Saudi Arabian women join their male counterparts on stadiums after stadium ban removal

[Saif al-Arab]

WTF, So they have a ban on Cinemas/film industry as well?
What the hell is wrong with this people? How does movies harm the country/religion?
This your young Prince really have alot of work to do to reform this country as a whole.
At least he has started, so that's a good thing.

Because of events likes those in 1979

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/how-1979-siege-mecca-haunts-house-saud

and afterwards Afghan-Soviet war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Afghan_War

and the rulers pleasing the minority of ultraconservatives in fear of a greater uprising. So they had to give concessions to this segment of the society and abolish many previous practices (women driving, cinema, women allowed in football stadiums and sports stadiums). This was put in place to this very day despite the vast majority of people (citizens) not agreeing. So here 35-40 years after you can see how popular such decisions to abolish those idiotic laws and reintroduce what was banned, have been and are among the people.

Also the Iranian Revolution next door in 1979 also played a role.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution

Now normality is returning and people are very happy about this although you have a minority of ultraconservatives who fear that society will be destroyed and who fear the unknown so they prefer status quo.

The many ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, RELIGIOUS, many huge and promising projects like NEOM (as well as 15-20 new industrial cities) reforms are part of the Saudi Arabia Vision 2030 and other plans to transform KSA, such as diversification which has been very successful so far.

So people are very positive and for the first time in a long time they can see progress and much of it in a short amount of time. We are hoping for more and I think that we have reason to be very positive.

@Bubblegum Crisis is good when it comes to links ( ) so he can give you more interesting links.

Oh, I forgot the Sahwa Movement in KSA after 1979 which is a movement that is on its deathbed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahwa_movement

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/vi...7/11/03/Has-Sahwa-ended-in-Saudi-Arabia-.html

http://havokjournal.com/world/middle-east/importing-muslim-brotherhood-creation-sahwa-saudi-arabia/

 

[pin gu]

Because of events likes those in 1979

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/how-1979-siege-mecca-haunts-house-saud

and afterwards Afghan-Soviet war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Afghan_War

and the rulers pleasing the minority of ultraconservatives in fear of a greater uprising. So they had to give concessions to this segment of the society and abolish many previous practices (women driving, cinema, women allowed in football stadiums and sports stadiums). This was put in place to this very day despite the vast majority of people (citizens) not agreeing. So here 35-40 years after you can see how popular such decisions to abolish those idiotic laws and reintroduce what was banned, have been and are among the people.

Also the Iranian Revolution next door in 1979 also played a role.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution

Now normality is returning and people are very happy about this although you have a minority of ultraconservatives who fear that society will be destroyed and who fear the unknown so they prefer status quo.

The many ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, RELIGIOUS, many huge and promising projects like NEOM (as well as 15-20 new industrial cities) reforms are part of the Saudi Arabia Vision 2030 and other plans to transform KSA, such as diversification which has been very successful so far.

So people are very positive and for the first time in a long time they can see progress and much of it in a short amount of time. We are hoping for more and I think that we have reason to be very positive.

@Bubblegum Crisis is good when it comes to links ( ) so he can give you more interesting links.

Oh, I forgot the Sahwa Movement in KSA after 1979 which is a movement that is on its deathbed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahwa_movement

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/vi...7/11/03/Has-Sahwa-ended-in-Saudi-Arabia-.html

http://havokjournal.com/world/middle-east/importing-muslim-brotherhood-creation-sahwa-saudi-arabia/

They are some really important historic moment in those days before 1979 that played a big role in Iran and SA for decision to closing cinemas .
Its one of them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_Rex_fire

I think in one of your links stated that you want to open 2000-3000 new cinema . acts like this for sure will bring more popularity ( mostly youths ) for new government of SA but for sure changes like this will create strong enemies inside too .

 

[Fledgingwings]

A move in the right direction ,but looking at some of the pictures posted above does make it seem their is still a long way to go ....

First step has taken.rest shall come along

Good move by saudi government.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

They are some really important historic moment in those days before 1979 that played a big role in Iran and SA for decision to closing cinemas .
Its one of them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_Rex_fire

I think in one of your links stated that you want to open 2000-3000 new cinema . acts like this for sure will bring more popularity ( mostly youths ) for new government of SA but for sure changes like this will create strong enemies inside too .

I heard about that fire (terrorist attack?) in Iran some years ago.

Yes, those events that I mentioned played the key role in KSA introducing those moronic (my personal opinion) laws. Luckily almost all of such laws from that time are gone nowadays and the few that remain will soon be abolished for good.

