Saudi Arabia arrests and tortures scores of Palestinians

[Kailash Kumar]

Saudi Arabia arrests, tortures scores of Palestinians

June 12, 2019

Scores of Palestinians living in Saudi Arabia have been arrested and tortured over their participation in charitable activities, Twitter account Prisoners of Conscience revealed yesterday.

The group, which reports on political prisoners in Saudi Arabia, released a series of tweets including details of the detentions and the circumstances surrounding them.

According to the tweets, Saudi intelligence services committed rights abuses and tortured the Palestinian prisoners during and after their arrest, mainly those working with businessmen Osama and Hisham Filali, Mohamed Bin Mahfouth, Warees Bin Mahfouth and Saleh Abu Ghosh.

Saudi security forces stormed the houses of the Palestinians at night, locked women and children in one room and confiscated electronic devices before arresting them.

Some 150 people have been arrested on the grounds of their charitable work, including businessmen and 40 Palestinians in Jeddah alone.

The tweets noted that all of the prisoners are prevented from contacting their families. Some are entering their second year in detention. “Families of some prisoners do not know anything about them even during Ramadan and the Eid,” the group said.

During the past months, Saudi security services carried out a wide and secret arrest campaign against Palestinians in the kingdom. The Palestinian embassy in Riyadh has done to support those affected.

Saudi Arabia has arrested thousands of activists, intellectuals, clerics, journalists and businessmen over the past two years in an attempt to eliminate any possible opposition to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190612-saudi-arabia-arrests-tortures-scores-of-palestinians/

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Saudi Arabia arrests, tortures scores of Palestinians

June 12, 2019

Scores of Palestinians living in Saudi Arabia have been arrested and tortured over their participation in charitable activities, Twitter account Prisoners of Conscience revealed yesterday.

The group, which reports on political prisoners in Saudi Arabia, released a series of tweets including details of the detentions and the circumstances surrounding them.

According to the tweets, Saudi intelligence services committed rights abuses and tortured the Palestinian prisoners during and after their arrest, mainly those working with businessmen Osama and Hisham Filali, Mohamed Bin Mahfouth, Warees Bin Mahfouth and Saleh Abu Ghosh.

Saudi security forces stormed the houses of the Palestinians at night, locked women and children in one room and confiscated electronic devices before arresting them.

Some 150 people have been arrested on the grounds of their charitable work, including businessmen and 40 Palestinians in Jeddah alone.

The tweets noted that all of the prisoners are prevented from contacting their families. Some are entering their second year in detention. “Families of some prisoners do not know anything about them even during Ramadan and the Eid,” the group said.

During the past months, Saudi security services carried out a wide and secret arrest campaign against Palestinians in the kingdom. The Palestinian embassy in Riyadh has done to support those affected.

Saudi Arabia has arrested thousands of activists, intellectuals, clerics, journalists and businessmen over the past two years in an attempt to eliminate any possible opposition to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190612-saudi-arabia-arrests-tortures-scores-of-palestinians/

Why do you keep posting baseless and retarded propaganda (Middle East Monitor) and so many retarded threads about KSA?

Are you not a Ganga originally from Surinam?

Can the moderators do something about this troll and his propaganda threads and unhealthy obsession? There must be limits to the nonsense.

@Falcon29

 

[Kamil_baku]

OMG, how devil is Saudi Arabian government.. the worst part is, these "users" here defending them blindly.. it tells me everything about the country

 

[Kailash Kumar]

@Al Watan Al Arabi

Why do you keep posting baseless and retarded propaganda (Middle East Monitor) and so many retarded threads about KSA?

It is not propaganda. Middle East Monitor is owned and edited by Palestinians.
I assumed that they have credible sources who inform them about what is happening with Palestinians.

Are you not a Ganga originally from Surinam?

I am not.
I am a Surinamese Hindustani.

Can the moderators due something about this troll and his propaganda threads and unhealthy obsession? There must be limits to the nonsense.

I do not have an unhealthy obsession with Saudi Arabia.
See the screenshots of all my posts and threads from today below.
This is the first thread I started about Saudi Arabia out of the 9 threads I started today.

How is that an obsession?

Scroll down the first page of the 'Middle East and Africa section' of PDF.
(https://defence.pk/pdf/forums/middle-east-africa.155/)

You will find 6 threads I posted listed on this first page:

1 is about Moldova and Israel.
1 is about Iran, Japan and the United States.
1 is about Iran and Afghans.
1 is about Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, United States and Palestine.
1 is about the United Arab Emirates.

And the last one I posted is about Saudi Arabia.

Only 1 of the 6 threads I posted that are listed on the first page of the 'Middle East and Africa' section are about Saudi Arabia.

How is that an obsession?

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

@Al Watan Al Arabi



It is not propaganda. Middle East Monitor is owned and edited by Palestinians.
I assumed that they have credible sources who inform them about what is happening with Palestinians.



I am not.
I am a Surinamese Hindustani.



I do not have an unhealthy obsession with Saudi Arabia.
See the screenshots of all my posts and threads from today below.
This is the first thread I started about Saudi Arabia out of the 9 threads I started today.

How is that an obsession?

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Scroll down the first page of the 'Middle East and Africa section' of PDF.
(https://defence.pk/pdf/forums/middle-east-africa.155/)

You will find 6 threads I posted listed on this first page:

1 is about Moldova and Israel.
1 is about Iran, Japan and the United States.
1 is about Iran and Afghans.
1 is about Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, United States and Palestine.
1 is about the United Arab Emirates.

And the last one I posted is about Saudi Arabia.

Only 1 of the 6 threads I posted that are listed on the first page of the 'Middle East and Africa' section are about Saudi Arabia.

How is that an obsession?

It is not owned by Palestinians but the Iranian Mullah regime.

They do not. There are almost 500.000 Palestinians living in KSA.

Same thing.

You have posted many nonsense threads about KSA. Everyone can write "Saudi Arabia" and your username and see the nature of those threads. A clear pattern is developing.

https://defence.pk/pdf/search/17313398/?q=Saudi+Arabia&o=date&c[node]=155&c[user][0]=191806

 

[Dexon]

nobody should be surprised.just look how these creatures defend israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-cl...nisters-seen-defending-israel-attacking-iran/

 

[Kailash Kumar]

@Al Watan Al Arabi

It is not owned by Palestinians but the Iranian Mullah regime.

Proof it.

They do not. There are almost 500.000 Palestinians living in KSA.

If there are so many Palestinians living in Saudi Arabia, does that not also mean that the journalists of Middle East Monitor have access to a large population where they can get there information from?
And this would then make their reporting more credible, would it not?

Same thing.

No it is not.

And I can give you a relevant example.

Indians here are of course pro-India.
India has certain alliances with other countries around the world, for example, Israel.
A number of Indians on PDF are therefore pro-Israel and that reflects in their posts.
Makes sense, does it not?

I, as a Surinamese Hindustani, do not care about geopolitical alliances, whether they are an alliance which Surinam, The Netherlands or any other country has with other countries. I do not care. I do what I want.

I myself am not pro-Israel and I do not need to be. But I am little bit anti-Israel.
And you can see that from the threads I post about Israel.

Many of them are neutral.
For example: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/isde...and-security-exhibition.622304/#post-11527909.

But some are about the bad things Israel does or Israelis do or say.
For example: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/yes-...urging-to-enslave-arabs.616940/#post-11429356.

This example shows that I, as a Surinamese Hindustani, am not the same as an Indian.
We do not have the same agenda on PDF.

Indians here care for their country.

I care for my amusement.

So, what I am also trying to say is, that my 'posting policy' on this forum is independent from anyone, any country and any alliance.

I do what I want.

You have posted many nonsense threads about KSA. Everyone can write "Saudi Arabia" and your username and see the nature of those threads. A clear pattern is developing.

https://defence.pk/pdf/search/17313398/?q=Saudi+Arabia&o=date&c[node]=155&c[user][0]=191806

I also posted a lot of positive or at least neutral threads about Saudi Arabia:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/worl...plant-to-be-developed-in-saudi-arabia.617107/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudi-arabia-and-uae-to-give-sudan-3-billion.614960/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saud...and-petrochemical-units.614247/#post-11379576

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudi-arabia-gives-iraq-1-billion-grant.611725/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saud...le-company-in-the-world.611304/#post-11331609

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/u-s-approves-secret-nuclear-power-work-for-saudi-arabia.610507/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/u-s-...own-air-marshal-program.610482/#post-11318385

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/gulf...h-92-billion-since-2011.608855/#post-11292573

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iraq...pen-border-crossing-closed-since-1990.607962/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saud...t-of-local-content-push.588647/#post-10969144

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/umrah-visa-issue-nears-1-million-mark.586402/#post-10934042

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/major-security-expo-opens-in-riyadh.585233/#post-10916044

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...nemas-in-remote-areas-of-saudi-arabia.584187/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudi-arabia-to-invest-in-russian-chinese-wealth-fund.583472/

But you only want to see the negative, do you not?

And, by the way, why are you suddenly so active?

You are a member since Aug 2, 2016.
But when I looked at your recent activity on your profile page, it only goes back to last Friday.
After almost three years, you decided to become active again on PDF?

Could you elaborate on that?

 

[Falcon29]

Why do you keep posting baseless and retarded propaganda (Middle East Monitor) and so many retarded threads about KSA?

Are you not a Ganga originally from Surinam?

Can the moderators do something about this troll and his propaganda threads and unhealthy obsession? There must be limits to the nonsense.

@Falcon29

All I have heard is some people were prevented from wiring money to Gaza but can't verify that. This report is likely false and MME is I believe Qatari funded and not Iranian, could be wrong though.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Proof it.



If there are so many Palestinians living in Saudi Arabia, does that not also mean that the journalists of Middle East Monitor have access to a large population where they can get there information from?
And this would then make their reporting more credible, would it not?



No it is not.

And I can give you a relevant example.

Indians here are of course pro-India.
India has certain alliances with other countries around the world, for example, Israel.
A number of Indians on PDF are therefore pro-Israel and that reflects in their posts.
Makes sense, does it not?

I, as a Surinamese Hindustani, do not care about geopolitical alliances, whether they are an alliance which Surinam, The Netherlands or any other country has with other countries. I do not care. I do what I want.

I myself am not pro-Israel and I do not need to be. But I am little bit anti-Israel.
And you can see that from the threads I post about Israel.

Many of them are neutral.
For example: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/isde...and-security-exhibition.622304/#post-11527909.

But some are about the bad things Israel does or Israelis do or say.
For example: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/yes-...urging-to-enslave-arabs.616940/#post-11429356.

This example shows that I, as a Surinamese Hindustani, am not the same as an Indian.
We do not have the same agenda on PDF.

Indians here care for their country.

I care for my amusement.

So, what I am also trying to say is, that my 'posting policy' on this forum is independent from anyone, any country and any alliance.

I do what I want.



I also posted a lot of positive or at least neutral threads about Saudi Arabia:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/worl...plant-to-be-developed-in-saudi-arabia.617107/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudi-arabia-and-uae-to-give-sudan-3-billion.614960/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saud...and-petrochemical-units.614247/#post-11379576

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudi-arabia-gives-iraq-1-billion-grant.611725/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saud...le-company-in-the-world.611304/#post-11331609

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/u-s-approves-secret-nuclear-power-work-for-saudi-arabia.610507/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/u-s-...own-air-marshal-program.610482/#post-11318385

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/gulf...h-92-billion-since-2011.608855/#post-11292573

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iraq...pen-border-crossing-closed-since-1990.607962/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saud...t-of-local-content-push.588647/#post-10969144

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/umrah-visa-issue-nears-1-million-mark.586402/#post-10934042

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/major-security-expo-opens-in-riyadh.585233/#post-10916044

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...nemas-in-remote-areas-of-saudi-arabia.584187/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudi-arabia-to-invest-in-russian-chinese-wealth-fund.583472/

But you only want to see the negative, do you not?

And, by the way, why are you suddenly so active?

You are a member since Aug 2, 2016.
But when I looked at you recent activity on your profile page, it only goes back to last Friday.
After almost three years, you decided to become active again on PDF?

Could you elaborate on that?

Prove that they are owned by Palestinians. What Palestinians? The Palestinian government in the West Bank? Hamas in Gaza? PLO? What Palestinians?

Middle East Monitor is only posting propaganda/negative articles about KSA. I challenge you to find 1 positive article about KSA from Middle East Monitor. Why would any sane Palestinian owned media write only negative/propaganda news aimed at KSA? Since long before MbS emerged.

There are no Middle East Monitor "journalists" inside KSA.

I said the same thing in you both being of Indian origin.

A few threads does not change much or the wider picture.

Explained here:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/sign...a-missile-and-a-bomb-for-a-bomb.622630/page-6

But I take your word for not having an agenda here but the last few threads of yours about KSA have been utter propaganda from either Iranian Mullah regime "news" or Middle East Monitor. How about not using clearly biased sources?

 

[Kailash Kumar]

@Al Watan Al Arabi

Prove that they are owned by Palestinians. What Palestinians? The Palestinian government in the West Bank? Hamas in Gaza? PLO? What Palestinians?

Palestinian businessmen (or women) who either live in Palestine or somewhere else.

But I asked you to prove it first that they are owned by the Iranians.

Middle East Monitor is only posting propaganda/negative articles about KSA. I challenge you to find 1 positive article about KSA from Middle East Monitor. Why would any sane Palestinian owned media write only negative/propaganda news aimed at KSA? Since long before MbS emerged.

One.

From today, 12 June 2019.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190612-3-minute-saudi-visa-for-tourists/

There are no Middle East Monitor "journalists" inside KSA.

But they can have sources there with who they communicate by phone or e-mail.

I said the same thing in you both being of Indian origin.

Ok. Fair enough.

A few threads does not change much or the wider picture.

Explained here:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/sign...a-missile-and-a-bomb-for-a-bomb.622630/page-6

Huh? What does that have to do with me?

But I take your word for not having an agenda here but the last few threads of yours about KSA have been utter propaganda from either Iranian Mullah regime "news" or Middle East Monitor. How about not using clearly biased sources?

Well, I have posted threads about Saudi Arabia from other sources.

What do you think are not biased sources?

Only Saudi Arabian news sites?

Some of the threads I posted in the past (about Saudi Arabia or other countries) have been deleted or were closed by moderators.
They told me that the reason for deletion or closure was that the source of my thread was not credible.

I have since stopped posting from those news sites.

But, as long as it is allowed, I can post from other sites such as Middle East Monitor.

You could however try to convince the moderators or the staff of PDF to come up with a list (if that does not exist already) of news and media sites which are deemed to be not credible.

This would make it easier for members to know from from which sites they can post content from and from which they cannot.

And maybe you could also convince them to put Middle East Monitor on that list.

But than you would have to make a strong case for banning Middle East Monitor from PDF.

And that gives me an idea.

Maybe PDF needs to have a 'Source Tribunal'.

In this tribunal, every member can make their case against certain sources, as in news and media sites, which are seen by them as not credible and therefore should not be used.

Since I do not care, you can make this suggestion in the 'Suggestions & Discussions' section.

Good luck.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

@Al Watan Al Arabi



Palestinian businessmen (or women) who either live in Palestine or somewhere else.

But I asked you to prove it first that they are owned by the Iranians.



One.

From today, 12 June 2019.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190612-3-minute-saudi-visa-for-tourists/



But they can have sources there with who they communicate by phone or e-mail.



Ok. Fair enough.



Huh? What does that have to do with me?



Well, I have posted threads about Saudi Arabia from other sources.

What do you think are not biased sources?

Only Saudi Arabian news sites?

Some of the threads I posted in the past (about Saudi Arabia or other countries) have been deleted or were closed by moderators.
They told me that the reason for deletion or closure was that the source of my thread was not credible.

I have since stopped posting from those news sites.

But, as long as it is allowed, I can post from other sites such as Middle East Monitor.

You could however try to convince the moderators or the staff of PDF to come up with a list (if that does not exist already) of news and media sites which are deemed to be not credible.

This would make it easier for members to know from from which sites they can post content from and from which they cannot.

And maybe you could also convince them to put Middle East Monitor on that list.

But than you would have to make a strong case for banning Middle East Monitor from PDF.

And that gives me an idea.

Maybe PDF needs to have a 'Source Tribunal'.

In this tribunal, every member can make their case against certain sources, as in news and media sites, which are seen by them as not credible and therefore should not be used.

Since I do not care, you can make this suggestion in the 'Suggestions & Discussions' section.

Good luck.

You are right and I can now see that you are not a troll or a user with an agenda. Forget my previous posts.

Middle East Monitor is based in London (apparently) and receives funding from Qatar and MB. Most likely Iran too since they are currently aligned with Qatar. I don't recall that media having so much anti-KSA nonsense pre-2017 so that explains it. In any case your idea is great and should be implemented.

 

[The SC]

"Some 150 people have been arrested on the grounds of their charitable work, including businessmen and 40 Palestinians in Jeddah alone."

"Saudi Arabia has arrested thousands of activists, intellectuals, clerics, journalists and businessmen over the past two years in an attempt to eliminate any possible opposition to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman."

Any evidence of these thousands..?