Saudi Arabia has been granted full membership of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF)

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

OK so you know something above and beyond the diplomats and sources at the scene and all the media don't...can't really argue against that then.

Look in the end I see Saudi Arabia as just another country with its interests.

Its clear the Pak-KSA relationship has altered quite a lot since Pakistan did not commit to the Yemen war at the level KSA clearly wanted. You yourself can go and find and dig up all the threads....there was pretty nasty conversation from all sides as you can imagine. @MastanKhan

I don't see anyone "backstabbing" anyone here, its just looking out for your interests in the end (and hence US eventually convinced KSA/GCC...whatever interplay you want to argue there.... to vote against Pakistan in FATF).

Its very likely KSA/GCC would not have done that had Pakistan commited fully to Yemen conflict as KSA requested. I mean its costing Pakistan 10 billion dollars a year (their own minister estimate) w.r.t current FATF based sanctions (being on grey list).

I mean we can simply wait now and see later this year how the voting goes w.r.t Saudi arabia on this issue. No more "GCC" excuses now right...you are full independent member...so let us see.

But in mean time, you simply will find members and even mods have a perspective from evidence so far:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fatf...-it-thanks-to-3-nations.624054/#post-11560089

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saud...-action-task-force-fatf.624195/#post-11562487

So it probably not worth getting to heated over it or trying to convince everyone against what the media articles and whatever nuance you want to portray in the actual vote results so far.

@waz @New World

No, I know how to pick speculation (baseless) apart from facts. KSA had no independent vote less than 24 hours ago. GCC is not a member either as the GCC is not a country but a regional political/economic/military bloc. Nowadays divided due to the KSA-Qatari split since June of 2017. Moreover composed of 6 independent states. So this nonsense that some media (which is speculation and nothing else) is propagandizing of KSA having a vote is what it is. Utter nonsense. That combined with actual events on the ground as explained, makes it even more laughable.

Pakistan would not change anything on the ground in Yemen (nobody knows Yemen better than us, not even going to talk about logistics) and that was 4+ years ago and was mostly a question of symbolic support in the form of a select few soldiers experienced with mountainous warfare and serving in adversary role. Anything else is nonsense only found on PDF. Pakistan won't nor can send 100.000 land troops to Yemen with the intention to go "all out".

Yes, indeed, we will see now that KSA has actually become a full member. Which is the most important news and very positive news as well.

 

[Flight of falcon]

Ask that idiotic troll who helped Pakistan directly and indirectly when Pakistan was hit by much more severe sanctions than the Iranian Mullah's are hit by from the international community after the first nuclear test.

Anyway as I wrote PDF is not representative of Pakistan or Pakistanis at all which most Pakistani users here will openly admit and openly admit. The deep state of Pakistan knows what KSA has done and ironically people (Pakistanis) with direct interaction with Saudi Arabians in KSA or abroad (West) are mostly very positive and vice versa. Not withstanding the religious, cultural, historical, ancestral and geographic connection.

China is another important partner for Pakistan but you don't need to be Einstein to understand that the average Pakistani and average Chinese has 1 million less in common than the average Saudi Arabian and average Pakistani.

That troll claims that "KSA supports terror" but he knows very well that the same logic can be applied to Pakistan. Not that I take such accusations seriously. Supporting Muslims = terror. Taliban being the de facto rulers of Afghanistan = Supporting terrorism all while the Taliban being better than the Northern Alliance than the Iranian Mullah's supported and support, lol. Or maybe the commies/USSR should have been supported. Regardless of who you would or could support, everyone could point fingers. All this terrorism nonsense from mostly the West that has more blood on their hands than anyone

Seems that this was part of the deal. KSA voted against Pakistan for its own benefit. This backstabbing has caused economic, political, and legal harm to Pakistan's national interests. Shame on KSA.

Now the question is this, will KSA get two votes? One vote by itself and a second by GCC?

Those questioning Saudi friendship are living in fool’s paradise. Saudis have always bee

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Another reason why I prefer Iran and Turkey over the Gulf Arabs

Iran is not much better.

 

[BATMAN]

Crux of the cry posts is 'I'm jealous' otherwise for educated people, it's a simple process of financial compliance.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistan is on grey list because of the current Iranian puppet govt. of Pakistan

We are talking about KSA here, where does Iran come in here?

Did KSA withdraw support for Pakistan, yes or no? If so, why?

It forced China to reluctantly abstain.

