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[Viet]

So why does VietNam still wants to cling onto China and not get closer to the US/west?

One country (China) constantly harrasses and publically insult VietNam, has a huge trade surplus over VietNam without caring about the imbalance, never provided any help or assistance (political or financial) to VietNam this past 30 years.

The other country (US) have been providing political support to VietNam, assistance such as agent orange removal, emergency aid, and allows a huge trade surplus for VietNam.

let talk first about china. we are in a very vulnerable position: the close proximity to china.

if you look at the map, we share land and sea border with the chinese. they not only started plenty of wars against vietnam, but supported our enemies to attack us. no wonder we hate them, we have more than enough from their bullying and aggressions. the only chance to stop them is creating a military balance by either increasing landmass and maritime domain or acquiring modern weapons.

our forefathers eastern move to the south china sea and marches to the southern and western frontiers were all attempts to get our military on a par with the chinese, as we want to end their policy of intimidation.

vietnam relationship to america is complicated and complex. it is not all fine as it should be. why not allying with America? it is easier said than done. it is a very complex issue. we have to calculate with chinese retaliation to such move.

 

[William Hung]

let talk first about china. we are in a very vulnerable position: the close proximity to china.

if you look at the map, we share land and sea border with the chinese. they not only started plenty of wars against vietnam, but supported our enemies to attack us. no wonder we hate them, we have more enough from their bullying and aggressions. the only chance to stop them is creating a military balance by either increasing landmass and maritime domain or acquiring modern weapons.

our forefathers eastern move to the south china sea and marches to the southern and western frontiers were all attempts to get our military on a par with the chinese, as we want to end their policy of intimidation.

vietnam relationship to america is complicated and complex. it is not all fine as it should be.

This enforces my question, why does VietNam continue to cling onto China, when China has bad intentions against VietNam?

 

[Beast]

well, not yet, but that was the US congress, that passed a resolution demanding china to withdraw the oil rig out of vietnam´waters, or else...face consequenses.

you see Chinese love to bully the weak and kowtow to the mighty. So their mentality. I hope Hillary Clinton becomes the next US president, then we will have more fun in the south china sea. it is only the firepower that impresses the chinese clowns.

U.S. CONGRESS PASSED RESOLUTION ON SOUTH CHINA SEA

Lol.. Why China didn't stop the construction at fiery cross reef? I thought the super mighty US ask China to stop work? Obvious, it went deaf.

 

[Beast]

This enforces my question, why does VietNam continue to cling onto China, when China has bad intentions against VietNam?

China growth is one of the main factor propelling vietnam grow too. China value low price product like precision machinery and equipment help vietnam small business. Same as many factors. It is naive to think vietnam can do without China. For example the newly construct world Asia bank. China is one of the few countries that can provide no string cheap loan and has massive experience building infrastructure. Western countries can do it but not without overcharging and politic attachment.

 

[William Hung]

Lol.. Why China didn't stop the construction at fiery cross reef? I thought the super mighty US ask China to stop work? Obvious, it went deaf.

Why would the US need to physically force China to stop? it's not like it would be the end of the world if China succeed in building an artificial island.

The US voicing it's opposition is a diplomatic gesture to countries and allies in the region. And obviously it irked China enough for its officials to argue against the US' opposition.

 

[Beast]

Why would the US need to physically force China to stop? it's not like it would be the end of the world if China succeed in building an artificial island.

The US voicing it's opposition is a diplomatic gesture to countries and allies in the region. And obviously it irked China enough for its officials to argue against the US' opposition.

Precisely but some viet member think US is some superior bring that has a say in telling China what to do...

 

[Viet]

Lol.. Why China didn't stop the construction at fiery cross reef? I thought the super mighty US ask China to stop work? Obvious, it went deaf.

your construction on one or more islands does not change the status quo. the placement of the oil rig in our EEZ does if we accepted it.

 

[William Hung]

China growth is one of the main factor propelling vietnam grow too. China value low price product like precision machinery and equipment help vietnam small business. Same as many factors. It is naive to think vietnam can do without China.

Many Viet members here argue that using low cost Chinese machinery cost/harm Viet business more in the long run. I remember someone posting articles about such machinery breaking down and the manufactuer won't keep their obligation in servicing them, etc.

And relying on China is not necessary for development. Singapore, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, etc, did not rely on China during their early development phase.

 

[Viet]

Why would the US need to physically force China to stop? it's not like it would be the end of the world if China succeed in building an artificial island.

The US voicing it's opposition is a diplomatic gesture to countries and allies in the region. And obviously it irked China enough for its officials to argue against the US' opposition.

well, the US remains neutral in the dispute. it is not an issue if both parties vietnam and china enlarge the islands or even build artificial ones. but challenging the status quo by violating our EEZ is a way leading to war.

 

[William Hung]

Precisely but some viet member think US is some superior bring that has a say in telling China what to do...

The US making a loud diplomatic gesture is better than Russia staying completely silent even after when VietNam have asked them to voice its support.

 

[Viet]

Many Viet members here argue that using low cost Chinese machinery cost/harm Viet business more in the long run. I remember someone posting articles about such machinery breaking down and the manufactuer won't keep their obligation in servicing them, etc.

And relying on China is not necessary for development. Singapore, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, etc, did not rely on China during their early development phase.

chinese investment is very little in vietnam. we rely more on money from singapore than giant china.

 

[NiceGuy]

This enforces my question, why does VietNam continue to cling onto China, when China has bad intentions against VietNam?

Who will be the next target for US when communist China collapse ?? it will be communist VN !

So, it'd better to keep a balance relationship as long as China dont push us too hard.

 

[William Hung]

China is one of the few countries that can provide no string cheap loan and has massive experience building infrastructure. Western countries can do it but not without overcharging and politic attachment.

Are you sure there are no strings attached? what about during the brief skirmishes with Japan and the Philippines when China virtually froze rare earth export to Japan and various imports from the Philippines.

The attached strings seems to be: "don't make us angry and listen to what we say, otherwise..."

 

[William Hung]

Who will be the next target for US when communist China collapse ?? it will be communist VN !

So, it'd better to keep a balance relationship as long as China dont push us too hard.

Define for me what is "communist VN". I'm not sure what you mean by these two words.

So are you saying China hasn't been pushing too hard yet? If China hasn't been pushing too hard yet then why are you complaining about China being aggressive, theives, etc?

Why does the VN govt officials keep complaining about Chinese actions? why do they need to spend a lot of money on military weapons when other civilian projects need more funding?

If you say VN needs to spend money on weapons for backup against China, doesn't this mean that China has been pushing too hard? If you desparately need money to fund civilian projects but instead spend it on military equipments because of the Chinese threats, doesn't this mean that China has been pushing too hard and is too threatening?

Or are you saying that there are no Chinese threats and so buying military equipments is just for fun?

So you need to make up your mind... Has China pushed too hard and has become a threat to VN?

If yes, then China indeed has pushed too hard.

If no, then stop complaining about the SCS dispute/China being aggressive, and spend the money on something more important.

VietNam's "balancing game" is currently not working. You are currently getting no major help from neither China nor the US. And VN is spending money on military equipments while infrastructures are underdeveloped, which means that VN cannot become industrialised. So obviously this "balanced relationship" thing is not working for VN.

 

[Beast]

Are you sure there are no strings attached? what about during the brief skirmishes with Japan and the Philippines when China virtually froze rare earth export to Japan and various imports from the Philippines.

The attached strings seems to be: "don't make us angry and listen to what we say, otherwise..."

How about you compare to what western package tied too? If its such a bad deal. Vietnam would not join the China bank too,right?