SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[大汉奸柳传志]

Ban or Bang ?

OH It‘s in chinese ，must be my typo

 

[Khanivore]

Please educate yourself before posting crap

India's Top 5 exports

1. Gems and Jewelry $ 8 billion- Value added industry (Import -> Diamond Cutting ->Export)
2. Oil: $4.4 billion - Value added Industry (Import -> Refining ->Export)
3. Pharmaceuticals: $3.8 billion Indigenous Manufacturing
4. Other textiles, worn clothing: $2.2 billion Manufacturing
5. Machines, engines, pumps: $2 billion Manufacturing

Sincere request - educate yourself

Umm, what is "crap" in my post?... Let me politely remind you that my reply was to the following cheap jibe from one of your countrymen: "Your country is famous for making absolute crap. You're world famous for that, you should be proud."

Did you actually read exactly what I was replying to in my post or skimmed it for tidbits so you could post your pitiful "India's Top 5 exports" in comparison to China??

 

[Spectre]

Umm, what is "crap" in my post?... Let me politely remind you that my reply was to the following cheap jibe from one of your countrymen: "Your country is famous for making absolute crap. You're world famous for that, you should be proud."

Did you actually read exactly what I was replying to in my post or skimmed it for tidbits so you could post your pitiful "India's Top 5 exports" in comparison to China??

I agree Indian export to China is mostly primary goods but that is because China restricts or imposes heavy levy on goods like pharma.

My countrymen was wrong in that and I apologize. We are in no position to compare ourselves with China but even you have said that:

Apart from raw and processed materials, what is India exporting that is a technological success? (I'm not talking about software)

My reply was to above statement. India exports pharma, automobiles and electronics too of course nothing on the scale of China so your statement is tad unfair

 

[Khanivore]

Apart from raw and processed materials, what is India exporting that is a technological success? (I'm not talking about software)

My reply was to above statement. India exports pharma, automobiles and electronics too of course nothing on the scale of China so your statement is tad unfair

You are right about pharmaceutical sector which is actually one of India's successes and I appreciate you pointed that out to me. Fair point. However, overall, India has a long way to go but not without increasing difficulties due to stiff global competition.

 

[Spectre]

You are right about pharmaceutical sector which is actually one of India's successes and I appreciate you pointed that out to me. Fair point. However, overall, India has a long way to go but not without increasing difficulties due to stiff global competition.

I agree, you guys pulled way ahead of us during 2000-2015 and we had a corrupt and inept govt from 2003-2014 which suffocated the industry. We can only catch up now but the lead will remain.

What will happen is India will take China's place in low tech manufacturing as China moves to high -tech

 

[kakajee]

I agree, you guys pulled way ahead of us during 2000-2015 and we had a corrupt and inept govt from 2003-2014 which suffocated the industry. We can only catch up now but the lead will remain.

What will happen is India will take China's place in low tech manufacturing as China moves to high -tech

we should get rid of corruption first...Indian meds recently banned in us

 

[Spectre]

we should get rid of corruption first...Indian meds recently banned in us

I agree although only certain meds of certain comapanies have under review. India still exports large amount of pharma products to US and all over the world

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

We have no appetite for such aircraft. Pakistan's front line fighter will be JF17. All the other work will be done by F16s, a fleet of which will be enhanced further. China tries to sell everything to PK as a testing and demonstration ground, this aircraft is yet to be proven, and is years away from being something useful for us.

 

[nk2120132471]

China tries to sell everything to PK as a testing and demonstration ground, this aircraft is yet to be proven, and is years away from being something useful for us.

no need to worry.If FC-31 is seld to pakistan,it must be combat ready.the producer AVIC has a standard process of designing,producing,testing and selling.besides,PAF will make an asessment about it before it join paf.

 

[Mrc]

We have no appetite for such aircraft. Pakistan's front line fighter will be JF17. All the other work will be done by F16s, a fleet of which will be enhanced further. China tries to sell everything to PK as a testing and demonstration ground, this aircraft is yet to be proven, and is years away from being something useful for us.

The key is to get this jet in to service quickly..
Even if it has no ground attack capability, if it has an engine and can fly, has a descent radar and can fire air to air missiles, it is more than worth inducting it...
Its a stealth fighter, and even with above basics wud thrust PAF into a force generation ahead of others, provided it can be inducted fairly quickly

 

[Mrc]

Let me put it another way..stealth fighter is going to be a game changer. It will make any 4th gen airforce obsolete if inducted early enough. Pakistan shud focus on j 31 as dedicated air superiority fighter and forget about inducting another 4th gen aircraft if this can be percured in a reasonable time..