It proved that out of all countries, Turkey was the most loyal to Pakistan.

Another reason why I prefer Iran and Turkey over the Gulf Arabs

If you say something against them, they will cut you up in their embassy like they did to Khashoggi.

 

[Flight of falcon]

Saudis have done tremendous job supporting Pakistan and it was Pakistan if anything that has failed to fully support Saudis in their hour of need. Had we joined Yemen campaign in the beginning and supported the war it would have finished long time ago and the rag tag Huti militia supported by Iranians would have been wiped out. Millions of lives at risk now would not have suffered so much.

As for Chine not supporting us, keep in mind it was a job of our foreign office to present and convince other governments. Guess who was sitting as our foreign minister .... a donkey name Nawaz. Do you think foreign government wanted to deal with this *** wipe ???? No . He had no credibility.

If anything I believe he wanted Pakistan to go on black list to hide his own money laundering.

It was in his personal interests to let Pakistan drown and stop world from seeing his own money laundering activities.

How is that the present government has found the way at least for now to prevent us getting into black list. What changed China and Malaysia to change their mind? Because we have started finally implementing national action plan which Nawaz never wanted to work.
Saudis are our ally and they will for sure support us.

As for disgusting Iranian regime it needs to go. Same regime that allows Indians to set up their bases and spy on us and attempt to fail Gawadar. Sooner they are removed the better the country will be.

 

[Yankee-stani]

We are talking about KSA here, where does Iran come in here?

Did KSA withdraw support for Pakistan, yes or no? If so, why?

It forced China to reluctantly abstain.

It proved that out of all countries, Turkey was the most loyal to Pakistan.



If you say something against them, they will cut you up in their embassy like they did to Khashoggi.

I guess roast like shawarma with white sauce eh even we have joined the Saudi misadventure in Yemen the country would still he burning ss we speak nothing changed to be fair Turkey,Iran and Saudi are all in fools paradise they burning the Mid East and causing mutual suicide for themselves anyways for Pakistan I am not saying to give a finger to Saudi but to maximize our interests when needed be nice to all

 

[BATMAN]

Did KSA withdraw support for Pakistan, yes or no? If so, why?

Does Pakistanis not smuggle $ to Iran /Iraq' Yes or No? and if Yes why?

Does current puppy cabinet of Pakistan not facilitate such smuggling of $ by appointing people of choice on such crossing and airports... why is Pakistan's customs officer Chaudhry Ejaz Mahmood was killed, who tried to stop one such attempt?
Ever since no one dare to question mafia tribe, hand carrying $ to Iraq and Iran.

 

[Pandora]

Great indeed. Look out, a Saudi Arabian exchange student in Australia might behead you in broad daylight despite millions of Saudi Arabians (since the 1960's) studying in the West and the only terrorist attack to date in the same West done by Saudi Arabians was 9/11 (apparently) and that too by Saudi Arabians of Yemeni tribal origin.

If KSA is a "terror financier" so is Pakistan, genius.

In the real world, KSA has been granted full membership of FATF so please continue the butthurt crying.

Yeah exactly founders of modern day terrorism get a place on terror financing watch dog. Pakistan is far from the being a saint but having saudis on FATF board making decisions against others is just ironic. Wahabi/Salafist ideology didn't just spread on its own you people financed that ideology for which entire muslim world is bearing consequences. We were a model state until our dumb leaders decided that having saudi financed madrassas is a brilliant idea. Untill this day saudis finance several radical islamists in pakistan so thanks for that as well. Hey at least your arse is fine all the way in saudi arabia who cares about what happens to all those bloody ajamis. BTW in real world you people bought the FATF membership after selling Pakistan out to Americans.

 

[Yankee-stani]

As for disgusting Iranian regime it needs to go. Same regime that allows Indians to set up their bases and spy on us and attempt to fail Gawadar. Sooner they are removed the better the country will be.[/QUOTE]

Yeah and cause millions of refugees to pour in on our borders and have a neo Zoroastrian govt hell bent on destroying us real great idea

Yeah exactly founders of modern day terrorism get a place on terror financing watch dog. Pakistan is far from the being a saint but having saudis on FATF board making decisions against others is just ironic. Wahabi/Salafist ideology didn't just spread on its own you people financed that ideology for which entire muslim world is bearing consequences. We were a model state until our dumb leaders decided that having saudi financed madrassas is a brilliant idea. Untill this day saudis finance several radical islamists in pakistan so thanks for that as well. Hey at least your arse is fine all the way in saudi arabia who cares about what happens to all those bloody ajamis. BTW in real world you people bought the FATF membership after selling Pakistan out to Americans.

