Saudi Arabian Air, Land, Naval Forces & SANG

[Mosamania]

well if we look at spending saudi arabia is spending 10 times more on airforce then Israel..
most terrifying deal is th recent 30 billion deal (3 times worth of MRCA indian). I dont know that a few updates and f-15s can be so expensive..wouldnt it be better they asked for TOT of f-35 and got 200-300 of these (Japanese buying 40 worth 4.7 billion dollars)

30Billion$ not for 84 Jets only??

This is what the deal include: 84 F-15SA + 70 upgraded to F-15SA standard
70 Apache Block 3 + Upgrade of all existing Apaches to Block 3 standard.
72 BlackHawk (BattleHawk) UH-60i standard plus upgrading all existing BlackHawks to that standard
36 armed Little Birds.
12 Some other helicopter forgot its name.Also armed.
Close to 20,000 Missiles of different kinds.
Close to 30,000 Bombs of different kind.
Training of 16,000 RSAF personnel.
Base equipment and other assorted equipment.

So next time I highly suggest you look into things more carefully we are not idiots buying things for very expensive money and that's it.

 

[ziaulislam]

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its still very expensive..
i mean the f-15 deal may cost 15 billion(still high) but 70 apches and 70 black hawks...
the deal shouldnt have been above 20 billion..
plus why arent they manufactured or assembled in house ..typhoon are to assembled here why not f-15..RSAF should have gone for more typhoon if US would allow it.

lastly RSAf should atleast make bombs and missiles them self now..i dont know why so much training would be needed when RSAF is already familiarized with f-15 and apaches

 

[Zabaniyah]

$30 billion for all that equipment, upgrades and training sounds fine. Anything from the US is generally more expensive and better than anything else.

 

[Indus Falcon]

30Billion$ not for 84 Jets only??

This is what the deal include: 84 F-15SA + 70 upgraded to F-15SA standard
70 Apache Block 3 + Upgrade of all existing Apaches to Block 3 standard.
72 BlackHawk (BattleHawk) UH-60i standard plus upgrading all existing BlackHawks to that standard
36 armed Little Birds.
12 Some other helicopter forgot its name.Also armed.
Close to 20,000 Missiles of different kinds.
Close to 30,000 Bombs of different kind.
Training of 16,000 RSAF personnel.
Base equipment and other assorted equipment.

So next time I highly suggest you look into things more carefully we are not idiots buying things for very expensive money and that's it.

Some Details of the deal, as notified to congress back on 20th October 2010:

1)F15 - 84(new) + 70 (To be upgraded) = 154 F15SA
http://www.dsca.mil/pressreleases/36-b/2010/Saudi_Arabia_10-43.pdf

Saudi Arabia – F-15SA Aircraft
WASHINGTON, October 20, 2010 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress today of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Saudi Arabia of:

