Saudi Arabia to hit back in case of sanctions over Jamal Khashoggi

[IbnAbdullah]

Aoa

Your glorious past was a nightmare not only for the others but for Muslims too you pray that never comeback again your best bet is democracy but at the good hands not corrupted ones

I actually wasn't talking about the Islamic past or Pakistani past, it was a general comment about the pride we (as in people) sometimes feel for the achievements of those before us.

We are always selective about the history we choose.

Muslims boast about the conquests of the Rashidun Caliphate or maybe about Salahudin Ayubi, but we seldom celebrate the loss of spain or the loss of Jerusalem to the crusaders in the first place.

The Persians may talk about their great empires in the past but seldom do they talk about all the time Persia was conquered and ruled for centuries by others.

The Ottomans will talk about the exploits of Suleman the Magnificent but not talk as enthusiastically about the internal causes that led to its weakness.

The Pakistanis mostly look at history through shared belief (so Muslims are counted as our predecessors) instead of using biological or regional identity.
The point is, history is viewed with heavily tinted glasses of our modern world.

Just as in the movie 300 the Spartans became freedom loving, civilized and honourable alpha white males fighting the barbaric hordes of the eastern tyrants, the figures and events of our choice, in whatever history we chose for ourself, become substitutes for our ideals.


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The fact is that the greatness of the past got us to wherever it is that we are and not one bit further.

No matter how great the Empire of Darius was or how splendidly powerful the Achaemenid Empire was, today the power centers of the world are far away. Today the Persians are not increased in relevance in anyway by the collective greatness of its past.

The past of Persia has brought it to wherever it is today, and not one bit further.


That is not limited to Persia, rather applies equally to all others. We are a continuation of our histories, and our present came from our past. So our present is as great as our past allowed us.

Point was - no matter how great our chosen predecessors were, what matters more is where we currently are and where we are headed as a people.

History is great for learning, but being proud of something you didn't do seems a tad strange to me.

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[Sineva]

Aoa



I actually wasn't actually talking about the Islamic past or Pakistani past, it was a general comment about the pride we (as in people) sometimes feel for the achievements of those before us.

We are always selective about the history we choose.

Muslims boast about the conquests of the Rashidun Caliphate or the maybe about Salahudin Ayubi, but we seldom celebrate the loss of spain or the loss of Jerusalem to the crusaders in the first place.

The Persians may talk about their great empires in the past but seldom do they talk about all the time Persia was conquered and rules for centuries by others.

The Ottomans will talk about the exploits of Suleman the Magnificent but not talk as enthusiastically about the internal causes that led to its weakness.

The Pakistanis mostly look at history through shared belief (so Muslims are counted as our predecessors) instead of biological or regional identity.
The point is, history is viewed with heavily tinted glasses of our modern world.

Just a in 300 the Spartans became freedom loving, civilized and honourable alpha white males fighting the barbaric hordes of the eastern tyrants, the figures and events of our choice, in whatever history we chose for ourself, become substitutes for our ideals.


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The fact is that the greatness of the past got us to wherever it is that we are and not one bit further.

No matter how great the Empire of Darius was or how splendidly powerful the Achaemenid Empire was, today the power centers of the world are far away. Today the Persians are not increased in relevance in anyway by the collective greatness of its past.

The past of Persia has brought it to wherever it is today, and not one bit further.


That is not limited to Persia, rather to all others. We are a continuation of our histories, and our present came from our past. So our present is as great as our past allowed us.

Point was - no matter how great our chosen predecessors were, what matters more is where we are and where we are headed as a people.

History is great for learning, but being proud of something you didn't do seems a tad strange to me.

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Well said sir,well said!