Yes, a segment of the society will be against it just like a segment of the society was against television and radio being introduced back in the day and the internet. Nowadays not even the most ultraconservative persons talk about removing TV, radio or the internet. They even use all 3 a lot to spread their messages. Funny world.

Personally I do not believe that there will be any problems. Nothing happened when women were allowed to drive again or when women were allowed to attend sports gatherings. Even in the most conservative cities of KSA women turned up to the stadiums and everything was peaceful.

I think that even those who are against changes (all kind of changes) are not in favor of using violence seeing what has been going on in the region since the Arab "Spring". We even saw that in Iran lately. Probably many more people are discontent with the situation but they prefer not to use violence by all means to have a change. I do not blame them.

First step has taken.rest shall come along

Good move by saudi government.

For him women wearing normal headscarfs is "frightening" (in his own words) while I also posted photos of women without headscarf.

The decision allowing Saudi women in stadiums was first announced in October. (AN Photo)

Al-Hilal female fan from Riyadh and photo taken in Riyadh. (Al-Hilal hometown).

It is a idiotic opinion (IMO) to have. Reeks of ignorance. I am surprised that this comes from a supposed Israeli (I don't think that he is one) since 21% of Israel's population is Palestinian Arab Muslim and women wearing headscarfs in Israel is a common sight. Even many conservative Jewish women do it.

No wonder that one of the oldest Jewish communities (Yemeni) in the world and those with the most knowledge (according to Jewish Rabbis themselves) have kept such TRADITIONAL Jewish laws and traditions in place as that Rabbi mentions in the video above.

Israeli? Really? I don't think so, lol.

 

[pin gu]

I heard about that fire (terrorist attack?) in Iran some years ago.

Yes, those events that I mentioned played the key role in KSA introducing those moronic (my personal opinion) laws. Luckily almost all of such laws from that time are gone nowadays and the few that remain will soon be abolished for good.

Yes, a segment of the society will be against it just like a segment of the society was against television and radio being introduced back in the day and the internet. Nowadays not even the most ultraconservative persons talk about removing TV, radio or the internet. They even use all 3 a lot to spread their messages. Funny world.

Personally I do not believe that there will be any problems. Nothing happened when women were allowed to drive again or when women were allowed to attend sports gatherings. Even in the most conservative cities of KSA women turned up to the stadiums and everything was peaceful.

I think that even those who are against changes (all kind of changes) are not in favor of using violence seeing what has been going on in the region since the Arab "Spring". We even saw that in Iran lately. Probably many more people are discontent with the situation but they prefer not to use violence by all means to have a change. I do not blame them.



For him women wearing normal headscarfs is "frightening" (in his own words) while I also posted photos of women without headscarf.

The decision allowing Saudi women in stadiums was first announced in October. (AN Photo)

Al-Hilal female fan from Riyadh and photo taken in Riyadh. (Al-Hilal hometown).

It is a idiotic opinion (IMO) to have. Reeks of ignorance. I am surprised that this comes from a supposed Israeli (I don't think that he is one) since 21% of Israel's population is Palestinian Arab Muslim and women wearing headscarfs in Israel is a common sight. Even many conservative Jewish women do it.

No wonder that one of the oldest Jewish communities (Yemeni) in the world and those with the most knowledge (according to Jewish Rabbis themselves) have kept such TRADITIONAL Jewish laws and traditions in place as that Rabbi mentions in the video above.

Israeli? Really? I don't think so, lol.

With today's standards yes terrorist attack .

We solved cinema problem in old school way

Problem of radio/tv have been solved somehow but cinema problem is still there .now in Iran we mainly show domestic films at cinema plus very very limited foreign films.

 

[sammuel]

No, I hear I ya. I understand your point and agree with it, even here in the US there are major issues and it reflects in the rankings even though one would think the US is miles and miles ahead of the entire world but it's not. I just found it surprising that Pakistan was lower than Afghanistan. Maybe I'm not very familiar with the inner structure of Pakistan but something tells me that it should at least rank higher than Afghanistan when it was one of the first Muslim countries to elect a great woman to the position of Prime Minister in Benazir Bhutto, and quite a few women hold powerful positions in public office as well as on the international circuit such as Maleeha Lodhi and so on. Maybe the fabric of the inner society is fractured when it comes to women, but if there are women who rise to such powerful positions, that's probably for a good reason and we don't see anything of the sorts in Afghanistan, not even close.

On an optimistic level , the whole world is now wired up , so influence of openness and equality must be coming through from one country to another , whether by internet or satellite tv , I think this is what is behind the changes we see.