84 F-15SA Aircraft
170 APG-63(v)3 Active Electronically Scanned Array Radar
(AESA) radar sets
193 F-110-GE-129 Improved Performance Engines
100 M61 Vulcan Cannons
100 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution
System/Low Volume Terminal (MIDS/LVT) and spares
193 LANTIRN Navigation Pods (3rd Generation-Tiger Eye)
338 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
462 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles (NVGS)
300 AIM-9X SIDEWINDER Missiles
25 Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM-9X)
25 Special Air Training Missiles (NATM-9X)
500 AIM-120C/7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air
Missiles (AMRAAM)
25 AIM-120 CATMs
1,000 Dual Mode Laser/Global Positioning System (GPS)
Guided Munitions (500 lb)
1,000 Dual Mode Laser/GPS Guided Munitions (2000 lb)
1,100 GBU-24 PAVEWAY III Laser Guided Bombs (2000 lb)
1,000 GBU-31B V3 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM)
(2000 lb)
1,300 CBU-105D/B Sensor Fuzed Weapons (SFW)/Wind
Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD)
50 CBU-105 Inert
1,000 MK-82 500lb General Purpose Bombs
6,000 MK-82 500lb Inert Training Bombs
2,000 MK-84 2000lb General Purpose Bombs
2,000 MK-84 2000lb Inert Training Bombs
200,000 20mm Cartridges
400,000 20mm Target Practice Cartridges
400 AGM-84 Block II HARPOON Missiles
600 AGM-88B HARM Missiles
169 Digital Electronic Warfare Systems (DEWS)
158 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Targeting Systems
169 AN/AAS-42 Infrared Search and Track (IRST) Systems
10 DB-110 Reconnaissance Pods
462 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System Helmets
40 Remotely Operated Video Enhanced Receivers
(ROVER)
80 Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Pods
Also included are the upgrade of the existing Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) fleet of seventy (70) F-15S multi-role fighters to the F-15SA configuration, the provision for CONUS-based fighter training operations for a twelve (12) F-15SA contingent, construction, refurbishments, and infrastructure improvements of several support facilities for the F-15SA in-Kingdom and/or CONUS operations, RR-188 Chaff, MJU-7/10 Flares, training munitions, Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated Devices, communication security, site surveys, trainers, simulators, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistical support services, and other related elements of logistical and program support. The estimated cost is $29.432 billion.
This proposed sale will enhance the foreign policy and national security objectives of the United States by strengthening our on-going strategically important relationship with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA).
For the past twenty years the F-15 has been a cornerstone of the relationship between the U.S. Air Force (USAF) and the RSAF. The procurement of the F-15SA, the conversion of the F-15S fleet to a common configuration, and the CONUS training contingent will provide interoperability, sustained professional contacts, and common ground for training and support well into the 21st century.
The F-15SA will help deter potential aggressors by increasing Saudi’s tactical air force capability to defend KSA against regional threats. The CONUS-based contingent would improve interoperability between the USAF and the RSAF. This approach will meet Saudi’s self-defense requirements and continue to foster the long-term military-to-military relationship between the United States and the KSA. Saudi Arabia, which currently has the F-15 in its inventory, will have no difficulty absorbing the F-15SA aircraft into its armed forces.
The proposed sale of this service will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.


2) Helicopters:
http://www.dsca.mil/pressreleases/36-b/2010/Saudi_Arabia_10-44.pdf

Saudi Arabia – AH-64D APACHE, UH-60M BLACKHAWK, AH-6i Light Attack, and MD-530F Light Turbine Helicopters
WASHINGTON, October 20, 2010 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress today of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Saudi Arabia of:
36 AH-64D Block III APACHE Helicopters (70 in total = 36 +24 + 10, see below for details)
72 UH-60M BLACKHAWK Helicopters
36 AH-6i Light Attack Helicopters
12 MD-530F Light Turbine Helicopters
243 T700-GE-701D Engines
40 Modernized Targeting Acquisition and Designation Systems/Pilot
Night Vision Sensors
20 AN/APG-78 Fire Control Radars with Radar Electronics Unit
20 AN/APR-48A Radar Frequency Interferometer
171 AN/APR-39 Radar Signal Detecting Sets
171 AN/AVR-2B Laser Warning Sets
171 AAR-57(V)3/5 Common Missile Warning Systems
318 Improved Countermeasures Dispensers
40 Wescam MX-15Di (AN/AAQ-35) Sight/Targeting Sensors
40 GAU-19/A 12.7mm (.50 caliber) Gatling Guns
108 Improved Helmet Display Sight Systems
52 30mm Automatic Weapons
18 Aircraft Ground Power Units
168 M240H Machine Guns
300 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles
421 M310 A1 Modernized Launchers
158 M299 HELLFIRE Longbow Missile Launchers
2,592 AGM-114R HELLFIRE II Missiles
1,229 AN/PRQ-7 Combat Survivor Evader Locators
4 BS-1 Enhanced Terminal Voice Switches
4 Digital Airport Surveillance Radars
4 Fixed-Base Precision Approach Radar
4 DoD Advanced Automation Service
4 Digital Voice Recording System
Also included are trainers, simulators, generators, munitions, design and construction, transportation, wheeled vehicles and organization equipment, tools and test equipment, communication equipment, Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) systems, GPS/INS, spare and repair parts, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical documentation, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of program support. The estimated cost is $25.6 billion.
This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country which has been, and continues to be, an important force for political stability and economic progress in the Middle East.
The Saudi Arabian National Guard will use the AH-64D for its national security and protecting its borders and oil infrastructure. The proposed sale will provide for the defense of vital installations and will provide close air support for the Saudi military ground forces. This sale also will increase the Saudi National Guard’s APACHE sustainability and interoperability with the U.S. Army, the Gulf Cooperation Council countries, and other coalition forces. Saudi Arabia will have no difficulty absorbing these helicopters into its armed forces.
The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
The prime contractors will be:
The Boeing Company Mesa, Arizona
Lockheed Martin Corporation Orlando, Florida
Sikorsky Aircraft West Palm Beach, Florida
MD Helicopters Mesa Arizona
General Electric Company Cincinnati, Ohio
Lockheed Martin Millimeter Technology Owego, New York
Longbow Limited Liability Corporation Orlando, Florida
ITT Aerospace/Communications Fort Wayne, Indiana
There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.
Implementation of this proposed sale requires the assignment of approximately 900 contractor representatives and 30 U.S. Government personnel on a full time basis in Saudi Arabia for a period of 15 years. Also, this program will require multiple trips to Saudi Arabia involving U.S. government and contractor personnel to participate in annual, technical reviews, training, and one-week Program Reviews in Saudi Arabia.
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.
This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

