Saudi Arabia has been granted full membership of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF)

[Zapper]

How could KSA vote against Pakistan when it was not even a member?
So what is your source?
Though I know Turkey and China always supported Pakistan.

KSA voted in favor of blacklisting Pak as part of GCC's vote while China abstained from voting
https://eurasiantimes.com/turkey-malaysia-likely-to-support-pakistan-at-fatf-china-uncertain/

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Great news for the 18th largest economy of the world (second only to 265 million big Indonesia in the entire Muslim world) and the largest in the MENA region. Even greater when the largest stock market in the MENA region is based in KSA. This will attract more foreign investment and make it easier for the many successful Saudi Arabian firms to work jointly with foreign firms.

As for the "geniuses" here blabbering about KSA voting for or against Pakistan, KSA had no vote, lol, until today.

But sure the country that hosts the largest Pakistan expat community in the world (that the Pakistani economy is greatly dependent upon) and a country that has been bankrolling the Pakistani economy, nuclear program and military for DECADES, voted no, due to imaginary "US pressure".

KSA, the same country that harmed the US and Western economy the most to date (oil crisis) and who supposedly was behind the most deadly attack (9/11) on US soil in history as well. And apparently bankrolls all the anti-US/Western "terrorist groups" across the entire world not to mention all the mosques and Arabic learning centers and cultural centers. Can the clowns on PDF make up their mind? It can't be both.

 

[New World]

It so unfortunate KSA involve in 911 and Pakistan paid the price and still paying the price in FATF. Means money talk bs walks.

it was Pakistan's own mistakes and non-seriousness to the Pakistan's national security.

KSA has nothing to do with that..

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

It so unfortunate KSA involve in 911 and Pakistan paid the price and still paying the price in FATF. Means money talk bs walks.

If we believe the official version of events, Pakistani individuals where involved in 9/11 as well. Khalid Sheikh Muhammad. Many Al-Qaeda operates (supposedly) were based in Pakistan at the time of attack too. Afghanistan being next door as well.

15 (supposedly) Saudi Arabians (almost all of Yemeni tribal background as OBL himself who was half Yemeni and half Nusayri Syrian) acting on their own = KSA (the country and state) being behind. Using that logic we must conclude that Pakistan was behind that terror attack in London 4 years after and countless of terrorist attacks in India, the region and the West.

No need to cry. KSA was "blacklisted" on that list as well. We did not cry wolf but did something about it. Our inclusion today is the proof of that.

Not that I give much for such lists to begin with as they are politically motivated always.

BTW OBL was stripped of his citizenship (a citizenship that he should never have gotten in the first place as a half Yemeni and half Syrian) back in the 1990's before Al-Qaeda had committed a single terrorist attack.

This mess started due to USSR invading Afghanistan and US involvement there and subsequently them convincing both KSA, Pakistan and a host of Muslim nations to support Afghans. My opinion about this is crystal clear, we should have kept far out from some failed (perpetually) "country" named Afghanistan 1000's of km away that is of no use for KSA or any Arab country.

 

[Nilgiri]

Great news for the 18th largest economy of the world (second only to 265 million big Indonesia in the entire Muslim world) and the largest in the MENA region. Even greater when the largest stock market in the MENA region is based in KSA. This will attract more foreign investment and make it easier for the many successful Saudi Arabian firms to work jointly with foreign firms.

As for the "geniuses" here blabbering about KSA voting for or against Pakistan, KSA had no vote, lol, until today.

But sure the country that hosts the largest Pakistan expat community in the world (that the Pakistani economy is greatly dependent upon) and a country that has been bankrolling the Pakistani economy, nuclear program and military for DECADES, voted no, due to imaginary "US pressure".

KSA, the same country that harmed the US and Western economy the most to date (oil crisis) and who supposedly was behind the most deadly attack (9/11) on US soil in history as well. And apparently bankrolls all the anti-US/Western "terrorist groups" across the entire world not to mention all the mosques and Arabic learning centers and cultural centers. Can the clowns on PDF make up their mind? It can't be both.

Saudi voted through the GCC member vote in all votes (grey listing and black listing of Pakistan) so far. From now onwards it will vote as separate member....but doesn't change fact that twice it has voted against Pakistan now in FATF. The last time it voted in favour of pakistan was the first vote (in FATF regarding pakistan grey listing) in feb 22 2018.

The subsequent vote after that in 2018 (when pakistan was put on grey list) and this black list vote in 2019, KSA voted against Pakistan through GCC vote.

