Saeed again publicly spews anti-India, US venom

[SQ8]

Oscar, I think it was just to people like Saeed not to the common people of pakistan. You will analyse the same perception on the other side of border too(in case of terrorist).

Then they should have they guts to come out and say it.. instead of hiding behind jumbled words and statements.
There are many who keep quiet on both sides of border just so not to offend ones filled with venom and hate for the other side.
Its time they got up and said NO... we do wish for peace.. we do wish to understand why the other person feels that way..
and we do wish to tell them that we will do the best we can as a common man to address their grievousness.

 

[Papa]

Then they should have they guts to come out and say it.. instead of hiding behind jumbled words and statements.
There are many who keep quiet on both sides of border just so not to offend ones filled with venom and hate for the other side.
Its time they got up and said NO... we do wish for peace.. we do wish to understand why the other person feels that way..
and we do wish to tell them that we will do the best we can as a common man to address their grievousness.

Oscar- oscar, just a question from a common man either side of a border. Practical response and a feasible one is much needed

What a common man can do apart from a vote?

 

[Machete]

and I think it's time for some Indian's to come back to reality and stop living in lala land.

Haahaa according to Pakistan , India is sole responsible for Baluchistan and Sindudesh insurgencies and you people strongly believing that India executed Mehran base( wic is highly secured) attack. Then hw you people thinking that assassinating someone in Pakistan would be impossible for us? damn logic is missing ryt. Actually OBL raid really given us much confidence ok..... don't go getting delusion of grandeur.

 

[unicorn]

Indian involvement of supporting terrorist from Afghanistan into Pakistan's Baluchistan is nothing new.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Indian involvement of supporting terrorist from Afghanistan into Pakistan's Baluchistan is nothing new.

There was no evidence presented by your Govt, a mere speculation by your Govt.

Even the US is speculative.

BALOCHISTAN - CONFLICT BETWEEN BALOCH SEPARTISTS AND GOVERNMENT FORCES CONTINUES TO THREATEN STABILITY OF PROVINCE

Comment: Post continues to monitor the deteriorating security
situation in Balochistan with concern. While outside support to the
Baloch insurgency from Indian intelligence and its agents in southern
Afghanistan is plausible, the escalation of violence in Balochistan
can be chiefly attributed to indigenous separatist elements. If the
federal government is unsuccessful in addressing the economic and
political concerns of the Baloch middle class, the insurgency
threatens to further alienate the GoP from the people of Balochistan,
eroding the GoP's writ in the province. Of additional concern is
that this conflict has created ungoverned space that outside
elements, such as militant forces fleeing ongoing operations in
Afghanistan and Waziristan, are capable of exploiting. To date, the
Baloch insurgency remains a secular movement vigorously opposed to
the religious ideology of Taliban/al-Qaeda elements and has not found
common cause with that movement. However, as the conflict with the
government goes forward, it is possible that approaches by
Taliban/al-Qaeda for safehaven may become more attractive to Baloch
insurgents.

BALOCHISTAN : THE NATIONALIST INSURGENCY

The Baloch Weapons' Suppliers
-----------------------------

¶11. (S) The Baloch militias appear to be buying their weapons
from smugglers from Afghanistan, according to Embassy
contacts. These weapons are being run into the country by
hard-core criminal gangs, said Director General of the
National Police Bureau Muhammad Shoaib Suddle, who served
three tours with the police in the province. "They are not
doing it for tribal affinity; they are doing it for money."
The DGMI says it is easy to get weapons from narcotics
traffickers in the region. The GOP worries that Afghanistan
and India, the latter through its consulates in Afghanistan
and Iran, are providing funding and lethal aid to the Baloch
insurgents. (Note: Embassy has no evidence that India is
providing support to the Baloch insurgency through its
consulates in Afghanistan and Iran. End note.) Indian
financial assistance to the Baloch nationalists, if it
exists, could also be funneled through Baloch expatriates in
the Persian Gulf states who remit funds to the province.

 

[Adnan Faruqi]

And people like you are the mirror to Saeed.. full of hate just like him.

1. Are u for real????????????

What hate ur talking about???????

2. As per Govt. of India and USA saeed is a mass murderer and terrorist when pakistan don't take any action against him and gives him freedom to spit venom and hate then Govt. of India should take serious note of it.

And stop all the peace crap.

3. If saeed is innocent then why govt. of India blames him and if guilty then why not act?????

 

[unicorn]

There was no evidence presented by your Govt, a mere speculation by your Govt.

Even the US is speculative.

BALOCHISTAN - CONFLICT BETWEEN BALOCH SEPARTISTS AND GOVERNMENT FORCES CONTINUES TO THREATEN STABILITY OF PROVINCE



BALOCHISTAN : THE NATIONALIST INSURGENCY

You own Prime Minister accepted the Indian involvement in Balochistan in Egypt Conference.