Nobody attacks on Iran
but Iran attacks Iraq,Syria,Lebanon,Yemen even Bahreyn and S.Arabia
and Iran support Armenia against Azerbaijan and Iran and Assad Regime always supported Pkk terrorists against Turkey since 1990s

wth is Iran doing in Yemen ? Iran should pray for that Turkey doesnt attack Iran then S.Arabia and Azerbaijan also will join Turkey and there are over 30 million Turks in Iran ........Iran will be destroyed

but Turkey doesnt want a war between muslims in the region to give happiness to the US and Israel

The US use Iran for milking S.Arabia ,,,,,,,, the US itself can not do any shit to S.Arabia

if S.Arabia is allies with Turkey , the US can not use Iran for milking S.Arabia
and Iran has no power to fight against Turkey+S.Arabia ,,, Iran is so poor and weak
under Turkish protection S.Arabia+Uae could not touch Qatar
and under Turkish protection Iran can not touch S.Arabia ...... then the US will suck

without Turkish Armed Forces Islamic Army is nothing .... and stupid MBS,The US,Israel destroyed relationship between Turkey and S.Arabia and now TRUMP is milking S.Arabia ( trillion dollar ) under the mask of protection against Iran

not alone Turkey but 1,5 billion of Islamic World led by Turkey+S.Arabia easly can become a superpower







plus to own Saudi ARAMCO ( trillion dollar )

Saudi arabia a super power!?,maybe on bizzaro world perhaps but back here on planet earth NOT.A.CHANCE.IN.HELL!!

Before you start dreaming about becoming a super power,you`d better start dreaming about how you`re going to throw off that yoke of american "friendship" ie vassalage,that you`ve got firmly fastened around your neck.Because until you can achieve that you arent going to achieve anything.

 

[cabatli_53]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1051911549584101378

 

[cabatli_53]

Turkey achieves very smart politic maneouvrings on this matter to drive Al-Saud family into corner.

• Turkish side has all voice/video evidence to prove the guilty of kings but never converted the subject into Turkey-KSA conflict with keeping its silence on critical phases.
• The evidence Turkish side captured, has been leaked into some respectful Western media organization instead of Turkish media to drive KSA into corner against West. With this way, Saudi Arabia came face to face with West instead of Turkey.
• When West started to talk about likely sanctions, Saudi Arabia started threatening West, While talking about Turkish side with “brotherhood” stories in order to request help.
• It seems Turkey do not allow Saud team to remove corpse inside Turkey during negotiations done with kings and Now they are talking about accepting the accusations. Master of Al Saud, Trump is even struggling to save Saud family at present.

I really like the way of punishment Turkish side applies against Saud family who is acting hostile against almost everybody including Turkey and brother Qatar which is staying under the protection of Turks. Same family who feel themselves strong thanks to USA support, is actively funding PYD terrorists against Turkey in Syria. A likely embargo will certainly stop terror and (UN reported) warcrimes of Al-Saud family against some Gulf states who think different.

 

[HAIDER]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1051911549584101378

story build up. sorry and excuse

Turkey achieves very smart politic maneouvrings on this matter to drive Al-Saud family into corner.

• Turkish side has all voice/video evidence to prove the guilty of kings but never converted the subject into Turkey-KSA conflict with keeping its silence on critical phases.
• The evidence Turkish side captured, has been leaked into some respectful Western media organization instead of Turkish media to drive KSA into corner against West. With this way, Saudi Arabia came face to face with West instead of Turkey.
• When West started to talk about likely sanctions, Saudi Arabia started threatening West, While talking about Turkish side with “brotherhood” stories in order to request help.
• It seems Turkey do not allow Saud team to remove corpse inside Turkey during negotiations done with kings and Now they are talking about accepting the accusations. Master of Al Saud, Trump is even struggling to save Saud family at present.

I really like the way of punishment Turkish side applies against Saud family who is acting hostile against almost everybody including Turkey and brother Qatar which is staying under the protection of Turks. Same family who feel themselves strong thanks to USA support, is actively funding PYD terrorists against Turkey in Syria. A likely embargo will certainly stop terror and (UN reported) warcrimes of Al-Saud family against some Gulf states who think different.

You fool me once shame on you , you fool me twice shame on me .

