SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[Donatello]

Airshow China 2014: Pakistan in talks to buy '30-40 FC-31s'
Farhan Bokhari, Islamabad - IHS Jane's Defence Industry
12 November 2014


The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is in talks with China to buy 30 to 40 of the Shenyang FC-31 twin-engined stealth fighter displayed at Airshow China 2014 in Zhuhai, a senior Pakistani government official has revealed to IHS Jane's .

"The discussions are beyond initial inquiries and they fit into the pattern of Pakistan being the first export customer of Chinese [military] hardware," said the official.

The FC-31 was unveiled as an export model at Zhuhai, although a prototype with the J-31 designation has been flying at a Shenyang Aircraft Corporation facility since 2012.

In 2007 then air chief marshal Tanvir Mahmood Ahmed, who at the time was PAF chief of staff, told IHS Jane's that Islamabad was considering the purchase of up to two squadrons or 30 to 40 of Chengdu J-10 fighters.

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@TheOccupiedKashmir @fatman17 Can you get full access to article ?

Stomach bug hits India.

 

[Donatello]

@Oscar @Jungibaaz @WebMaster @Horus @Chak Bamu @Manticore

Guys,

Seriously, why are Indian members allowed to post here? It's not like they can add anything technical to discussion to the topic at hand. All the information is available to us as it comes, and it is naturally a topic for Pakistanis and Chinese only.

Please thread ban all Indians. They are contributing nothing of value.

 

[Donatello]

The discussion was going on about engines.Whats offtopic here?

The fact what India operates and what it will operate in dreams.

 

[Donatello]

The thread should at max be 10 pages long. But wallah, thanks to the retards from across the LOC, we will have another thread part 2 soon. India this India that. F***in Bullshyt.

 

[narcon]

While I consider a 100 of these jets to constitute a good detterent, what is your take on this?

In 2020 100 pcs of such fighters will cost Pakistan how much?

I do not think China will donate them.

As for the Chinese investment in Pakistan last year, being an all weather friend, was very dismal = Measly 90 million only.
Whereas China spent 100 Billion overseas.

Under such scenario, Pakistan will have tough time coughing up any such (probable) hefty amount.

 

[Donatello]

I've always been a J-31 believer. If Pakistan is seriously interested in upgrading her force, she should decide to skip out on the middle man (J-10B) and go straight for J-31. You get a true fifth generation design (AESA radar, EODAS, etc.) using the same engines as the JF-17.

what are specs on the AESA for J-31.....and any IRST system?

 

[The SC]

In 2020 100 pcs of such fighters will cost Pakistan how much?

I do not think China will donate them.

As for the Chinese investment in Pakistan last year, being an all weather friend, was very dismal = Measly 90 million only.
Whereas China spent 100 Billion overseas.

Under such scenario, Pakistan will have tough time coughing up any such (probable) hefty amount.

Chinese investment in Pakistan most recent news is about $50 billion.
100 FC-31s from 2018 to 2025 will cost around $5 billion, maybe a bit more, let us say that Pakistan starts saving $500 million a year from now to 2025, that will make it $5 billion by that time or end of production., this is well in the capacities of Pakistan, the economic growth rate is around 4% now, and with a better economy, $5 or $6 billion budget spread on a10 year period will be even easier than now.

 

[SQ8]

Any other posts discussing equipment unrelated to the J-31 will be considered off topic and liable for warnings............

or worse

 

[My-Analogous]

@Manticore

Guys,

Seriously, why are Indian members allowed to post here? It's not like they can add anything technical to discussion to the topic at hand. All the information is available to us as it comes, and it is naturally a topic for Pakistanis and Chinese only.

Please thread ban all Indians. They are contributing nothing of value.[/QUOTE]

"I am 2nd to you and only think they are doing that we have Super Duper masters and highly intelligent and what we are working on its junks."

 

[NKVD]

Chinese investment in Pakistan most recent news is about $50 billion.
100 FC-31s from 2018 to 2025 will cost around $5 billion, maybe a bit more, let us say that Pakistan starts saving $500 million a year from now to 2025, that will make it $5 billion by that time or end of production., this is well in the capacities of Pakistan, the economic growth rate is around 4% now, and with a better economy, $5 or $6 billion budget spread on a10 year period will be even easier than now.

Civilian invest is different from Military . if We assume fC-31 cost around 80 billion Excluding flying cost per piece just multiply 80x100= 8 billion $ As of now whole operating Budget of PAF is 3 billion $ so you will do what Retire all Rest of the Fleet.

 

[narcon]

Chinese investment in Pakistan most recent news is about $50 billion.
100 FC-31s from 2018 to 2025 will cost around $5 billion, maybe a bit more, let us say that Pakistan starts saving $500 million a year from now to 2025, that will make it $5 billion by that time or end of production., this is well in the capacities of Pakistan, the economic growth rate is around 4% now, and with a better economy, $5 or $6 billion budget spread on a10 year period will be even easier than now.

Last year the news was similar, but what materialized is worth noting, and that was meager 90 million.
Why do you think all of a sudden this year China will be extra kind to Pakistan and walk an extra mile for her?
For Pakistan to save 500 million a year and not provide electricity to its Awam is criminal act.
Come with better and rational response.

 

[My-Analogous]

So

When we will have this ? any idea.

 

[NKVD]

So

When we will have this ? any idea.

PAF will have this Not before 2025 after retiring f-16 Same goes for FGFA too

 

[My-Analogous]

Civilian invest is different from Military . if We assume fC-31 cost around 80 billion Excluding flying cost per piece just multiply 80x100= 8 billion $ As of now whole operating Budget of PAF is 3 billion $ so you will do what Retire all Rest of the Fleet.

in 2006 we purchase F16 worth 5.5B US$, so we can easily go upto 10B by 2018-19 after finishing our 150 JF17

 

[Rank]

Got Information/Confirmation from the Air force source that Pakistan Airforce capable and has enough FUNDS to buy and maintain FC-31 and discussion officially on ground (in real) :S