It seem KSA is fed up with Pakistan recently, esp after Pakistan did not commit to Yemen conflict...and also KSA wants to keep relations balanced with India and US regarding this issue.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Saudi voted through the GCC member vote in all votes (grey listing and black listing of Pakistan) so far. From now onwards it will vote as separate member....but doesn't change fact that twice it has voted against Pakistan now in FATF. The last time it voted in favour of pakistan was the first vote (in FATF regarding pakistan grey listing) in feb 22 2018.

The subsequent vote after that in 2018 (when pakistan was put on grey list) and this black list vote in 2019, KSA voted against Pakistan through GCC vote.

It seem KSA is fed up with Pakistan recently, esp after Pakistan did not commit to Yemen conflict...and also KSA wants to keep relations balanced with India and US regarding this issue.

KSA could not vote though the "GCC vote" independently as there are a total of 5 other sovereign GCC countries with different political viewpoints and regional alliances. For instance Oman, led by the homosexual Sultan, have some kind of ridiculous love affair with the Iranian Mullah's due to Iran (Pahlavi) helping that country fight communist rebels in Dhofar (Southern Oman) some 50 years ago. Kuwait too is infested by foreign naturalized Shia Twelver trash that influences politics for the time being and until they get kicked out and removed.

See post 17. Has nothing to do with the US nor India. Pakistan (contrary to PDF which is not representative of Pakistanis nor the Pakistani deep state) Pakistan does not have a closer ally than KSA (nor a more long-standing ally) that people have a direct relationship (millions of Pakistanis have lived or worked in KSA, visited for Hajj or Umrah and many more have relatives or friends who hame, for instance most members of this forum probably have) based on economy, religious ties (1400 year old), cultural ties, ancient pre-Islamic ties (the IVC was closely aligned with contemporary civilizations of Eastern Arabia and Mesopotamia such as Sumer, Magan and Dilmun), people to people contacts, linguistic ties and even DNA ties believe it or not as all the Middle Eastern/Neolithic DNA of modern-day Pakistanis originates in the Arab Near East where the first Neolithic peoples originated and cultures (Natufians of Southern Levant to mention 1 example - the same people who cluster more closely to modern-day Saudi Arabians than any other modern-day population as a side note) etc.

Arabians have always mastered trade and pragmatism (we controlled most of the key trade routes of the world for millennia for a reason - the Arabian Sea is named the Arabian Sea for a reason too) and obviously this is reflected with KSA having close trade ties to India as well. KSA obviously leans towards Pakistan but just like Pakistan does not take sides 100% between KSA/Arabs and Iran (despite leaning towards KSA and Arabs), neither does KSA in the sense that KSA (just like no other Muslim country) is not boycotting India or not having diplomatic ties with it. After all the same Pakistan is trading with India, have diplomatic ties and regularly met (leaders) and most likely representatives of the respective "deep states".

 

[Nilgiri]

KSA could not vote though the "GCC vote" independently as there are a total of 5 other sovereign GCC countries with different political viewpoints and regional alliances.

See post 17. Has nothing to do with the US nor India. Pakistan (contrary to PDF which is not representative of Pakistanis nor the Pakistani deep state) Pakistan does not have a closer ally than KSA (nor a more long-standing ally) that people have a direct relationship (millions of Pakistanis have lived or worked in KSA, visited for Hajj or Umrah and many more have relatives or friends who hame, for instance most members of this forum probably have) based on economy, religious ties (1400 year old), cultural ties, ancient pre-Islamic ties (the IVC was closely aligned with contemporary civilizations of Eastern Arabia and Mesopotamia such as Sumer, Magan and Dilmun), people to people contacts, linguistic ties etc.

Arabians have always mastered trade and pragmatism (we controlled most of the key trade routes of the world for millennia for a reason - the Arabian Sea is named the Arabian Sea for a reason too) and obviously this is reflected with KSA having close trade ties to India as well. KSA obviously leans towards Pakistan but just like Pakistan does not take sides 100% between KSA/Arabs and Iran (despite leaning towards KSA and Arabs), neither does KSA in the sense that KSA (just like no other Muslim country) is not boycotting India or not having diplomatic ties with it. After all the same Pakistan is trading with India, have diplomatic ties and regularly met (leaders) and most likely representatives of the respective "deep states".

GCC vote was in the affirmative the first time for pakistan. Why did it change against it?

