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SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

That is the time frame already given, with IOC production starting in about a decade. Following FOC, serial production probably will be in the mid 2030s.

Hopefully it doesn’t turn into HAL LCA because Pakistan has neither the technological, industrial or the financial means to undertake such a massive project
 
IMO...it seems to be going that way (bold).

I think that is the smartest way to proceed. It will give you a crash course in aviation technology and rapidly build your capacity and capability if PAC is working along side these design houses. I think of it as Turkey buying the Mangusta design but at an earlier phase, where instead of buying the finished product they bought the rights and design (and assisted in the design) of the finished product and its individual components.
 
FC31 may have been out, Pakistan's next-generation stealth fighter or choose to change the dragon
QUWA, the famous defense website in Pakistan, recently reported on the recent progress of the country's AZM stealth fighter project, mentioning that Pakistan will set up a special economic zone with the help of China to produce this new generation of fighter aircraft. For the first time, the two countries will jointly produce navigation systems, radar systems and airborne weapons for new fighters in Pakistani factories. Previously, the US media also reported that Pakistani Ministry of Planning and Development officials confirmed that the project will expand China-Pakistan cooperation on JF-17 fighte
This is likely to indicate that Pakistan has chosen Chengfei as a partner in the AZM project. The new generation of stealth fighters will be the legendary JF-17 "Zhenlong" stealth version, not Shen Fei's FC-31 "鹘鹰" .
In October of this year, the network accidentally exposed the model of three single-shot stealth fighters, one of which was named JF-17.6, one could not see the sideboard number of the cockpit, and the last one was named JF-20. From the appearance, the JF-17.6 and the unnamed models belong to the direct stealth improvement of the JF-17 "Zhenlong" fighter, retaining the basic aerodynamic layout of the JF-17, such as the DSI without the boundary layer air inlet, Gothic The pointed arch has a large side strip, but the side of the front fuselage adds a hidden ridgeline, and the rear fuselage is changed from a single vertical tail to a cambered double tail. JF-17.6 uses a belly-mounted semi-buried bomb and a stealth conformal weapon pod on the weapon mount. The unnamed model has a new built-in bomb bay on the belly, which is obviously more perfect in stealth design. However, it will adversely affect the flight of the aircraft due to the occupation of the internal oil space.
The JF-20's body shape has been completely redesigned, not only the nose radome is sharper, the cockpit cover is more integrated into the front fuselage, the transition between the lower surface of the fuselage and the wing is smoother, and JF-17 is also eliminated. The pointed arch is large. Like the unrecognized model, the JF-20 has a large bomb bay on the belly. This machine is obviously the best high-end solution in stealth performance of the three schemes. Of course, this means that the development cost is the highest.

The reason why the Pakistan Air Force did not focus on the spot-based FC-31, and finally chose to fly to develop a single-engine stealth fighter based on JF-17. The main reason is the high procurement and maintenance cost of the dual-engine fighter. Take air power in a certain area as an example. In 2009, the cost per hour of F-16A/B flight was $4,900, and the cost of flying F-CK-1A/B fighters per hour was as high as $7,700. It can be seen. The Pakistani Air Force with limited military spending has a long history of operating single-engine fighters, and its active main fighters Mirage III/5, 歼-7, JF-17, and F-16 are all single-engine, so they continue to be used in the AZM project. The single shot design is also understandable.
The invisible "Zhenlong" will become the most anxious opponent of the Indian Air Force. In stark contrast to Pakistan's orderly promotion of the fifth-generation aircraft development, the FGFA fifth-generation aircraft project jointly carried out by India and Russia has now fallen into Waterloo, and the country is currently under The development of a generation of fighters still has no clue, and it is caught in the direct purchase of F-35 or the continued difficulty of self-developing AMCA. I am afraid that after India finally understands, the ACM prototype has already made its first successful flight.
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From 3 years ago...


I wonder how it's progressing today.
 
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Many truly authentic and public sources showed that PLANAF's preference on a stealth fighter jet is still J-20, including a recent interview with a PLANAF pilot. So if PLANAF is not currently investing on FC-31 or the so called J-35, PAF would have to invest on it all on their own if they really want to get it. Financially it is not quite feasible.