And as far as evidence is concerned India has also not given any evidence of Hafiz Saeed involvement in Mumbai Attack. Even USA is saying that there are no evidences and we have set the prize money of 10 million for any one to come forward and prove which I am sure will never be happen because Hafiz Saeed was release by the full bench of Lahore high Court of Pakistan and the Pakistani people have complete faith in that decision.

 

[Rusty]

Ask the UN, after all your nation too voted for the resolution.

Spare the terminologies for now



Did he tell you that?



Appreciate your concern.



They do a bit.



If that is true, the back channel diplomacy with Musharraf would have never started in the first place.




The back channel diplomacy went on , until Musharraf had to resign because of internal problems.

1. So? I don't see any proof there, just a list of peoples names that UN doesn't like.

2. "Spare the terminologies for now" AKA You are right and I can't make a counter argument against that point

3. And did he tell you that he had any ambitions outside South Asia?

4. You're welcome, only reciprocating the overwhelming concern you guys have shown for us.

5. If you guys are happy being called "Slumdog" then more power to you.

Top RJ in US calls Indian BPO workers ?slumdogs? - Times Of India

6. It takes no courage to receive back channel communications.

7. Why were they back channel? Why didn't the Indian Government have the courage to bring them to the front and show the people of South Asia that they were also willing to give peace a chance?

 

[Thor]

With the "dossier" of evidence produced by India to Pakistan, which was claimed by the GoP as nothing more then information then evidence, a case was bought against Hafiz Saeed Sahib in a Pakistani High Court.... however based on the flimsy evidence produced against India he was acquitted and the case thrown out of court with a lack of evidence.

India is now producing more evidence and presenting new dossiers to Pakistan, as one was only presented last week brings forward the obvious questions, why were these "dossiers" and evidences bought forward at the start, what new evidence from the 26/11 attacks could they now present which has not been produced int he Kasab trial and why all the evidence from the Kasab trial was not produced against a case with Hafiz Saeed Sahib.......... clearly India either does not have any evidence other then speculation, or testimonies of person in custody which itself does not hold any weight when the use of torture is widespread in India hence the testimony of such an individual holds no legal admissability or the obvious fact is that India is making this up along they go......

According to Pakistani law, Hafiz Saeed Sahib can be re-arrested if new evidence comes to light, however the argument his lawyers have put forward is that there is no new evidence and any new information being provided by India is not new, it is new to Pakistan but it has beenin the hands of the Indians for quite a while and should have been presented at the start, not in drips and drabs which in itself is an abuse of the court system and on the rights of an indiviual of Pakistan who has a right to a free life without the cloud of POSSIBLE involvement over his head when he has already had his case heard in court.

India needs to seriously come down from its high horse and aceept the fact that not everything is going to go their way.... if they do not have evidence, then the man walks, he will not be convicted to please India...... as I dont see the terrorists in Indian uniform being convicted for the genocide they have committed in Kashmir yet........

 

[illusion8]

One Question - Would an agreement entered into by Musharraf and India have any locus standi in Pakistan considering he is a pariah presently and cannot enter Pakistan?

 

[Thor]

One Question - Would an agreement entered into by Musharraf and India have any locus standi in Pakistan considering he is a pariah presently and cannot enter Pakistan?

Well now that you mention an agreement between Musharaf and India then NO......... Pakistan and India is a different matter altogether

 

[illusion8]

Well now that you mention an agreement between Musharaf and India then NO......... Pakistan and India is a different matter altogether

As a matter of fact would an agreement drawn by Zardari himself hold water considering his unknown future. He might end up in jail after his term? - who knows, or might be in exile like Musharraf.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

1. So? I don't see any proof there, just a list of peoples names that UN doesn't like.

A chap associated with Al-Queda as per UN, evidence provided by Indian Govt, what more does GOP need to investigate this guy?

2. "Spare the terminologies for now" AKA You are right and I can't make a counter argument against that point

Is there definition for Global terrorist?

3. And did he tell you that he had any ambitions outside South Asia?

In others words its a conjecture at this point, but i wasn't the one who made the statement in the first place

5. If you guys are happy being called "Slumdog" then more power to you.

Top RJ in US calls Indian BPO workers ?slumdogs? - Times Of India

Like i said , they do a bit, just as much there is chance a Pakistani will get mistaken for an Indian and be called a slumdog, sameway an Indian can get mistaken and called terrorist.

6. It takes no courage to receive back channel communications.

Ok

7. Why were they back channel? Why didn't the Indian Government have the courage to bring them to the front and show the people of South Asia that they were also willing to give peace a chance?

I could ask the same question to your Govt, since your Govt was with India in it.

 

[Thor]

As a matter of fact would an agreement drawn by Zardari himself hold water considering his unknown future. He might end up in jail after his term? - who knows, or might be in exile like Musharraf.

Is this even on topic or are you just talking rubbish now...........

 

[illusion8]

Is this even on topic or are you just talking rubbish now...........

No this was to a post on the peace initiatives forwarded by Musharraf to India.