 

[cleverrider]

What are you even talking about?

Clown, you asked "What did Pakistan do in the past?" in reply to "Your glorious past was a nightmare not only for the others but for Muslims too you pray that never comeback again your best bet is democracy but at the good hands not corrupted ones"

I answered both sides of the question.

 

[Nein]

If the Saudis going to handover their oil or give Turkey some favourable terms. I dont mind Turkey looking out for its interests.

Turkey needs to stop with this justice bullcrap and look out for its self interests. Everybody does it Turkey does not need to be superman.

Tell the Saudis to hand over favourable terms and Turkey will overlook the journalist.

 

[Aramagedon]

Skinned Khashoggi: (3 pages)

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[Dinky]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1051911549584101378

that's not an interrogation, that is torture.

First the Saudi Story was

"He's not dead"


"OK, he's dead but we didn't kill him"


"OK, we killed him but it was just an interrogation gone wrong."



Next?

The Clown Prince was caught with his pants down and now he is a damage control mode.
While at the same time i see Saudi Trolls like guy blaming it on Turkey lol
Do Saudi's have no shame

https://twitter.com/x/status/1051622715369680896

 

[xenon54 out]

Clown, you asked "What did Pakistan do in the past?" in reply to "Your glorious past was a nightmare not only for the others but for Muslims too you pray that never comeback again your best bet is democracy but at the good hands not corrupted ones"

I answered both sides of the question.

I asked him what Pakistan did that he says it was horrible and he gave the answer, you just come and say Pakistan did more than Turkey hurr durr.

Why do you even stick your nose in that conversation in the first place, i dont care about your opinion.

 

[cleverrider]

I asked him what Pakistan did that he says it was horrible and he gave the answer, you just come and say Pakistan did more than Turkey hurr durr.

Why do you even stick your nose in that conversation in the first place, i dont care about your opinion.

Grammer

I asked him what Pakistan did that he says it was horrible and he gave the answer, you just come and say Pakistan did more than Turkey hurr durr.

Why do you even stick your nose in that conversation in the first place, i dont care about your opinion.

Nose is not the only thing I have stick in something of yours lol (its a public forum for all)! Next time dont bother replying to my post with intellect you have. I have added you to the ignore list.

 

[Ceylal]

 

[Malik Alashter]

That was funny indeed

 

[aziqbal]

Turkish brothers don't respond to Indian agents disguised as Pakistanis

We know the history between the two brother nations

People sold their gold and food to send to Ottoman Turks in WWI from subcontinent

Some of them even walked from their homes to help fight for Ottomans

 

[Clutch]

Riyadh combative as UK, German and French ministers call for credible investigation

Patrick Wintour Diplomatic editor
Sun 14 Oct 2018 18.36 BST First published on Sun 14 Oct 2018 12.13 BST



Jamal Khashoggi has been missing for 12 days since entering the Saudi consulate. Photograph: Mohammed Al-Shaikh/AFP/Getty Images
Saudi Arabia has said it will retaliate against any sanctions imposed over the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi, as the Riyadh stock market had its biggest fall in years.

A host of western companies have distanced themselves from the Gulf state following the journalist’s disappearance, imperilling Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s efforts at economic reform.

Khashoggi has been missing since he entered the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October and is presumed to have been murdered.

Donald Trump has threatened the US ally with “severe punishment” if Khashoggi, who has been critical of Bin Salman, has been killed.

The French, German and UK foreign secretaries ratcheted up the pressure by releasing a joint statement calling on the Saudi government to give a complete and detailed account of Khashoggi’s disappearance, adding that those found to be responsible must be held to account.

Riyadh vowed to hit back against any action. “The kingdom affirms its total rejection of any threats and attempts to undermine it, whether through economic sanctions, political pressure or repeating false accusations,” it said.

“The kingdom also affirms that if it is [targeted by] any action, it will respond with greater action.” The statement also pointed out that the oil-rich kingdom “plays an effective and vital role in the world economy”.

