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This is a big news and has strategic implications for Pakistan. From today's NY Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-iran-talks.html

Saudi Arabia and Iran Make Quiet Openings to Head Off War

After years of growing hostility and competition for influence, Saudi Arabia and Iran have taken steps toward indirect talks to try to reduce the tensions that have brought the Middle East to the brink of war, according to officials from several countries involved in the efforts.

Even the prospect of such talks represents a remarkable turnaround, coming only a few weeks after a coordinated attack on Saudi oil installations led to bellicose threats in the Persian Gulf. Any reconciliation between Saudi Arabia and Iran could have far-reaching consequences for conflicts across the region.

It was President Trump’s refusal to retaliate against Iran for the Sept. 14 attack, analysts say, that set off unintended consequences, prompting Saudi Arabia to seek its own solution to the conflict. That solution, in turn, could subvert Mr. Trump’s effort to build an Arab alliance to isolate Iran.

In recent weeks, officials of Iraq and Pakistan said, the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, asked the leaders of those two countries to speak with their Iranian counterparts about de-escalation.

Iran welcomed the gestures, stating privately and publicly that it was open to talks with Saudi Arabia.

In a statement to The New York Times on Friday, the Saudi government acknowledged that Iraq and Pakistan had offered to mediate talks between the two countries but denied that Prince Mohammed had taken the initiative.

“Efforts at de-escalation must emanate from the party that began the escalation and launched attacks, not the kingdom,” the statement said.

Distrust between the two Middle Eastern powers remains intense, and the prospect of high-level direct talks any time soon appears remote. But even a slight warming could echo far outside their respective borders, where their rivalry fuels political divides from Lebanon to Yemen.

Iran has long wanted to wrest the Saudis from their alliance with Iran’s archenemies, Israel and the United States, which are waging a “maximum pressure” campaign against Iran to try to force it to restrict its nuclear program and stop backing militias in the region.

Iran’s receptiveness for contact with the Saudis contrasts with its chilly tone toward the United States. Last week, Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, dodged an opportunity to speak directly with Mr. Trump while both were attending the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

The new overtures between Saudi Arabia and Iran began in the aftermath of last month’s drone and cruise missile strikes on two Saudi oil facilities, which Saudi Arabia and the United States accused Iran of orchestrating.

Despite tough threats by the Trump administration, the president declined to order a military response. The demurral raised questions for the Saudis about the American commitment to Saudi security, which has underpinned the strategic layout of the Persian Gulf for decades.

Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan met with Prince Mohammed, the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, in Jeddah last month. Days later, while Mr. Khan was at the General Assembly, he told reporters that Prince Mohammed had asked him to talk to Iran.

Prince Mohammed told Mr. Khan, “I want to avoid war,” according to a senior Pakistani official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters. “He asked the prime minister to get involved.”

Mr. Khan then spoke with Mr. Rouhani on the sidelines of the General Assembly.


The Iraqi prime minister, Adel Abdul Mahdi, visited Saudi Arabia a few days after Mr. Khan did.

Iran’s receptiveness for contact with the Saudis contrasts with its chilly tone toward the United States. Last week, Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, dodged an opportunity to speak directly with Mr. Trump while both were attending the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

The new overtures between Saudi Arabia and Iran began in the aftermath of last month’s drone and cruise missile strikes on two Saudi oil facilities, which Saudi Arabia and the United States accused Iran of orchestrating.

Despite tough threats by the Trump administration, the president declined to order a military response. The demurral raised questions for the Saudis about the American commitment to Saudi security, which has underpinned the strategic layout of the Persian Gulf for decades.

Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan met with Prince Mohammed, the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, in Jeddah last month. Days later, while Mr. Khan was at the General Assembly, he told reporters that Prince Mohammed had asked him to talk to Iran.

Prince Mohammed told Mr. Khan, “I want to avoid war,” according to a senior Pakistani official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters. “He asked the prime minister to get involved.”

Mr. Khan then spoke with Mr. Rouhani on the sidelines of the General Assembly.

The Iraqi prime minister, Adel Abdul Mahdi, visited Saudi Arabia a few days after Mr. Khan did.
 
world accepting the fact that the new emerging of Pakistan in the world map as peace preacher. This is what Allah assigns this great responsibility to Pakistan and under IK leadership we're delivering this peace message to the world and playing our role in peacekeeping in the region. I think Trump and IK should be nominated for Noble prize for their efforts in peace in region.
 
world accepting the fact that the new emerging of Pakistan in the world map as peace preacher. This is what Allah assigns this great responsibility to Pakistan and under IK leadership we're delivering this peace message to the world and playing our role in peacekeeping in the region. I think Trump and IK should be nominated for Noble prize for their efforts in peace in region.