What really made a big change in the west regarding woman liberation was two world wars , the men where at war and woman had to take their place in the factories. I find that mutual influence between countries is much better ...

P.S

I don't know how many grains of salt you want to take it with .. but I heard from one rabi that the start of gender equality we see in our recent time ,is one of the signs to the coming of the end of days. May it be so.

 

[Metanoia]

I don't know how many grains of salt you want to take it with .. but I heard from one rabi that the start of gender equality we see in our recent time ,is one of the signs to the coming of the end of days. May it be so.

You do not need a single grain of salt in this regard.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Because of events likes those in 1979

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/how-1979-siege-mecca-haunts-house-saud

and afterwards Afghan-Soviet war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Afghan_War

and the rulers pleasing the minority of ultraconservatives in fear of a greater uprising. So they had to give concessions to this segment of the society and abolish many previous practices (women driving, cinema, women allowed in football stadiums and sports stadiums). This was put in place to this very day despite the vast majority of people (citizens) not agreeing. So here 35-40 years after you can see how popular such decisions to abolish those idiotic laws and reintroduce what was banned, have been and are among the people.

Also the Iranian Revolution next door in 1979 also played a role.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution

Now normality is returning and people are very happy about this although you have a minority of ultraconservatives who fear that society will be destroyed and who fear the unknown so they prefer status quo.

The many ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, RELIGIOUS, many huge and promising projects like NEOM (as well as 15-20 new industrial cities) reforms are part of the Saudi Arabia Vision 2030 and other plans to transform KSA, such as diversification which has been very successful so far.

So people are very positive and for the first time in a long time they can see progress and much of it in a short amount of time. We are hoping for more and I think that we have reason to be very positive.

@Bubblegum Crisis is good when it comes to links ( ) so he can give you more interesting links.

Oh, I forgot the Sahwa Movement in KSA after 1979 which is a movement that is on its deathbed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahwa_movement

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/vi...7/11/03/Has-Sahwa-ended-in-Saudi-Arabia-.html

http://havokjournal.com/world/middle-east/importing-muslim-brotherhood-creation-sahwa-saudi-arabia/

Wow....... 1979 was really a tumultuous year for the middle east and Muslim world at large. Seems the region is what it is today also thanks to what happened that year. That's really unfortunate. To think things could have been very much different in the region had all these events not happened.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Wow....... 1979 was really a tumultuous year for the middle east and Muslim world at large. Seems the region is what it is today also thanks to what happened that year. That's really unfortunate. To think things could have been very much different in the region had all these events not happened.

It was almost 15 years before my time on this earth but to say that the year 1979 was a crap year is putting it mildly if you ask me.

https://twitter.com/x/status/952819488386355200

https://twitter.com/x/status/951841530989436928

https://cic.org.sa/2018/01/thousand...-first-ever-saudi-classico-attended-by-women/

https://twitter.com/x/status/953378393600544768

 

[Malik Usman]

Nothing to do with Arab traditions. How can a 39 year old ban be an Arab tradition? The ban was put in place by influnecial hardliner (ultraconservative) clerics after 1979 as a reaction to the Grand Mosque Seizure in 1979 and the "Islamic" Revolution next door that same year. Read about the Sahwa movement.



Why are you acting stupid? It depends on your interpretation. Most people (vast majority) never supported this law. Many clerics did not either but when we are talking about laws of the past (1979) put in place by the discourse back then and kept alive, it is not always easy to change. You need bold leaders. King Salman is one. MbS is one as well.

Don't tell me that Pakistan does not have controversial laws to this very day.

Yes right everybody knows who is stupid and who made stupid policies.........these are controversial Saudi Policies which always proved to be wrong...........and due to these policies.....half of the Islamic World is under war and millions of Muslims are Killed just due to save their chairs for kingship.....

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Yes right everybody knows who is stupid and who made stupid policies.........these are controversial Saudi Policies which always proved to be wrong...........and due to these policies.....half of the Islamic World is under war and millions of Muslims are Killed just due to save their chairs for kingship.....

Yes, Saudi Arabian in the past 35-40 years. Thus it has nothing to do with events outside of KSA. Moreover most of those laws were cultural (of that time period as has already been discussed in this thread) in origin. Ban of women driving had nothing to do with religion per se. Similar with this law. What has a less than 30 year old law against women driving and women not being allowed on football stadiums (now gone) to do with bloodshed in the Muslim world? The answer is nothing.

Save my time from such nonsense. Are you sitting in Kuwait and writing this post?