I dont know bilal khan what are u talking about and your whole post is very detached from reality...

 

[abaseen99]

Russia can put Pakistan Su-35
09/07/2015
981


Russia may deliver to Pakistan, apart from a few units of Mi-35M, Su-35. This was announced by the Assistant Russian President Vladimir Kozhin, RIA Novosti reported.

According to the source, the negotiations on the preparation of contracts for the delivery to Pakistan of "several pieces of" Mi-35M and Su-35 are continuing. At the same time, he stressed that there is no information on the number of fighters, estimated to delivery.

Earlier reports said that Pakistan can be supplied attack helicopters Mi-35M. This was stated by the Russian ambassador in the country, without specifying the number of combat vehicles.

The Su-35 has not previously been supplied abroad. Currently we are discussing a contract for the sale of fighter jets to China.

Su-35 - multirole fighter generation 4 ++, deep modernization of the Su-27 avionics with elements of combat aircraft of the fifth generation. Fighter in 2011, is being tested. The first aircraft of this type appeared in the army in late 2012 and transferred into trial operation.
Россия может поставить Пакистану истребители Су-35 | Военный информатор

 

[Hurter]

Russia can put Pakistan Su-35
09/07/2015
981


Russia may deliver to Pakistan, apart from a few units of Mi-35M, Su-35. This was announced by the Assistant Russian President Vladimir Kozhin, RIA Novosti reported.

According to the source, the negotiations on the preparation of contracts for the delivery to Pakistan of "several pieces of" Mi-35M and Su-35 are continuing. At the same time, he stressed that there is no information on the number of fighters, estimated to delivery.

Earlier reports said that Pakistan can be supplied attack helicopters Mi-35M. This was stated by the Russian ambassador in the country, without specifying the number of combat vehicles.

The Su-35 has not previously been supplied abroad. Currently we are discussing a contract for the sale of fighter jets to China.

Su-35 - multirole fighter generation 4 ++, deep modernization of the Su-27 avionics with elements of combat aircraft of the fifth generation. Fighter in 2011, is being tested. The first aircraft of this type appeared in the army in late 2012 and transferred into trial operation.
Россия может поставить Пакистану истребители Су-35 | Военный информатор

This has been discussed I think. And this news only came on the Russian website.

 

[MastanKhan]

Let me put it another way..stealth fighter is going to be a game changer. It will make any 4th gen airforce obsolete if inducted early enough. Pakistan shud focus on j 31 as dedicated air superiority fighter and forget about inducting another 4th gen aircraft if this can be percured in a reasonable time..

I dont know bilal khan what are u talking about and your whole post is very detached from reality...

Hi,

It is better and cheaper to continue on with the 4 and 4.5 gen technology for as long as possible.

Pakistan should delay the purchase of a 5th gen for as long as possible till India does not make a commitment.

Changing fighter aircraft is not like changing your underwear. There is a systematic and a pragmatic approach to the issue. You just don't go out and buy something just like that---you have to buy it keeping in mind and seeing what the enemy is going to procure and what it has procured.

J31 is going to develop in time and the longer it takes for development---the better end product we will have. If the strategic issues give us a 10---15 years time to start integrating the J31---then one should rest assured that the technology outcome would almost be time and a half to twice as good---and same with the weapons as well.

 

[CHI RULES]

Hi,

It is better and cheaper to continue on with the 4 and 4.5 gen technology for as long as possible.

Pakistan should delay the purchase of a 5th gen for as long as possible till India does not make a commitment.

Changing fighter aircraft is not like changing your underwear. There is a systematic and a pragmatic approach to the issue. You just don't go out and buy something just like that---you have to buy it keeping in mind and seeing what the enemy is going to procure and what it has procured.

J31 is going to develop in time and the longer it takes for development---the better end product we will have. If the strategic issues give us a 10---15 years time to start integrating the J31---then one should rest assured that the technology outcome would almost be time and a half to twice as good---and same with the weapons as well.

Dear Sir,
Mostly I am agreed with You but some new platform is due for Pak in heavy category of 4.5 gen as India is also getting Rafaels though in limited numbers. While Pak only has 76 F16s we may say handful to counter Indian Jets even their Migs have been upgraded. We may go for same engines for our new plat form as used in our Jf17s.
Similarly excuse that Indian Su Mki are not in good shape then what abt our Mirrages and F7s. We want replacement of our vintage jets soon.
Being only a layman I can say that PAF and PN are in dire need of 4.5th gen Platform for deep strike missions. Some times offence is the best defense. One major part in our surrender in Bangladesh was our defensive posture.