By firing Bolton--a known Iran hater and a hawk--Trump is sending clear signals about his intentions to not inflame the Middle East any further. As we Pakistanis know, we are in a tough spot in case of a ME war.
 
There are few aspects of the current geopolitical movements, which need to be understood by Pakistanis.

1- Pakistan is emerging as regional power, which it should be. It should also be ready to play its role in the international arena.

2- Pakistan's point of view now prevailing even with the Americans, is a pole shift in political sense.

3- Indian's true face is now evident to the world, it would become more and more difficult for the Indians to sell their "Hajimula" to the world that "Pakistan is terrorists" state. Instead world is understanding that it is in fact India which is a terrorists state. The recent findings by the CIA of all people is a clear indications of turning tides.

4- It also proving that how much damaged caused to Pakistan by Nawaz Butt for keeping quiet in the most against India but also taking Indian's side on issues of national security. Nawaz and his party leaders should be charged for treason.
 
2- Pakistan's point of view now prevailing even with the Americans, is a pole shift in political sense.

3- Indian's true face is now evident to the world, it would become more and more difficult for the Indians to sell their "Hajimula" to the world that "Pakistan is terrorists" state. Instead world is understanding that it is in fact India which is a terrorists state. The recent findings by the CIA of all people is a clear indications of turning tides.

Not sure about #2 and 3. But things have definitely changed for the better in international arena for Pakistan.
What CIA findings?
Thanks
 
Not sure about #2 and 3. But things have definitely changed for the better in international arena for Pakistan.
What CIA findings?
Thanks
They declared some Indian organizations hindu extremists and terrorists.
 
There are few aspects of the current geopolitical movements, which need to be understood by Pakistanis.

1- Pakistan is emerging as regional power, which it should be. It should also be ready to play its role in the international arena.

2- Pakistan's point of view now prevailing even with the Americans, is a pole shift in political sense.

3- Indian's true face is now evident to the world, it would become more and more difficult for the Indians to sell their "Hajimula" to the world that "Pakistan is terrorists" state. Instead world is understanding that it is in fact India which is a terrorists state. The recent findings by the CIA of all people is a clear indications of turning tides.

4- It also proving that how much damaged caused to Pakistan by Nawaz Butt for keeping quiet in the most against India but also taking Indian's side on issues of national security. Nawaz and his party leaders should be charged for treason.

Pakistan can be a leader of muslim world and a global power but that would require real hard work, sincerity and competency. Our economic condition unfortunately is what is keeping Pakistan back.
 
PMIK should invite both Salman and Khaminie to his office in Islamabad, take them to Murree in cold climate to cool the temperatures down, lock the door and three of them have brain storming session in how to get out of the current situation.

IK should knock sense into them that vultures from outside are waiting for you two to fight it out and they will make their move on both of you once you both have ravaged each other.

And there is a small matter of Zionist belief that their moshiach will come when war in gulf region will start.
 
This is a big news and has strategic implications for Pakistan. From today's NY Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-iran-talks.html

Saudi Arabia and Iran Make Quiet Openings to Head Off War

After years of growing hostility and competition for influence, Saudi Arabia and Iran have taken steps toward indirect talks to try to reduce the tensions that have brought the Middle East to the brink of war, according to officials from several countries involved in the efforts.

Even the prospect of such talks represents a remarkable turnaround, coming only a few weeks after a coordinated attack on Saudi oil installations led to bellicose threats in the Persian Gulf. Any reconciliation between Saudi Arabia and Iran could have far-reaching consequences for conflicts across the region.

It was President Trump’s refusal to retaliate against Iran for the Sept. 14 attack, analysts say, that set off unintended consequences, prompting Saudi Arabia to seek its own solution to the conflict. That solution, in turn, could subvert Mr. Trump’s effort to build an Arab alliance to isolate Iran.

In recent weeks, officials of Iraq and Pakistan said, the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, asked the leaders of those two countries to speak with their Iranian counterparts about de-escalation.

Iran welcomed the gestures, stating privately and publicly that it was open to talks with Saudi Arabia.

In a statement to The New York Times on Friday, the Saudi government acknowledged that Iraq and Pakistan had offered to mediate talks between the two countries but denied that Prince Mohammed had taken the initiative.