First vote:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pakist...tional-terror-financing-watch-list-1519257040

Second vote:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/with-u-s-push-pakistan-placed-on-terror-finance-list-1519401064

In an unusual move, Washington pushed a second vote on the issue late Thursday evening after U.S. officials confronted Riyadh’s representatives to remind them of the extensive partnership the two countries share. After Saudi Arabia subsequently dropped support Pakistan, China abandoned the challenge, according to officials representing the task-force membership.

@MastanKhan

So yeah, the whole saudi didnt have a vote because it was the "GCC" spiel doesn't really fly.

There are also lot of articles out there stating one of the things US said to KSA was if you want to be a seperate member in FATF, you will have to back the grey listing. Seems it just continued on the black list front.

Besides if your assertion is that it was the rest of GCC that was against and pushed the vote their way (against what KSA wanted) for both grey listing and black listing....lets see the articles/evidence stating that.

In any case full membership of KSA now and further voting on the issue will fully clarify it beyond any doubt.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

GCC vote was in the affirmative the first time for pakistan. Why did it change against it?

First vote:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pakist...tional-terror-financing-watch-list-1519257040

Second vote:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/with-u-s-push-pakistan-placed-on-terror-finance-list-1519401064

In an unusual move, Washington pushed a second vote on the issue late Thursday evening after U.S. officials confronted Riyadh’s representatives to remind them of the extensive partnership the two countries share. After Saudi Arabia subsequently dropped support Pakistan, China abandoned the challenge, according to officials representing the task-force membership.

@MastanKhan

So yeah, the whole saudi didnt have a vote because it was the "GCC" spiel doesn't really fly.

There are also lot of articles out there stating one of the things US said to KSA was if you want to be a seperate member in FATF, you will have to back the grey listing. Seems it just continued on the black list front.

Besides if your assertion is that it was the rest of GCC that was against and pushed the vote their way (against what KSA wanted) for both grey listing and black listing....lets see the articles/evidence stating that.

In any case full membership of KSA now and further voting on the issue will fully clarify it beyond any doubt.

Mind explaining to me how KSA is able to vote independently when KSA gained membership today?
Some media reports (the state of journalism today is so bad that a chemical engineer like me could write such articles within minutes as well and very long ones if needed too as well) are of no use here.

Either KSA can vote independently or it cannot. Since KSA has been a member for less than 24 hours, the answer is crystal clear. It could not vote independently.

Yemen is of no use either when KSA and the Arab coalition controls 85% of that mountainous country the size of Syria and Iraq combined and all its oil, gas and strategic ports and cities with the exception of the landlocked capital Sana'a located 2500 meters above sea level and some other nearby population centers.

So USA, India, Yemen or what not has no relevance here. Of course anyone is free to believe your or that media's version of events but it makes no sense giving what I wrote earlier, namely KSA bankrolling Pakistan economically, hosting the largest Pakistani diaspora in the world and KSA having closer ties to the Pakistani deep state/military than any other country and for longer too. But somehow we are to believe that KSA (despite having no independent vote) voting no. Nah, that makes no sense at all. Sorry. Maybe on PDF where there are hordes of KSA-obsessed users contrary to the ground realities in Pakistan where according to all stats and polls, KSA is the most popular foreign country.

 

[Nilgiri]

Mind explaining to me how KSA is able to vote independently when KSA gained membership today?
Some media reports (the state of journalism today is so bad that a chemical engineer like me could write such articles within minutes as well and very long ones if needed too as well) are of no use here.

Either KSA can vote independently or it cannot. Since KSA has been a member for less than 24 hours, the answer is crystal clear. It could not vote independently.

Yemen is of no use either when KSA and the Arab coalition controls 85% of that mountainous country the size of Syria and Iraq combined and all its oil, gas and strategic ports and cities with the exception of the landlocked capital Sana'a located 2500 meters above sea level and some other nearby population centers.

Simple, you can see who the US approached to change the GCC vote. Its all documented.

Essentially all the media themselves called it the saudi vote. Seems the GCC more or less just follow the Saudi de facto chairmanship of the GCC membership in FATF...or however that works.

If say UAE, Kuwait or whomever else simply have no real bone to pick in the situation (or they leaned towards pro-west, pro-india on the matter)....it also simply becomes a Saudi decision....a controlling stake/narrative/veto in the decision since it was against the grey listing in the first vote....but switched its mind after US talked to Saudi representatives.

