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Saudi Arabian high-speed rail link on course for 2015 completion

I NEVER said that it cannot be done. Don't know why both of you are writing this. All I said is that it posses greater difficulties than in most other places and I gave the reasons for that. Nothing more.

Let us stick to the topic. The "discussion" is a bit tiring.
 
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Great news. This railway line is very much needed. It will be busy all year round and crazy busy at the time of Hajj.

It was built for this reason.

We would like to accommodate as many visitors as possible during Hajj, and throughout the year for Ummrah.

Once you're done, I'm sure many people will thank us for the current three-phase expansion of Mecca.
 
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@al-Hasani

I heard that Turkey and KSA are planning to revive the old Ottoman Hejaz Railway with moder High Speed Trains connecting Istanbul to Mecca, do you have any Information about this.

Hejaz Railway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Turkey to Revive Hijaz Rail Line

12 August 2011

The Turkish Government has started work on a plan to revive the Hijaz railway line linking Istanbul in Turkey to Mecca in Saudi Arabia, which was originally built during the Ottoman era in the 20th century.

The plan includes restoration of a 2,200km railway line passing through Turkey, Syria and Jordan to link Istanbul and Mecca, reducing the distance between the two cities to 24 hours.

The train will provide service from Istanbul and run via the Turkish cities of Adana and Othmaneya, before passing through Jordan with Medina as the train's final destination, according to middleeastmonitor.

The high-speed rail is expected to carry more than two million passengers every year to the holy places of Hajj and Umrah, enhancing trade between the countries in the region.


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Jordan: Large-scale railway paves way for regional trade hub

September 16, 2011

In the 1900s, the Hejaz railway line was constructed by the Ottoman Empire to make the Islamic hajj pilgrimage easier to undertake. And the railway line still holds historic importance for most of the countries through which it passes – including Saudi Arabia, Syria and Turkey. But, for modern day Jordan, the Hejaz line is, even today, the country’s only major railway link.

Indeed, other than a key freight rail connection and a passenger link operating on the Hejaz line, Jordan is nearly devoid of key railway links. With a $5 billion railway project in place, though, the country is gearing up for change.

For years, the import-reliant Jordan has had to depend heavily on its roads to import resources and goods. According to Jordan Times, the Kingdom only has about 315 miles of rail track. This is in comparison with around 140,000 miles of rail track in the U.S., which operates one of the largest railway networks in the world. The lack of adequate rail track has led to high import costs and a clogging of Jordan’s highways. According to a Financial Times report, each day up to 4,000 trucks traveled along a Jordanian highway to Saudi Arabia and Syria in 2009. Still, reducing this road congestion through new roads can be a costly and long-drawn affair.

By comparison, railways have a better “track record” so to speak, proving to be a more economic, fuel efficient option that keeps highways unfettered. According to an Association of American Railroads report, U.S freight railroads were four times more efficient than trucks in 2009, with a single freight train capable of carrying the load of over 280 trucks. The report went on to say that even if 10% of the long-distance freight can be shifted from trucks to railroads, it would save over a billion gallons of fuel per year, proving that freight railroads are also more fuel efficient than trucks.

With these advantages in mind, in 2009 Jordan’s transport ministry proposed the construction of a rail network that would cover over 990 miles and cost around $5 billion. Jordan’s railway project is set against the backdrop of a prospective railway boom in the Middle East and Africa region, with plans already underway in Saudi Arabia and Syria. Jordan’s rail network will initially provide a freight rail link from Jordan to Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq, and ultimately, create a passenger rail connection to Lebanon, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia, among others.

Importantly, according to a Jordan Times report, the railway is expected to create 5,000 jobs and provide an 11.1% annual return on investment. The government will contribute part of the funds and invite tenders from private setups to raise the rest of the money for the project. Saudi Arabia-based financier Islamic Development Bank (IDB) is also conducting fundraising talks with global financing giants including the World Bank and the European Investment Bank. Other institutions that are likely to contribute funds include France’s Agence Francaise de Developpement, Japan’s Bank for International Co-operation and Germany’s development bank, KfW. According to media reports, although sourcing funds overnight will not be possible, Jordan should be able to find the financing required over a reasonable period.

Construction of the project is slated to begin in the first quarter of 2012. And, once complete, the benefits will extend beyond job creation, and the reduction of import costs and dependence on roadways. According to the Jordan Times, the IDB said the proposed rail project will not just spur economic growth within Jordan but also spread to neighboring IDB member countries. In fact, it is hoped that the railway will make Jordan a regional trade hub.

But, the most important advantage that Jordan hopes to gain from its rail project is improving its membership chances to join the Gulf Co-operation Council (GCC). Since 1981, oil import-dependent Jordan has been keen to become a member of the GCC, a political and economic alliance between the six oil-rich Gulf countries of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Qatar and Bahrain. Jordan’s planned railway network, which will also connect some GCC members with Jordan, could strengthen its relationship with the GCC and add value to its membership request.

Jordan’s foreign minister said the country will open “formal accession talks” with the GCC this month. With an economy that is struggling, it perhaps has never been more critical for Jordan to attain GCC membership. This could potentially expose Jordanian products and services to member countries’ markets and stimulate cross-border trade and investment. In an announcement this May, the GCC said it was considering Jordan and Morocco’s requests to join its ranks, adding to the growing importance of Jordan’s rail project.