“Efforts at de-escalation must emanate from the party that began the escalation and launched attacks, not the kingdom,” the statement said.

Distrust between the two Middle Eastern powers remains intense, and the prospect of high-level direct talks any time soon appears remote. But even a slight warming could echo far outside their respective borders, where their rivalry fuels political divides from Lebanon to Yemen.

Iran has long wanted to wrest the Saudis from their alliance with Iran’s archenemies, Israel and the United States, which are waging a “maximum pressure” campaign against Iran to try to force it to restrict its nuclear program and stop backing militias in the region.

Iran’s receptiveness for contact with the Saudis contrasts with its chilly tone toward the United States. Last week, Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, dodged an opportunity to speak directly with Mr. Trump while both were attending the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

The new overtures between Saudi Arabia and Iran began in the aftermath of last month’s drone and cruise missile strikes on two Saudi oil facilities, which Saudi Arabia and the United States accused Iran of orchestrating.

Despite tough threats by the Trump administration, the president declined to order a military response. The demurral raised questions for the Saudis about the American commitment to Saudi security, which has underpinned the strategic layout of the Persian Gulf for decades.

Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan met with Prince Mohammed, the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, in Jeddah last month. Days later, while Mr. Khan was at the General Assembly, he told reporters that Prince Mohammed had asked him to talk to Iran.

Prince Mohammed told Mr. Khan, “I want to avoid war,” according to a senior Pakistani official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters. “He asked the prime minister to get involved.”

Mr. Khan then spoke with Mr. Rouhani on the sidelines of the General Assembly.


The Iraqi prime minister, Adel Abdul Mahdi, visited Saudi Arabia a few days after Mr. Khan did.

Iran’s receptiveness for contact with the Saudis contrasts with its chilly tone toward the United States. Last week, Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, dodged an opportunity to speak directly with Mr. Trump while both were attending the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

The new overtures between Saudi Arabia and Iran began in the aftermath of last month’s drone and cruise missile strikes on two Saudi oil facilities, which Saudi Arabia and the United States accused Iran of orchestrating.

Despite tough threats by the Trump administration, the president declined to order a military response. The demurral raised questions for the Saudis about the American commitment to Saudi security, which has underpinned the strategic layout of the Persian Gulf for decades.

Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan met with Prince Mohammed, the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, in Jeddah last month. Days later, while Mr. Khan was at the General Assembly, he told reporters that Prince Mohammed had asked him to talk to Iran.

Prince Mohammed told Mr. Khan, “I want to avoid war,” according to a senior Pakistani official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters. “He asked the prime minister to get involved.”

Mr. Khan then spoke with Mr. Rouhani on the sidelines of the General Assembly.

The Iraqi prime minister, Adel Abdul Mahdi, visited Saudi Arabia a few days after Mr. Khan did.

that's really good news.
 
Good initiative. However, honestly speaking I'm not sure this will solve the real issue at hand. KSA and Iran as the two leading powers in the region have been engaged in a proxy war for dominance in the region and they have defacto carved the region and the people(Muslim world included) into 2 camp: "Iranian camp and Saudi camp".
I don't see them backing down at all, if anything the proxy war will only get bloodier, since no side seems to be willing to back down from their gains(which is normal giving the stakes involved). So expect the proxy war to continue unabated. :D
 
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If Saudi Arabia really makes war with Iran.

Then Middle Easterns are really stupid!!!

Does Middle East really need more war???

It's more likely they are being contested, and they really eat the bait!
 
Saudi Arabia was never going to go to war with Iran when they cant even handle a bunch of farmers in Poor Yemen. What really happened was the House of Saud failed in pushing America in going to war against Iran, despite Prince Bone Saw wasting tonnes of money on American Weapons.
 
Why Saudi need Pakistani PM or Iraqi Leader to talk with Iran? do you believe they are not engaged behind the scene? They dont have any hotline or contact? MBS dont have personal phone number of Ali Khamenai and Rouhani?
 
Why Saudi need Pakistani PM or Iraqi Leader to talk with Iran? do you believe they are not engaged behind the scene? They dont have any hotline or contact? MBS dont have personal phone number of Ali Khamenai and Rouhani?

You underestimate the 'ego' issues that runs deep especially in non-Western cultures. Being 'practical' at expense of potential loss of public face is a nightmare in such cultures... So help of mutually acceptable interlocutors is really needed here. Both Pakistan and Iraq (and perhaps Turkey) fit the bill.
 