Besides all this will be cleared up fully in the upcoming votes this year anyway. You can simply watch and see for yourself how KSA votes in so called separate "independent" membership to GCC in FATF.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Simple, you can see who the US approached to change the GCC vote. Its all documented.

Essentially all the media themselves called it the saudi vote. Seems the GCC more or less just follow the Saudi de facto chairmanship of the GCC membership in FATF...or however that works.

If say UAE, Kuwait or whomever else simply have no real bone to pick in the situation (or they leaned towards pro-west, pro-india on the matter)....it also simply becomes a Saudi decision....a controlling stake/narrative/veto in the decision since it was against the grey listing in the first vote....but switched its mind after US talked to Saudi representatives.

Besides all this will be cleared up fully in the upcoming votes this year anyway. You can simply watch and see for yourself how KSA votes in so called separate "independent" membership to GCC in FATF.

No it does not. GCC is not only KSA but 5 other sovereign countries. KSA had no independent vote until 24 hours ago. That is the only relevant fact that is 100% certain.

Lastly given the facts that I wrote in terms of KSA-Pakistan relationship, would it make sense to you, if we presume in an imaginary world that KSA had an independent vote, for KSA to vote no while at the same time (same time period) bankrolling Pakistan and giving favorable economic loans in times of need? As well as continuing to host the largest Pakistani diaspora that the Pakistani state is heavily dependent on economically? No person with an IQ above 50 would consider that "logical".

Imran Khan has visited KSA more often than any other foreign country as well during his tenure and apparently he has very friendly and close ties with MbS after those many meetings.

Quite frankly this is of no importance for me as 1) I did not vote, 2) Neither did 30 million Saudi Arabians, 3) this is great news for KSA the country and our economy and Vision 2030 as written in my initial post.

 

[Pandora]

Great worlds largest terror financiers are now full members of FATF. Just to let all the day dreamers know Saudis are the ones who put us on grey list.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Great worlds largest terror financiers are now full members of FATF. Just to let all the day dreamers know Saudis are the ones who put us on grey list.

Great indeed. Look out, a Saudi Arabian exchange student in Australia might behead you in broad daylight despite millions of Saudi Arabians (since the 1960's) studying in the West and the only terrorist attack to date in the same West done by Saudi Arabians was 9/11 (apparently) and that too by Saudi Arabians of Yemeni tribal origin.

If KSA is a "terror financier" so is Pakistan, genius.

In the real world, KSA has been granted full membership of FATF so please continue the butthurt crying.

 

[Flight of falcon]

Great worlds largest terror financiers are now full members of FATF. Just to let all the day dreamers know Saudis are the ones who put us on grey list.

Absolutely not. Saudis have helped and are still Helping Pakistan despite us refusing to act in Yemen and joining against Iran. We owe a shit loan of thanks to Saudis all the way from nuclear tests to today.
Write this down Saudis will pull us out of Grey list and unlike Iranians will never back stab us. I am all for neutering Iranians once and for all.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Absolutely not. Saudis have helped and are still Helping Pakistan despite us refusing to act in Yemen and joining against Iran. We owe a shit loan of thanks to Saudis all the way from nuclear tests to today.
Write this down Saudis will pull us out of Grey list and unlike Iranians will never back stab us. I am all for neutering Iranians once and for all.

Ask that idiotic troll who helped Pakistan directly and indirectly when Pakistan was hit by much more severe sanctions than the Iranian Mullah's are hit by from the international community after the first nuclear test.

Anyway as I wrote PDF is not representative of Pakistan or Pakistanis at all which most Pakistani users here will openly admit and openly admit. The deep state of Pakistan knows what KSA has done and ironically people (Pakistanis) with direct interaction with Saudi Arabians in KSA or abroad (West) are mostly very positive and vice versa. Not withstanding the religious, cultural, historical, ancestral and geographic connection.

China is another important partner for Pakistan but you don't need to be Einstein to understand that the average Pakistani and average Chinese has 1 million less in common than the average Saudi Arabian and average Pakistani.

That troll claims that "KSA supports terror" but he knows very well that the same logic can be applied to Pakistan. Not that I take such accusations seriously. Supporting Muslims = terror. Taliban being the de facto rulers of Afghanistan = Supporting terrorism all while the Taliban being better than the Northern Alliance than the Iranian Mullah's supported and support, lol. Or maybe the commies/USSR should have been supported. Regardless of who you would or could support, everyone could point fingers. All this terrorism nonsense from mostly the West that has more blood on their hands than anyone else in the past 500 years by far. The irony.

 

[PDF]

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