that branch that have intermarried with the many descendants of Ibn Saud.

BTW this is funny, every government is going after dissidents that are considered as harmful for that country's security. Nevertheless as explained in post 8 this article is very fishy.

Speaking about BBC:

Iran judiciary freezes assets of BBC Persian staff

By Rana Rahimpour
BBC Persian

15 August 2017
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Image caption The BBC was not notified of the court order, which names 152 individuals

The BBC has called on the Iranian authorities to reverse a new order that appears to effectively freeze the assets of its staff in Iran.

BBC World Service Director Francesca Unsworth said it deplored the apparent "targeted attack" on BBC Persian staff, former staff and some contributors.

She said the order was preventing staff from selling or buying property, cars and other goods.

BBC Persian, which broadcasts on TV, on radio and online, is banned in Iran.

In recent years staff and their family members have been routinely subjected to harassment and intimidation by the Iranian authorities.

BBC Persian has obtained a court order that lists the names of 152 staff, former staff and contributors whose non-liquid assets have been frozen by Iran's judiciary.

It was issued by the Shahid Moghadas Courthouse, which is based at Tehran's Evin prison.

The BBC was not notified of the court order and only learnt about the asset freeze when a relative of a BBC Persian employee tried to sell a property on their behalf.

The Iranian judiciary has given no explanation for the court order.

"We deplore what appears to be a targeted attack on BBC Persian staff, former staff, and some contributors," said Ms Unsworth in a statement on Tuesday.

"It is appalling that anyone should suffer legal or financial consequences because of their association with the BBC."

"We call upon the Iranian authorities to reverse this order urgently and allow BBC staff and former staff to enjoy the same financial rights as their fellow citizens."

The management of BBC Persian described the court order as another attempt by Iran's judiciary to silence impartial journalists.

Amir Azimi, acting head of BBC Persian, said journalists working for the Persian service would continue to bring independent, impartial and trusted news to Persian speakers around the world.

Despite the ban in Iran, the latest figures show the BBC World Service has an audience of 13 million in the country, making it the seventh biggest market worldwide for BBC News.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40936023
 
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I never liked their way of government it is against the law of Islam and against the soul of Islam the royal family what we call today once was a a thief's who looted hajj pilgrims than ottoman empire came to save Muslims from these thugs but Jews knew with ottoman growing Jews never be able to play their game what they are playing today this is why basterd Lawrence of Arabia came as Jew savior

Current king is worst of them all bet me
 
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Prince should've known that there is no running from the world's biggest fiefdom's mafia boss.......... :D
 
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Oops! a slip of the tongue in te article: Saud bin Saif al-Nasr - a relatively minor royal with a liking for Europe's casinos and expensive hotels - shared a similar fate.,

This says it all.. these guys were most likely addicted to gambling (yes it is as dangerous as hard drugs and Alcohol!),, and who knows to what else! They were already giving a bad image to KSA somehow.. and when asked to rehabilitate, they revolted and thought that they will be protected by European countries where they were spending a lot of money, but they did not hold any European citizenship, so they were forced back home by KSA to save its image abroad.. the two shown princes in the first photos looked sick somehow, the third one was likely sick too from sleepless nights in Casinos and from Alcohol.. while the fourth one looks quite healthy and did not have stirred any trouble, so he was left alone, because he just enjoys his life in Europe..
 
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