Saudi Arabia seeks death penalty for female rights activist: campaigners

[Jlaw]

Has any Saudi here watched a live beheading?

 

[sammuel]

death penalty is barbaric and should be abolished , not just in saudi but in all countries. Don't know how can a state kill a man in cold blood.

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[El Sidd]

death penalty is barbaric and should be abolished , not just in saudi but in all countries. Don't know how can a state kill a man in cold blood.

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An israeli talking about cold blooded murder.

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[Peaceful Civilian]

Death penalty?
What message they will create for this if woman activists stand for their right.

 

[beast89]

I took a quick glance on Pakistani media and I read dozens of fake and shi** news they write on Saudi Arabia, then I started to think how much hate and envy do these Pakistani hold under their chests while our incompetent ambassador in Islamabad doesn't convey what's really going on out there to our leadership or public in Saudi Arabia.

As I recall there has never been any attack or negative publications in Saudi media against Pakistan despite the fact that Pakistan refused unanimously inside its parliament to send a symbolic troops to Saudi Arabia just to please their masters in Iran.

Saudi Arabia should start by summon our incompetent ambassador there and downgrade our diplomatic relation with Pakistan, then we have to host Baluchi activists and give them a free pass to speak out against Pakistan's atrocities on them.

i'm enjoying your retarded king, sending his men to their doom in yemen . Pray for trump . Saudis should be the last ones talking about media freedom.

 

[sammuel]

An israeli talking about cold blooded murder.

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You can lough all you want , but the fact is we do not have capital punishment in our country while in yours it is still legal ...

Pakistan carried out 7 executions in 2014, 326 in 2015, 87 in 2016, and 65 in 2017

Same goes for all the middle east countries where capital punishment is still practiced.

 

[El Sidd]

You can lough all you want , but the fact is we do not have capital punishment in our country while in yours it is still legal ...

Pakistan carried out 7 executions in 2014, 326 in 2015, 87 in 2016, and 65 in 2017

Same goes for all the middle east countries where capital punishment is still practiced.

Yes

We will continue to do so.

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

You can lough all you want , but the fact is we do not have capital punishment in our country while in yours it is still legal ...

Pakistan carried out 7 executions in 2014, 326 in 2015, 87 in 2016, and 65 in 2017

Same goes for all the middle east countries where capital punishment is still practiced.

each country is different. iran for example has a huge drug trafficking problem because it is the major transit route for afghan drugs entering europe. singapore has a similar problem and hence also has the death penalty for drug traffickers.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Death penalty?
What message they will create for this if woman activists stand for their right.

Not a single non-violent regime critic or "activist" (as we all know what kind of activists are found in our region of the world - everything from radicals to people conspiring against their countries for monetary gain etc.). KSA will never execute those people unless they have been proven to do something really harmful against the state or aided the few terrorists/hooligans in the Eastern Province that shot construction workers and police last year. Which I doubt they are involved in.

As I said, KSA (MBS) and the leadership (while far from perfect, see my initial comments) cannot afford to give total freedom of speech to every group in the society in this crucial time where necessary and great reforms are taking place (economic, religious, social) and allow them to divide the society. It is a fine balancing act between the secular lot and the conservative lot.

Much of what does activists thought for and called for have been accomplished in recent times. If they think that KSA will turn into Denmark overnight (while no such country exists in the region and never did) while it took centuries for Denmark to reach their current democratic system, they are daydreaming when there are conflicts all around us and the country is involved in an intervention in Yemen and there are great regional disputes and rivalries.

Obviously those people have done something that is not looked at favorably or have a large group of followers for the regime to crack down on them when criticism of them and government officials is a normal thing online (Twitter, social media as a whole) and even in person during Majlis and other gatherings or municipalities.

death penalty is barbaric and should be abolished , not just in saudi but in all countries. Don't know how can a state kill a man in cold blood.

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Death penalty in KSA is given for mostly the most heinous crimes ranging from murder, rape, terrorism, armed robberies while committing bodily harm to those you rob, large smuggling of drugs etc. Death penalty is not barbaric at all. Crime rates in KSA are one of the lowest in the world.

How about Israel's foundation, how they have treated Palestinians for 70+ years? Is that not the definition of barbaric? Or stealing their land? Or sentencing people to life sentences where they are rotting slowly in solitary confinement or small prison cells? Is that humane? I think that I would prefer a quick death over 30-40 years in a small prison cell.

Has any Saudi here watched a live beheading?

Have some of the 1.4 billion Chinese witnessed the 1000's of executions that China carry out on a yearly basis (those that are reported)? In KSA less than 100 people are executed on a yearly basis on average despite being located between 3 continents (Asia, Africa and Europe) and bordering some of the most busy sea trade areas where drugs are flowing through.

No, since usually few people watch them and if they do it occurs from afar always. BTW executions in KSA are carried out by a sword (swift beheading, one of the least painful methods, cheapest and showing the reality of executions) in public or shooting "in private" in prisons. Most of the executioners that use swords are Afro-Arabs (all of them) and their job is inherited from father to son. Police in prisons execute criminals by shooting which is done like elsewhere where 10 shooters line up and only 1 or 2 of them ending up killing the condemned eventually due to blank bullets. BTW an execution is an execution. No need to sugarcoat it. I would prefer the beheading method as it is more swift, cheaper and a much older practice that also has a psychological effect on the onlookers.