This is a big news and has strategic implications for Pakistan. From today's NY Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-iran-talks.html

Saudi Arabia and Iran Make Quiet Openings to Head Off War

After years of growing hostility and competition for influence, Saudi Arabia and Iran have taken steps toward indirect talks to try to reduce the tensions that have brought the Middle East to the brink of war, according to officials from several countries involved in the efforts.

Even the prospect of such talks represents a remarkable turnaround, coming only a few weeks after a coordinated attack on Saudi oil installations led to bellicose threats in the Persian Gulf. Any reconciliation between Saudi Arabia and Iran could have far-reaching consequences for conflicts across the region.

It was President Trump’s refusal to retaliate against Iran for the Sept. 14 attack, analysts say, that set off unintended consequences, prompting Saudi Arabia to seek its own solution to the conflict. That solution, in turn, could subvert Mr. Trump’s effort to build an Arab alliance to isolate Iran.

In recent weeks, officials of Iraq and Pakistan said, the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, asked the leaders of those two countries to speak with their Iranian counterparts about de-escalation.

Iran welcomed the gestures, stating privately and publicly that it was open to talks with Saudi Arabia.

In a statement to The New York Times on Friday, the Saudi government acknowledged that Iraq and Pakistan had offered to mediate talks between the two countries but denied that Prince Mohammed had taken the initiative.

“Efforts at de-escalation must emanate from the party that began the escalation and launched attacks, not the kingdom,” the statement said.

Distrust between the two Middle Eastern powers remains intense, and the prospect of high-level direct talks any time soon appears remote. But even a slight warming could echo far outside their respective borders, where their rivalry fuels political divides from Lebanon to Yemen.

Iran has long wanted to wrest the Saudis from their alliance with Iran’s archenemies, Israel and the United States, which are waging a “maximum pressure” campaign against Iran to try to force it to restrict its nuclear program and stop backing militias in the region.

Iran’s receptiveness for contact with the Saudis contrasts with its chilly tone toward the United States. Last week, Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, dodged an opportunity to speak directly with Mr. Trump while both were attending the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

The new overtures between Saudi Arabia and Iran began in the aftermath of last month’s drone and cruise missile strikes on two Saudi oil facilities, which Saudi Arabia and the United States accused Iran of orchestrating.

Despite tough threats by the Trump administration, the president declined to order a military response. The demurral raised questions for the Saudis about the American commitment to Saudi security, which has underpinned the strategic layout of the Persian Gulf for decades.

Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan met with Prince Mohammed, the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, in Jeddah last month. Days later, while Mr. Khan was at the General Assembly, he told reporters that Prince Mohammed had asked him to talk to Iran.

Prince Mohammed told Mr. Khan, “I want to avoid war,” according to a senior Pakistani official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters. “He asked the prime minister to get involved.”

Mr. Khan then spoke with Mr. Rouhani on the sidelines of the General Assembly.


The Iraqi prime minister, Adel Abdul Mahdi, visited Saudi Arabia a few days after Mr. Khan did.

Iran’s receptiveness for contact with the Saudis contrasts with its chilly tone toward the United States. Last week, Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, dodged an opportunity to speak directly with Mr. Trump while both were attending the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

The new overtures between Saudi Arabia and Iran began in the aftermath of last month’s drone and cruise missile strikes on two Saudi oil facilities, which Saudi Arabia and the United States accused Iran of orchestrating.

Despite tough threats by the Trump administration, the president declined to order a military response. The demurral raised questions for the Saudis about the American commitment to Saudi security, which has underpinned the strategic layout of the Persian Gulf for decades.

Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan met with Prince Mohammed, the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, in Jeddah last month. Days later, while Mr. Khan was at the General Assembly, he told reporters that Prince Mohammed had asked him to talk to Iran.

Prince Mohammed told Mr. Khan, “I want to avoid war,” according to a senior Pakistani official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters. “He asked the prime minister to get involved.”

Mr. Khan then spoke with Mr. Rouhani on the sidelines of the General Assembly.

The Iraqi prime minister, Adel Abdul Mahdi, visited Saudi Arabia a few days after Mr. Khan did.
Perfect! Turkey entering Syria, Iraq intimidating Iran, Iran intimidating Saudia, Saudia Intimidating Iran, I mean it's a perfect recipe of destruction of Middle East. What a plan by Israel and her caretakers.
 

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