Saudi be like hey Al Bakistan shut up take our money habibi dont dare build pipeline with ebil ajam Baki

 

[Flight of falcon]

Does Pakistanis not smuggle $ to Iran /Iraq' Yes or No? and if Yes why?

Does current puppy cabinet of Pakistan not facilitate such smuggling of $ by appointing people of choice on such crossing and airports.

Present regime smuggling dollars???? Are you sure you don’t mean previous regime .

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Yeah exactly founders of modern day terrorism get a place on terror financing watch dog. Pakistan is far from the being a saint but having saudis on FATF board making decisions against others is just ironic. Wahabi/Salafist ideology didn't just spread on its own you people financed that ideology for which entire muslim world is bearing consequences. We were a model state until our dumb leaders decided that having saudi financed madrassas is a brilliant idea. Untill this day saudis finance several radical islamists in pakistan so thanks for that as well. Hey at least your arse is fine all the way in saudi arabia who cares about what happens to all those bloody ajamis. BTW in real world you people bought the FATF membership after selling Pakistan out to Americans.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Saudis have done tremendous job supporting Pakistan and it was Pakistan if anything that has failed to fully support Saudis in their hour of need. Had we joined Yemen campaign in the beginning and supported the war it would have finished long time ago and the rag tag Huti militia supported by Iranians would have been wiped out. Millions of lives at risk now would not have suffered so much.

Did you forget Pakistani officers train their military and airforce, and even lead when needed? Pakistan has left no stone un-turned in supporting KSA politically. We would never backstab them at FATF.

Alhamdulilah, Pakistan did not get involved in the mess in Yemen which was solely KSA's creation. People of Yemen are cursing KSA, and esp UAE, for taking advantage of the humanitarian and political disaster in Yemen to advance their own interests.

Houthis are a part and parcel of Yemen, whether KSA and others like it or not. For years they lived in peace in Yemen and were part of the internal power dynamic.

They have as much right as anyone else to rule their sovereign lands and also to get better deals for their oil drilling.

Trigger-happy KSA is the main culprit in Yemen, whilst Syria is mainly Iran's fault. Neither is innocent.

 

[Flight of falcon]

Yeah exactly founders of modern day terrorism get a place on terror financing watch dog. Pakistan is far from the being a saint but having saudis on FATF board making decisions against others is just ironic. Wahabi/Salafist ideology didn't just spread on its own you people financed that ideology for which entire muslim world is bearing consequences. We were a model state until our dumb leaders decided that having saudi financed madrassas is a brilliant idea. Untill this day saudis finance several radical islamists in pakistan so thanks for that as well. Hey at least your arse is fine all the way in saudi arabia who cares about what happens to all those bloody ajamis. BTW in real world you people bought the FATF membership after selling Pakistan out to Americans.

Saudis are changing and new regime is not going bybthe old sins..... can you say the same about Iranian dinosaurs???

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Did you forget Pakistani officers train their military and airforce, and even lead when needed? Pakistan has left no stone un-turned in supporting KSA politically. We would never backstab them at FATF.

Alhamdulilah, Pakistan did not get involved in the mess in Yemen which was solely KSA's creation. People of Yemen are cursing KSA, and esp UAE, for taking advantage of the humanitarian and political disaster in Yemen to advance their own interests.

Houthis are a part and parcel of Yemen, whether KSA and others like it or not. For years they lived in peace in Yemen and were part of the internal power dynamic.

They have as much right as anyone else to rule their sovereign lands and also to get better deals for their oil drilling.

Trigger-happy KSA is the main culprit in Yemen, whilst Syria is mainly Iran's fault. Neither is innocent.

More nonsense from the first to the last word of that nonsense post from this Arab-obsessed drone. Please continue.

KSA's military and airforce predates the Pakistani state by decades. Pakistanis train with Saudi Arabians and Arabs as well. Including in Arab military academies. More nonsense about "imaginary" backstabbing all while KSA has kept you afloat for decades and supports you to this very day.

Houthis are a 25 year old terrorist cult. "Part and parcel" of Yemen. Great joke.

Yemenis are cursing nobody else but the Houthi terrorist cult that made an illegal and violent coup d'etát and the Iranian Mullah regime.