The Saudi response came after the Tadawul exchange in Riyadh dropped by 7% at one point on Sunday, the week’s first day of trading in Saudi Arabia, with 182 of its 186 listed stocks showing losses by early afternoon. The market later pulled back some of the losses.

Business leaders as well as media companies including Bloomberg and CNN have pulled out of an investment conference next week in Riyadh, dubbed “Davos in the desert”.

The belligerence of the Saudi statement is likely to anger US senators pressing for the Trump administration to take tough economic action against Riyadh, including sanctions.

It showed no sign of contrition or clarification of the promise last week to conduct an inquiry into Khashoggi’s disappearance. Instead, Riyadh condemned a “campaign of false allegations and falsehoods”. In what is likely to be a reference to Turkey, and possibly its Gulf rival Qatar, Saudi Arabia claimed some were “rushing and seeking to exploit rumours and accusations to achieve goals and agendas unrelated to the search for truth”.

Saudi Arabia’s vast oil reserves, said to be about 260bn barrels, give it enormous clout in the global economy. It has significant power to drive up prices, which would hurt every major developed economy.

Riyadh is the world’s second-biggest arms importer after India, and 61% of its imports come from the US, supporting thousands of jobs. Trump signed a $110bn (£84bn) defence agreement last year, which stands to benefit US employers such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing and General Electric.

Turki Aldhakhil, the general manager of Al Arabiya, the official Saudi news channel, claimed in an opinion piece that Riyadh was ready to implement 30 measures “without flinching” the moment US sanctions were imposed, including cuts to oil production that could lead to prices rising to $100 a barrel.

“The truth is that if Washington imposes sanctions on Riyadh, it will stab its own economy to death, even though it thinks that it is stabbing only Riyadh,” he wrote.

Aldhakhil warned the repercussions of US sanctions could include a military alliance between Saudi Arabia and Russia, and an end to intelligence sharing.

In the firmest joint language to appear from Europe since the crisis broke, the European foreign ministers said “light must be shed on Khashoggi’s disappearance”.

They said they shared the “grave concerns” expressed by the UN secretary general, António Guterres, and “are treating this incident with the utmost seriousness. There needs to be a credible investigation to establish the truth about what happened, and – if relevant – to identify those bearing responsibility for the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi and ensure that they are held to account.”

The statement added: “We encourage joint Saudi-Turkish efforts in that regard, and expect the Saudi government to provide a complete and detailed response. We have conveyed this message directly to the Saudi authorities.”

Over the weekend, Turkey pressed the UK to use its influence to ensure Saudi Arabia abides by its commitment to launch a joint investigation into Khashoggi’s disappearance.

The Turkish foreign minister, Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, is due to meet his British counterpart, Jeremy Hunt, in London on Monday afternoon. He complained that Saudi Arabia was not allowing Turkish investigators to enter the consulate.

Speaking on Sunday, Hunt said: “What they need to do is cooperate fully with the investigations … and to get to the bottom of this.

“If, as they say, this terrible murder didn’t happen then where is Jamal Khashoggi? If they have got nothing to hide then they will, and should, cooperate.”

The UK also suggested the international trade secretary, Liam Fox, may withdraw from the investment conference if it is shown the Saudi government was involved in the suspected murder.

The official UK position is that Fox’s diary for that week is yet to be finalised. Any British action is likely to be coordinated with the US.

Speaking at the weekend, Trump said – without being specific – there were “very powerful” things the west could do to hurt the Saudis, but stopping arms sales would in the end be America punishing itself.

“There’s something really terrible and disgusting about that [Khashoggi’s suspected murder], if that was the case, so we’re going to have to see. We’re going to get to the bottom of it and there will be severe punishment,” he said.

Democratic senators on the US foreign relations committee said classified intelligence briefings suggested Khashoggi had been murdered by the Saudis or rendered back to Saudi Arabia.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-to-uk-to-persuade-saudi-arabia-to-cooperate