3) Additional Apache 64D - Block 3's (24 units)
http://www.dsca.mil/pressreleases/36-b/2010/Saudi_Arabia_10-45.pdf

Saudi Arabia – AH-64D APACHE Longbow Helicopters
WASHINGTON, October 20, 2010 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress today of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Saudi Arabia of:
24 AH-64D Block III APACHE Longbow Helicopters
58 T700-GE-701D Engines
27 Modernized Targeting Acquisition and Designation Systems/Pilot
Night Vision Sensors
10 AN/APG-78 Fire Control Radars with Radar Electronics Unit
(Longbow Component)
10 AN/APR-48A Radar Frequency Interferometer
27 AN/APR-39 Radar Signal Detecting Sets
27 AN/AVR-2B Laser Warning Sets
27 AAR-57(V)3/5 Common Missile Warning Systems
54 Improved Countermeasures Dispensers
28 30mm Automatic Weapons
6 Aircraft Ground Power Units
48 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles
106 M299A1 HELLFIRE Longbow Missile Launchers
24 HELLFIRE Training Missiles
1,536 AGM-114R HELLFIRE II Missiles
4,000 2.75 in 70mm Laser Guided Rockets
307 AN/PRQ-7 Combat Survivor Evader Locators
1 BS-1 Enhanced Terminal Voice Switch
1 Fixed-Base Precision Approach Radar
1 Digital Airport Surveillance Radar
1 DoD Advanced Automation Service
1 Digital Voice Recording System
Also included are trainers, simulators, generators, training munitions, design and construction, transportation, tools and test equipment, ground and air based SATCOM and line of sight communication equipment, Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) systems, GPS/INS, spare and repair parts, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical documentation, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of program support. The estimated cost is $3.3 billion.


4) Additional Apache 64D - Block 3's (10 units)
http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36...abia_10-46.pdf

Saudi Arabia – AH-64D Longbow Helicopters, Engines and Night Vision Sensors
WASHINGTON, October 20, 2010 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress today of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Saudi Arabia of:
10 AH-64D Block III APACHE Longbow Helicopters
28 T700-GE-701D Engines
13 Modernized Targeting Acquisition and Designation Systems/Pilot
Night Vision Sensors
7 AN/APG-78 Fire Control Radars with Radar Electronics Unit
(Longbow Component)
7 AN/APR-48A Radar Frequency Interferometer
13 AN/APR-39 Radar Signal Detecting Sets
13 AN/AVR-2B Laser Warning Sets
13 AAR-57(V)3/5 Common Missile Warning Systems
26 Improved Countermeasures Dispensers
26 Improved Helmet Display Sight Systems
14 30mm Automatic Weapons
6 Aircraft Ground Power Units
14 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles
640 AGM-114R HELLFIRE II Missiles
2,000 2.75 in 70mm Laser Guided Rockets
307 AN/PRQ-7 Combat Survivor Evader Locators
1 BS-1 Enhanced Terminal Voice Switch
1 Fixed-Base Precision Approach Radar
1 Digital Airport Surveillance Radar
1 DoD Advanced Automation Service
1 Digital Voice Recording System
Also included are trainers, simulators, generators, training munitions, design and construction, transportation, tools and test equipment, ground and air based SATCOM and line of sight communication equipment, Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) systems, GPS/INS, spare and repair parts, support equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical documentation, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of program support. The estimated cost is $2.223 billion.