For now, though, Jordan’s GCC membership request is a wait-and-watch game. But the country’s rail project, although still in the planning stages, is taking shape. And against the gloomy backdrop of fierce protests for economic and political reform, the railway not only provides the conduit for goods and services, but offers Jordan a pathway for economic recovery and improved status on the global stage.


Thomas White International
 
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sorry @al-Hasani I'm going to be off the topic, Because the issues raised by these people need to be addressed.

as for the hejaz railway, here's some facts about it;
engineer was german, the german company Siemens was there too , the workers often were locals. the funding for the project was through Muslims donations and even non-Muslims like Germany. Of course, the Ottomans used the train for military purposes, you know, the usual things that they used to do to us; Arabs. sending our body-parts to Istanbul.



if it was up to me, I would open Museum on that train line dedicated to record Ottomans crimes .
 
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Of course, the Ottomans used the train for military purposes, you know, the usual things that they used to do to us; Arabs. sending our body-parts to Istanbul.
What are you talking about Body parts?
I would like to know what Ottomans did to you.
 
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What are you talking about Body parts?
I would like to know what Ottomans did to you.

it's an Ottoman traditions, they take the heads If they won in a battle (talking about Hejaz) sometimes they take the ears and they send all that to Istanbul.
to me? nothing , to my ancestors? A LOT. but hey, I'm not the one who want to pull history and live in the past I'm all for new pages, but you guys are just asking for it.
 
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it's an Ottoman traditions, they take the heads If they won in a battle (talking about Hejaz) sometimes they take the ears and they send all that to Istanbul.
to me? nothing , to my ancestors? A LOT. but hey, I'm not the one who want to pull history and live in the past I'm all for new pages, but you guys are just asking for it.
You cant just make accusations and then leave it like this, show me your sources.

There is not a single offensive comment from Turkish side on this topic, i dont know how we was asking for it.
 
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You cant just make accusations and then leave it like this, show me your sources.

There is not a single offensive comment from Turkish side on this topic, i dont know how we was asking for it.

Mate, i don't know anything about taking heads and ears.(infact we took Dracula's head and send it to Istanbul) But as far as i know when ottoman army laid siege to a city, there were 2 options for them.

1- ) Surrender, all of you and your belongings will be spared.
2-) Resist and no one will be spared from youngest to eldest.

So there can be point in Awadd's post.
 
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Mate, i don't know anything about taking heads and ears.(infact we took Dracula's head and send it to Istanbul) But as far as i know when ottoman army laid siege to a city, there were 2 options for them.
Dracula was a cruel leader to his own people, he impaled thousands of people to intimidate the Ottoman Army, he got what he deserved.

1- ) Surrender, all of you and your belongings will be spared.
2-) Resist and no one will be spared from youngest to eldest.
This was the standard procedure back then, there was even empires who didnt spare the lifes of their enemys even if they surrendered.

So there can be point in Awadd's post.
No there isnt a point, it was never ''Ottoman tradition'' to take enemys Body parts to Istanbul.
There is only one recorded event like this, and this was Draculas head like you and me allready mentioned.

I can understand Europeans having a problem with Ottomans but not Arabs, they had a peacefull time during Ottoman rule but today they are on eachothers throat since the fall of Ottomans.

If its ok to come up with accusations without any source then i can also play this game, but i would show my sources in contrary to others.

Actually i dont even care, we have our own Problems.
 
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@Awadd

Of course the Arabs had it better when they were the rulers (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Famitid Caliphates) but I don't recall any atrocities in Hijaz from any rulers be it Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Famitid, Ottoman, Hashemite (Sharifate of Makkah). Yes, there were some incidents but it happened back then. Nothing systematic.

I know that this was mostly a German project. The West was way ahead of any Muslim power back then and has been for the past 500 years.

Anyway not the topic. I have no interest in some old and primitive compared to today railway. This is not the topic of this thread.

@Aeronaut

Dear, could you please delete all off-topic posts in this thread? Kind of annoying.
 
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Ok deleted.

Sorry 7abibi:kiss3:

I wanted to reply but then I thought that it would be a controversial topic and a lot of trolling would happen. I can tell you that there were unpleasant incidents in the past and we saw the outcome of this in the end but this can be said about any power back then. The Arabs were neither angels when we controlled areas much larger than the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 straight years. From Spain/Portugal in the West to what is now Pakistan in the East.

A lot of infighting on the AP also happened between Arabs and nobody else. But once we got united we saw the results.

You do not need to apologize for anything. I know that this topic raises feelings for some of the people of Hijaz and Al-Bahah. People of Najd and other areas of KSA do not know about it since they were not part of it and ruled themselves like always.
 
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You do not need to apologize for anything. I know that this topic raises feelings for some of the people of Hijaz and Al-Bahah. People of Najd and other areas of KSA do not know about it since they were not part of it and ruled themselves like always.

I wrote an article with a lot of information on this issue, but I decided not to post after reading your post, yes we as حجازيين have history with these atrocities acts. but let's keep the topic clean without any off-topic posts.

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لا تقارنها بالي حصل قبل الف واربعمائة سنة نحن نتكلم عن رسنت هستري يتضمن تهجير قسري وأتركة جبرية و..إلخ بس خلونا بالموضوع حتى لا نفتح الباب لجدل لن ينتهي.
 
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