 

[sammuel]

each country is different. iran for example has a huge drug trafficking problem because it is the major transit route for afghan drugs entering europe. singapore has a similar problem and hence also has the death penalty for drug traffickers.

I do not think the state should have that power , in iran there where also execution of some that took part in the 2009 protests. States abuse this power all the time.

Add to that the courts many time makes mistakes that you cant correct.

The way to fight crime is by education and improving social conditions , there is no need for pointless brutality.

 

[sammuel]

Death penalty in KSA is given for mostly the most heinous crimes ranging from murder, rape, terrorism, armed robberies while committing bodily harm to those you rob, large smuggling of drugs etc. Death penalty is not barbaric at all. Crime rates in KSA are one of the lowest in the world.

How about Israel's foundation, how they have treated Palestinians for 70+ years? Is that not the definition of barbaric? Or stealing their land? Or sentencing people to life sentences where they are rotting slowly in solitary confinement or small prison cells? Is that humane? I think that I would prefer a quick death over 30-40 years in a small prison cell.

Israel conflict with the palestinians indeed needs to be resolved. But it is hardly the worst conflict in the region nor as barbaric as others. And you clearly see the blame on one side way only , which is not the whole picture.

As for death penalty justification you wrote .

If we really want the region to be less brutal , violent and enjoy better human rights and less wars.

Well , it to be more like western europe and less like the middle east. Than we can start by adopting some of their approaches to human rights. And all of them abolished capital punishment.


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[Saif al-Arab]

I do not think the state should have that power , in iran there where also execution of some that took part in the 2009 protests. States abuse this power all the time.

Add to that the courts many time makes mistakes that you cant correct.

The way to fight crime is by education and improving social conditions , there is no need for pointless brutality.

Israel conflict with the palestinians indeed needs to be resolved. But it is hardly the worst conflict in the region nor as barbaric as others. And you clearly see the blame on one side way only , which is not the whole picture.

As for death penalty justification you wrote .

If we really want the region to be less brutal , violent and enjoy better human rights and less wars.

Well , it to be more like western europe and less like the middle east. Than we can start by adopting some of their approaches to human rights. And all of them abolished capital punishment.


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Some people in this world don't deserve mercy (God can give them that instead in the afterlife) or the state's or taxpayers money (not really an issue in KSA yet but will eventually become that) to keep them alive considering their crimes.

If a person killed your closest relatives you would sing another song. I am sure about that. Easy to preach humanism from afar. I can do the same as well. Everyone can. As long as we discuss issues that are not related to us.

People die every second. If the state needs to kill certain people for the benefit of the greater good, so be it. I don't think that capital punishment is barbaric at all.

Yet even in the most liberal European countries at least 1/3 (sometimes 1/2) of all people support the death penalty.

The application of death penalty or the lack of it might not have a direct coloration with decreasing crime rates but I am sure that some of the taugh punishments that are found in KSA (not only but you can mention states like Singapore and China who are even more tough on certain fronts) have an effect to reduce crime rates. Either that or Saudi Arabians are very law-abiding people and not much prone to crime. Which in fact I believe in and I am convinced this is partially due (to a great degree in fact) the culture, Islam and the laws in place that reflect the first two.

Idealism is nice (in a perfect world no violence would take place anywhere in the world) but that is not the reality.

Well, the US, the most technologically advanced nation on the planet and the most powerful uses the death penalty in most states and most people support it too.

Anyway do you really believe that sitting in a small jail cell (often in solitary confinement 23 hours out of 24 - as in the US) until you die is "humane"? I think a murderer aged 25 who murders and knows that he might spend the next 60 years of his life in a small jail cell would prefer a quick death.

 

[sammuel]

Anyway do you really believe that sitting in a small jail cell (often in solitary confinement 23 hours out of 24 - as in the US) until you die is "humane"? I think a murderer aged 25 who murders and knows that he might spend the next 60 years of his life in a small jail cell would prefer a quick death.

The jail conditions is another issue.

And since you mentioned the US , do you know that there is a major jail prison strike in the US ? The vast majority of prisoners are black people though they are only a small part of American population.

That is all due to education and social conditions. Brutality would not solve it.

If society puts them in some hell hole ( as many of the prisons in the world are ) . Does not give him a chance to for education , learn a profession instead they are fred into society in a worse state than before.

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[Arabi]

i'm enjoying your retarded king, sending his men to their doom in yemen . Pray for trump . Saudis should be the last ones talking about media freedom.

Your brothers are being sent to hell and losing grounds every day

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Your brothers in Khomeinism are being sent to hell and losing grounds every day

Let the cretin live in La La Land and obsess about internal Arab affairs that he has nothing to do with. People like him are "amazing" individuals. Can you imagine Arabs being this obsessed the other way around? I cannot.

The jail conditions is another issue.

And since you mentioned the US , do you know that there is a major jail prison strike in the US ? The vast majority of prisoners are black people though they are only a small part of American population.

That is all due to education and social conditions. Brutality would not solve it.

If society puts them in some hell hole ( as many of the prisons in the world are ) . Does not give him a chance to for education , learn a profession instead they are fred into society in a worse state than before.

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So basically "humanity" when it comes to punishment of the worst criminals in every society is an illusion by large and depends on your views of what is "humane".

BTW what is your opinion about Breivik? That guy from Norway that killed almost 100 people and injured over 300? He lives in relative luxury (better than 100's of millions of people in South Asia, Africa etc.) and as far as I am aware of, he was sentenced for 21 years for murdering almost 100 people and injuring 3 times as many!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik