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Saudi Arabia and Russia plan deep oil cuts in defiance of US

They took out Shah Faisal for going against them, I'd say KSA has to be on Alert cause who ever piss off America suddenly Democracy lovers show up, Al-Qaeda show up, Human right violation reports start showing up etc. For them its always be our slaves and do what you told and we will keep looking the other way, dare go against us and we will make sure that we ruin your country, Its high time Iran and KSA settle their difference and work together, not against anyone but for the betterment of their own people.

KSA is different. See post 6 in this thread. They can't play those games with KSA effectively. Not to mention that KSA is home to Makkah and Madinah.

The only obstacle, I would claim, for KSA and Iran to become cordial neighbours once again, are the Iranian Mullah's. In any case, I don't think that those Mullah's have much time left in Iran anyway. They are self-imploding with wide-scale protests across all of Iran despite information crackdown. Once the Mullah' stop meddling in internal Arab affairs and stop their support for terrorism in the region, there is no reason for there not to be a strong partnership that could alter the region for good in the future.
 
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Do Saudis Arabian ready or face us sanction which damages most of Saudi weapons systems bought from USA for spare parts and maintanance this is a big gamble for them but one day they have to take it hopefully they will stand tall against USA hypocracy and blackmailing and dictation if they do USA super power days are numbered
 
Do Saudis Arabian ready or face us sanction which damages most of Saudi weapons systems bought from USA for spare parts and maintanance this is a big gamble for them but one day they have to take it hopefully they will stand tall against USA hypocracy and blackmailing and dictation if they do USA super power days are numbered

First of all the US is not going to shot themselves in the foot. Secondly KSA is developing an ambitious and booming domestic military industry while we speak that has achieved a lot of significant progress on numerous fronts (domestic ballistic missile program, drones, turbojet, turbofan, turboprop etc.) with all those strategic projects not involving the West within a relatively short time.

Anyway KSA has close ties with all relevant Western partners. Not just the US. Germany recently lifted their ban on weapons sale to KSA (was a bunch of nonsense to begin with) after the visit of Olaf Scholz to KSA.

If you notice, KSA is one of the few countries in the world of importance, that have cordial ties with both the West and East and everyone else (greatest clout in the Muslim world as it is already).

In fact I can only think of the Mullah's in Iran, that KSA has bad relationship with, and their allies (terrorist groups mostly). Just think about that for a while.
 
KSA is different. See post 6 in this thread. They can't play those games with KSA effectively. Not to mention that KSA is home to Makkah and Madinah.

The only obstacle, I would claim, for KSA and Iran to become cordial neighbours once again, are the Iranian Mullah's. In any case, I don't think that those Mullah's have much time left in Iran anyway. They are self-imploding with wide-scale protests across all of Iran despite information crackdown. Once the Mullah' stop meddling in internal Arab affairs and stop their support for terrorism in the region, there is no reason for there not to be a strong partnership that could alter the region for good in the future.
Iranian Mullah although part of problem but not fully, Iranian shia's have been radicalized to insult Sahabah and wives of Prophet, that is main reason why they can't see eye to eye with Sunni world, that won't go away with Mullah, Plus i don't think that Mullah's in Iran are going anywhere. But internal differences can be fixed, just like the Sahabah did in the times of Civil war, but I think even if there was a chance of peace between the Shia/Sunni's the west will play a role to reignite the difference, cause the fight between the two suites the western divide and rule policy.
 
Iranian Mullah although part of problem but not fully, Iranian shia's have been radicalized to insult Sahabah and wives of Prophet, that is main reason why they can't see eye to eye with Sunni world, that won't go away with Mullah, Plus i don't think that Mullah's in Iran are going anywhere. But internal differences can be fixed, just like the Sahabah did in the times of Civil war, but I think even if there was a chance of peace between the Shia/Sunni's the west will play a role to reignite the difference, cause the fight between the two suites the western divide and rule policy.

Let me give you an example of the obsession. Most of the world's 1.5 billion Sunnis don't really care about Iran and although most of us are not fans of the Iranian Mullah's (due to their policies outside of Iran such as in Syria and elsewhere - I personally don't care what they do inside Iran), the pro-Iranian Shias on the other hand, are almost all obsessed about KSA/imaginary Wahhabis/Sunnis etc. It is like a cult with the Iranian Mullah's being the head of the snake. We see in on PDF as well. Once you cut the head off (remove the Mullah's), this nonsense will end by large.
 
Let me give you an example of the obsession. Most of the world's 1.5 billion Sunnis don't really care about Iran and although most of us are not fans of the Iranian Mullah's (due to their policies outside of Iran such as in Syria and elsewhere - I personally don't care what they do inside Iran), the pro-Iranian Shias on the other hand, are almost all obsessed about KSA/imaginary Wahhabis/Sunnis etc. It is like a cult with the Iranian Mullah's being the head of the snake. We see in on PDF as well. Once you cut the head off (remove the Mullah's), this nonsense will end by large.
I doubt it, because I know Shia in Pakistan and West, and if you hear them talk about Sahabah and wives of Prophets its just crazy, most of them can't even recite basic Quranic verses which is embarrassing. But its high time that Iran and KSA set aside their difference and make peace, which I know is a dream but still there is hope.
 
I doubt it, because I know Shia in Pakistan and West, and if you hear them talk about Sahabah and wives of Prophets its just crazy, most of them can't even recite basic Quranic verses which is embarrassing. But its high time that Iran and KSA set aside their difference and make peace, which I know is a dream but still there is hope.

What I am trying to say here is that the obsession is mostly a one-way street.
In other words the obsession is mostly a Shia phenomenon and is due to them being a tiny minority overall and throughout Islamic history, that is always in opposition to the general Islamic discourses and view of Islamic history. Add a regime (Iranian regime) that hides under Islam and uses it to revive Persian imperialism in the region, and you get a toxic mixture which events since 1979 in the region and within Iran, have given ample evidence of.

As far as your regular Sunni and Shia, as long as both are educated, there are far, far, far more commonalities than differences and I personally don't see any reasons for any hostility.
 
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Let me give you an example of the obsession. Most of the world's 1.5 billion Sunnis don't really care about Iran and although most of us are not fans of the Iranian Mullah's (due to their policies outside of Iran such as in Syria and elsewhere - I personally don't care what they do inside Iran), the pro-Iranian Shias on the other hand, are almost all obsessed about KSA/imaginary Wahhabis/Sunnis etc. It is like a cult with the Iranian Mullah's being the head of the snake. We see in on PDF as well. Once you cut the head off (remove the Mullah's), this nonsense will end by large.
Their policies are not good even internally because of hijab

ALLAH KAREEM gave this decision clearly to the husband and father's of the house to make your ladies wear hijab by making them understand them importance but not been said to enforce them by beating forcefully

They are doing worse if woman not wearing hijab na muhram police guy touching woman and putting them in police cars is far bigger sin these raisins doing today they are enemies of islam
 
As far as your regular Sunni and Shia, as long as both are educated, there are far, far, far more commonalities than differences and I personally don't see any reasons for any hostility.
I actually think the opposite, but lets agree to disagree.
 
looks like US will cut military support to SA. All Saudi has to do is to announce a big weapon purchase from China and watch the US crawling back to SA.
 

Saudi Arabia and Russia plan deep oil cuts in defiance of US​


Riyadh and Moscow seek reductions that would push prices higher at crucial Opec+ meeting

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Opec headquarters in Vienna Opec members’ ministers and the cartel’s partners are rushing to Vienna for what analysts have billed as its most important gathering in years © Lisa Leutner/AP

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Saudi Arabia is seeking to raise oil prices at a crucial meeting in Vienna, in a move set to anger the US and aid Russia.

Riyadh, Moscow and other producers are poised to announce deep cuts at a meeting of the Opec+ cartel on Wednesday, according to people with knowledge of the discussions.

The size of the cut is still to be agreed but Saudi Arabia and Russia are pushing for reductions of 1mn-2mn barrels a day or more, although these could be phased in over several months. The reductions would probably trigger US countermeasures, analysts said.

“This is not the Saudi Arabia of old and the US has maybe been a little slow or unwilling to acknowledge that in energy matters,” said Raad Alkadiri, an analyst at Eurasia Group.

“If they want a higher oil price, they’ve clearly indicated they’re going to pursue that, even if it results in a tit-for-tat response from the US.”

Wednesday’s meeting of Opec members plus other producers was hastily convened at the cartel’s headquarters in Vienna, with ministers rushing to the Austrian capital for what analysts have billed as the most important gathering in years.

Russia’s top energy official, Alexander Novak, is expected to attend and is understood to support a substantial production cut, with Russia’s oil already trading at a large discount as European buyers have turned away.

A person familiar with the discussions said the cuts would be made from existing production, not quota levels that some Opec+ member countries have been unable to fulfil after years of mismanagement and under-investment.

Such a cut is likely to have a big impact on prices, which fell over the summer in a fillip to the electoral chances of President Joe Biden’s Democrats in US midterm elections next month.

Prices remain high by historical standards and, with the likelihood of a large production cut becoming clear, Brent crude, the international benchmark, rose to $91.50 a barrel on Wednesday — up 8 per cent since last week.

Tensions between Saudi Arabia, the world’s largest crude oil exporter, and the US, the world’s largest consumer, come as analysts warn of a deepening global energy war triggered by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Riyadh and Moscow have stepped up pursuit of production cuts to halt the slide in oil prices, which have fallen from about $120 a barrel in early June, a drop that has hit Russian state revenues.

The US wants to restrict Russia’s oil revenues to starve its military of funding, making Saudi Arabia’s co-operation with Moscow a source of tension between Riyadh and the White House.

Helima Croft, a former CIA analyst and head of commodities research at RBC Capital Markets, said Russia was likely to turn its attention to disrupting oil markets, having already cut most of its gas supplies to Europe.

“We think more asymmetric, disruptive acts are coming as we head into winter,” she said.

The risk of further US-Saudi strains comes more than two months after Biden travelled to Jeddah to meet Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and said the kingdom would “take additional steps” to increase oil supplies.

The White House’s efforts to lower US petrol prices included months of shuttle diplomacy with Gulf oil producers, calls for US shale producers to increase supply and releases of oil from emergency stockpiles.

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Just last week, Brett McGurk and Amos Hochstein, two senior Biden administration officials, visited Saudi Arabia in the latest of a series of bilateral meetings.

In August, US energy secretary Jennifer Granholm told refiners to build domestic inventories rather than exporting more fuel. She warned that the US government was otherwise prepared to “consider additional federal requirements or other emergency measures”.

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The Biden administration has been weighing restrictions on exports of refined petroleum products — and has discussed the possibility with oil companies — according to people familiar with the discussions. A significant Opec+ supply cut would increase the likelihood of such a move, the people said.

The US oil industry’s main lobby groups on Tuesday urged Granholm to “disavow” any potential restrictions, warning they would further drive up prices in the US and internationally.

During a briefing with reporters, White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said the administration would not comment on any Opec+ moves in advance.

She added that the US would focus “on taking every step to ensure markets are sufficiently supplied to meet demand for a growing global economy”. Jean-Pierre said the US was not considering new releases from the country’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve after selling off tens of millions of barrels from the stockpile this year in a bid to reduce energy prices.

But the US and other G7 countries plan to try to impose a price cap on Russian oil sales this year, a move that could lead to lower supplies from the country alongside a tightening of European sanctions against Moscow in December.

“Opec+ producers worry that the price cap planned only for Russia now could later become a precedent for wider use against other producers,” said Bob McNally, head of Rapidan Energy Group and a former adviser to the George W Bush White House.

Amin Nasser, the chief executive of state oil company Saudi Aramco, warned on Tuesday that the market was too focused on the demand impact of a possible recession rather than the limitations of current supply.

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Who is getting shafted by increase in oil prices ? China and Pakistan are oil importers

looks like US will cut military support to SA. All Saudi has to do is to announce a big weapon purchase from China and watch the US crawling back to SA.
You make it China likes the rise in oil prices
 
Who is getting shafted by increase in oil prices ? China and Pakistan are oil importers


You make it China likes the rise in oil prices
perhaps usa would choke before china did?
 
The Saudi Foreign Ministry statement is very shocking and no less than the announcement of production cuts, as it clearly referred to the official US request to postpone the decision for a month - until after the elections - which is an official request from the Biden administration for foreign intervention to influence the elections.
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