 

[Tihamah]

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lastly RSAf should atleast make bombs and missiles them self now..i dont know why so much training would be needed when RSAF is already familiarized with f-15 and apaches

I agree with you, but you should understand these descisions are made by the political leadership, normal Saudi Arabian citizens have no influence over it unfortunately.

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$30 billion for all that equipment, upgrades and training sounds fine. Anything from the US is generally more expensive and better than anything else.

you are correct, it is well known US technology is way superior in general and US weapons proved to be very effective and superior in battles as well.

 

[Indus Falcon]

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[Indus Falcon]

Details of the helicopter order:

1) Saudi Arabian Royal Guard:
10 AH-64D Block III APACHE Longbow Helicopters
The estimated cost is $2.223 billion

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2010/Saudi_Arabia_10-46.pdf

2) Royal Saudi Land Forces:
24 AH-64D Block III APACHE Longbow Helicopters
The estimated cost is US$3.3bn

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2010/Saudi_Arabia_10-45.pdf

3) Saudi Arabian National Guard

36 AH-64D Block III APACHE Helicopters
72 UH-60M BLACKHAWK Helicopters
36 AH-6i Light Attack Helicopters
12 MD-530F Light Turbine Helicopters

The estimated cost is $25.6 billion.

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2010/Saudi_Arabia_10-44.pdf

 

[ziaulislam]

^^^
wow thats expenisve deal but apaches are expensive ..it seems that an apache cost approx 90 million..more than an expected cost of Russian stealth aircraft

but again the sauid have 200 billion dollars of oil money pouring in..where else are they going to spend it..its not like they are investing in other countries like Norwegians are doing

 

[Indus Falcon]

^^^
wow thats expenisve deal but apaches are expensive ..it seems that an apache cost approx 90 million..more than an expected cost of Russian stealth aircraft

but again the sauid have 200 billion dollars of oil money pouring in..where else are they going to spend it..its not like they are investing in other countries like Norwegians are doing

Sir, I think the cost per aircraft is US$44.46m including spare parts and training.

2.223bn+ 3.3bn + 25.6bn = 31.123bn /70 = $44.46m

Secondly despite the American jobs being saved, it's not easy getting state of the art hardware. You do have to pay extra per unit or spend more on associated equipment / ammo to get stuff like this.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

glad pilots are safe

Saudi, French jets collide during joint exercise - Arab News

 

[Mosamania]

The F15C/Ds still has a lot to offer it is a shame we are putting them out of service.

 

[Zarvan]

The F15C/Ds still has a lot to offer it is a shame we are putting them out of service.

Why are you putting them out of service are you not getting them upgraded ?

 

[Mosamania]

Why are you putting them out of service are you not getting them upgraded ?

The S is getting upgraded to SA. C/Ds I dont know what will happen to them but they won't remain in service for long.

 

[Zarvan]

The S is getting upgraded to SA. C/Ds I dont know what will happen to them but they won't remain in service for long.

Than which plane will replace them and when and how much fighters planes will you have than ?

 

[Mosamania]

Than which plane will replace them and when and how much fighters planes will you have than ?

I don't understand exactly what our air force has on mind really. They are replacing the F-5s with Typhoons. They are replacing the F-15S with F-15SA and increasing it's number. But what will replace the Tornadoes?? Those will be out of service as well. And what will replace the F-15C/Ds?? Meaning the AirForce is not yet done buying. Also right now we are like the only air force in the region without UAVs or any news of buying any. I know there is some sort of UAV program going on they already done researching and testing indigenous engines for it.

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