Saudi Arabia becomes latest buyer of Russian S-400 system

[cloud4000]

Saudis are buying it to deny Iran the S-400s

Possibly. Knowing the Russians, they’ll sell it to anyone with the money.

 

[cabatli_53]

Types of targets that the S-400 system can destroy: See bellow..the second image..

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Ankara: Turkey may cancel the purchase of the "S-400" in the event that Russia does not agree on the joint production of the system

https://www.reddit.com/r/path%3D%252Fr%252Fsyriancivilwar%252Fcomments%252F7587br%252F

https://arabic.rt.com/world/903376-أنقرة-تركيا-قد-تلغي-صفقة-شراء-s-400-في-حال-عدم-موافقة-روسيا-على-الإنتاج-المشترك-للمنظومة/

Russian spokeman Dmitry Peskov, Production technology of S-400 missiles to be transfered for Turkey is being discussed by countries' experts.

http://www.aksam.com.tr/dunya/kreml...tim-konusunda-prensipte-anlastik/haber-667681

Turkey is building own long altitude SAM system so signed a tech assistance agteement with EuroSAM over Aster-30 missiles as well. The ToT to be received via Russia for S-400 would be benefical to create one of the most effective national Long altitude SAM system thanks to Turkish/European and Russian combined missile tech input.

 

[The SC]

Russian spokeman Dmitry Peskov, Production technology of S-400 missiles to be transfered for Turkey is being discussed by countries' experts.

http://www.aksam.com.tr/dunya/kreml...tim-konusunda-prensipte-anlastik/haber-667681

Turkey is building own long altitude SAM system so signed a tech assistance agteement with EuroSAM over Aster-30 missiles as well. The ToT to be received via Russia for S-400 would be benefical to create one of the most effective national Long altitude SAM system thanks to Turkish/European and Russian combined missile tech input.

According to the news, the problem might reside in the manufacturing aspect of the deal, since Turkey wants 2 systems off the shelf as quickly as possible and wants to manufacture the other 2 systems in Turkey jointly with Russia.. discussions are still going on..

 

[Khafee]

Saudis are buying it to deny Iran the S-400s

Prima Facie, this is what it seems, but is not the case.

Without going into details, for obvious reasons, the S400 covers a gap, western systems don't provide.

 

[Gomig-21]

The Blackbird was not a fighter, it was a strategic reconnaissance plane..

And it wasn't stealthy either, at least by today's standards. It was picked up over the Sinai on October 13th, 1973 by Egyptian radars but never fired at because it was simply flying too fast at the time so they ignored it, and on it's way out it was picked up by Israeli radars also and they fired at it not knowing it was a US aircraft but never came close to hitting it.

Saudi PAC3 is deployed.

Seems like a raging debate in other forums because it's never been seen or photographed in Saudi so far, only the PAC-2 and they both are easily distinguishable. But if you say so, good enough for me!

 

[Zarvan]

Saudi Arabia to Start Licensed Manufacturing of AK-103 Rifles

According to Russian news agency TASS, as a result of the official visit of King Salman of Saudi Arabia to Russia, a memorandum was signed between Saudi Arabian Military Industries and Russian Rosoboronexport State Corporation. The memorandum is about the purchasing of Russian arms and arranging licensed manufacturing of AK-103 rifles and various types of ammunition in Saudi Arabia.

Besides the memorandum, the two parties have also signed a contract with the general terms of arranging the licensed manufacturing of the mentioned firearm. There is no information concerning what types of ammunition Saudi Arabia will start producing based on the signed documents.

AK-103

AK-103 is one of the 100-series AK rifles. It is similar to AK-74 in appearance, however, it is chambered in 7.62x39mm caliber. The AK-103 along with other variations of 100-series AK rifles have been exported to a number of countries. Its manufacturing has been earlier licensed to Venezuela. Reportedly, there are also ongoing negotiations to license the manufacturing to India, too.

Interesting to note that armed forces of Saudi Arabia already use the AK-103 rifles along with a huge diversity of other rifles in service. The licensing of the manufacturing is probably associated with the intention to increase the number of AK-103 rifles in the Saudi Arabian armed forces.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...a-start-licensed-manufacturing-ak-103-rifles/

 

[Hassan Guy]

Saudi Arabia has four basic ToT:

1 - The sustainability and durability of the system and this includes the manufacture of parts for the system + manufacturing the system's ammunition

2 - The technical knowledge of the maintenance of the system, with maintenance contracts allowing KSA to have the capabilities of radar maintenance, missile maintenance and computer system, etc...

3 - The ability to upgrade and develop the system in the future as well as its components like the radar, optical or missiles. Similar to the Patriot Pak 2 and Pak 3 development scheme to newer versions, because it wants the S-400 to serve for 20 or more years.

4 - The introduction of Saudi components like electronic and communication devices

The Russian would not oppose such demands, that is why they have approved them in the general outlines showing that they don't have a problem with these requirements in general terms. But asked to sit down now to discuss the minute details of What kind of maintenance do you want? What kind of spare parts? and what type of development?

Saudi Arabia wants 4-8 batteries of the S-400 system..It does not want a factory to produce the S-400 but wants a factory to produce spare parts and a factory for the ammunition for S-400 systems, maintenance facilities and maintenance capabilities, to attain the Saudi goal of system sustainability..

And just like that, Saudi has closed the gap in ADS system production.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

There are many stories to the downing of the F-117 in Serbia.. I suggest you find the Story told by the Serbian commander who downed it..

Yes him (You must read):

Zoltán Dani

Old link

I know these are the high tech US stealth fighters and bomber.. but Anti-stealth radar technologies have evolved tremendously also.. read about the L-band radars.. it will give you an idea..

I am fully aware of that.

It is the endless battle between the sword and the shield. But the S-400 can not detect the F-22 and B-2 - concerning the F-35, nobody knows yet -.

Perhaps the future S-500 will be able, perhaps within 15 years. So the USA will release their '2037 Bomber' - with another fighter -.

And it wasn't stealthy either, at least by today's standards.

Yes only by today's standards.

But that did not matter. He did perfectly his job without being threatened by anyone.


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[武成王]

Iran will def not be pleased, but Iran might also know that it will take Saudis years to master and use these these systems very well.And some missiles still get through. Houthis have used missiles successfully AND unsuccessfully against KSA. Its very expensive too! KSA's military has shown from the Yemen war that she can pack a punch(with help from many others as we all know)but can it get a win? Saudis will probably say they are more concerned about the sunnis in Syria(and Iraq), which is fair enough.but outsting Assad isnt realistically possible for them and they know that. Russia is in their "corner",just like China is, and just like India is trying to be also. These world powers gain in multiple ways from military sales "across the board"..so no regional power gets enough of an upper hand on any foe that they soon consider military action a good option against that party. This sale is also significant because its Russia solid entry into a NEW, good market. When will actual deliveries happen? I read Russia saying she will deliver the batteries "soon". Lol. Saudis might also need MORE and more expensive weapons, in order to compensate for other perceived/real insecurities/disadvantages. Does Saudis REALLY have ALL this money to spend on weapons? i heard about the MBS plan for new economy by 2030 or something, but where's the money for that? i heard some salaries were not being paid on time for some workers recently there. why slow money now for those workers? Even ARAMCO IPO launch is apparently delayed. Oil is being seen more bearishly in general.But IMO it will still be relevant for a while. What about ground forces and naval forces VS BM attack that needs THAAD? You;re so busy "protecting" your national skies but are you able and ready to stop a sneaky land invasion?


North Korea has developed nuclear weapons? Well dont you realize they also had to get parts and components for what they have now from China? China is an advanced country IMO as of today,so that nuclear tech they have or are giving NK is not that old IMO. How many coountries have actual mastery of running nuclear facilities? If its really only old technology how come only few countries have it then? why not "everyone"?

China didn't leak advanced nuclear technology to NK. NK employed lots of former SU nuclear scientist after 1991, and always sent their top physics students to Russia for academic training. What can China get to have a naughty nuclear power in our next door?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@The SC @Bubblegum Crisis

An interesting discussion to witness and we will have to see in theory if such an opportunity ever arrises.

What is unquestionable is the fact that the combination of existing systems (themselves very capable) and now THAAD and S-400 is a pretty damn impressive combination. This is the most important thing.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

@The SC @Bubblegum Crisis

An interesting discussion to witness and we will have to see in theory if such an opportunity ever arrises.

What is unquestionable is the fact that the combination of existing systems (themselves very capable) and now THAAD and S-400 is a pretty damn impressive combination. This is the most important thing.

Yes, this will calm many people - almost everyone - who would ‘try to play the adventurers’ - because it will cost very very very expensive - .

Our enemies of the Middle East and the West.



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[The SC]

Yes, this will calm many people - almost everyone - who would ‘try to play the adventurers’ - because it will cost very very very expensive - .

Our enemies of the Middle East and the West.



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$ 30 Billion for THAAD, the S-400, Sophisticated space Ballistic Missile detection satellites and modernization of the PAK-3 system.. Yes it is very expensive.. but protecting the Haramain is priceless..

 

[The SC]

Kremlin: Moscow and Riyadh soon sign the S-400 missile system deal

In response to a question from Interfax about the date of signing, Kojin said on Friday:
"As soon as possible, we are in the process of holding discussions and obtaining the necessary approvals."

https://ar.rt.com/jdn1

 

[925boy]

.. but protecting the Haramain is priceless..

youve said this b4 but honestly, what muslim country will or wants to attack the most important muslim sites in Saudi in the first place? makes no sense. Iran being muslim and educated would never rain rockets on important islamic places in Saudi Arabia. Besides, that would also help no military objective(if conflict has already broken out).

Honestly, i am calling this bluff. I believe IF Saudis get the S400 i bet its in nothing less than 3 or 4 years, when it willbe not so cutting edge. Egypt Turkey KSA all wanted/signed deals for S400s, and they all hold large amts of western military equipment. Yet none has gotten it yet, and i bet most of them will not get it on time IF they get it.

Kremlin: Moscow and Riyadh soon sign the S-400 missile system deal

In response to a question from Interfax about the date of signing, Kojin said on Friday:
"As soon as possible, we are in the process of holding discussions and obtaining the necessary approvals."

https://ar.rt.com/jdn1

yea yea...they'll talk, and discuss, and approve. when will actual working trucks and missiles arrive? US will prolly sell MORE THAAD b4 or newest PACs before those S400s arrive.

 

[The SC]

youve said this b4 but honestly, what muslim country will or wants to attack the most important muslim sites in Saudi in the first place? makes no sense. Iran being muslim and educated would never rain rockets on important islamic places in Saudi Arabia. Besides, that would also help no military objective(if conflict has already broken out).

Honestly, i am calling this bluff. I believe IF Saudis get the S400 i bet its in nothing less than 3 or 4 years, when it willbe not so cutting edge. Egypt Turkey KSA all wanted/signed deals for S400s, and they all hold large amts of western military equipment. Yet none has gotten it yet, and i bet most of them will not get it on time IF they get it.


yea yea...they'll talk, and discuss, and approve. when will actual working trucks and missiles arrive? US will prolly sell MORE THAAD b4 or newest PACs before those S400s arrive.

KSA is the Haramain land, not talking about Muslim countries here, apart from some Iranian statements about destroying KSA safe Al Haramain! There is Usrael too who has violated KSA's air space on some occasions before, but mainly because it has BM with "apparently" nuclear warheads. there are also other threats, the whole area is a hot spot..so better be proactive and prepare for the worst.. like the saying goes: " If you want peace, you should prepare for war"..

I think it will still be cutting edge.. what about 6 years waiting time for THAAD.. maybe less now that KSA bought the S-400.. That is just the way it goes internationally when you buy advanced sophisticated systems..