Most realistic solution will be a stealth JF-17 which carries 2 x PL-15 and 2 x PL-10 in internal weapon bays with a V-tail aft body. I suggest it is realistic because such stealth JF-17 would be dedicated to air-to-air missions hunting key enemy airborne assets only.
 
Many truly authentic and public sources showed that PLANAF's preference on a stealth fighter jet is still J-20, including a recent interview with a PLANAF pilot. So if PLANAF is not currently investing on FC-31 or the so called J-35, PAF would have to invest on it all on their own if they really want to get it. Financially it is not quite feasible.

Most realistic solution will be a stealth JF-17 which carries 2 x PL-15 and 2 x PL-10 in internal weapon bays with a V-tail aft body. I suggest it is realistic because such stealth JF-17 would be dedicated to air-to-air missions hunting key enemy airborne assets only.

PLAAF might have no requirement for an additional stealth fighter, But Navy most certainly do. J20 is too large to operate from current and up coming carriers and J15 have had mixed performance in PLAN. My gut feeling is J31or a modified variant will find a home in PLAN.
 
Rumor is that CAC is working on a new design to compete for Navy's J-15 replacement / to augment it. IMHO PAF / PAC can't afford to go alone on J-31/J-35 unless its the base for the AZM.
 
J31 is the obvious choice

lets be honest which other country would sell a 5th generation fighter to Pakistan

even more could Pakistan even afford it

A Ultra high tech JF31 for Pakistan would ensure PAF meets the highest standards of 5th generation aircraft

putting it for the first time in a league of nations right at the top
 
J31 is the obvious choice

lets be honest which other country would sell a 5th generation fighter to Pakistan

even more could Pakistan even afford it

A Ultra high tech JF31 for Pakistan would ensure PAF meets the highest standards of 5th generation aircraft

putting it for the first time in a league of nations right at the top

Hi,

Only China---.

Turkish aircraft is on paper---.
 
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Chinese new engine developed successfully! What models will be equipped in the future? CCTV reveals important information.


18-04-2019

Recently, several online photos show that China has achieved success in the development of new aero engines. In the 22nd "Sichuan Youth May Fourth Medal" to be commended, the picture of the development team of China Aerospace Turbofan Engine was announced. In addition to the team's concern, the engine behind it is more interesting. The engine was covered with a thick mosaic, and although it was coded, the outline could still be distinguished. From the outline point of view, the engine nozzle is not large, but it is suspected to be jagged. If it is jagged, it may be a vector aero engine or a stealth engine specially designed for stealth fighters.

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In terms of size, the film is speculated as a medium-thrust aero engine, not a large-thrust engine. Some analysts believe that this is a turbofan-15 large thrust aero engine, but more it is considered a medium-thrust turbofan-19 aero engine. Because it is a turbofan-15, its size will be larger, for which more analysis is considered to be a turbofan-19 aero engine. The engine had previously been rumored that it entered the two-machine special project in 2016 and became a national key model, which means that the Russian development of the engine has been successful. In fact, the turbofan-19 is a medium-thrust engine. It is not the same as the turbofan-10 series and the turbofan-15. It is just the same level as the turbofan-13 series. The thrust is less than 10 tons. It is suitable for light fighters or medium-duty doubles. Use with fighters, such as the Dragon Fighter, the medium-sized dual-engine FC-31 "The Eagle Stealth Fighter" or some trainers.

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What models will be equipped in the future?

What kind of aircraft will be equipped in the future? If it is a turbofan-medium thrust engine, it will gradually replace the turbofan-13 series engine in the future. Its positioning is similar to that of the Russian Air Force's RD-93 aircraft engine and the US Army F-414 aircraft. The engine, one equipped with the MiG-29, and one equipped with the F/A-18 "Super Hornet". The RD-93 aero engine is now being mass-produced on the FC-1/JF-17 "Dragon Fighter" and becomes the main power unit. Although China's turbofan-13 engine has been successfully developed for many years, it is equipped with very few aircraft. Although the parameters are more advantageous than the RD-93, there is actually a big gap.

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At the Zhuhai Air Show in 2014, the FC-31 "Suiying" stealth fighters appeared at the Zhuhai Air Show, which left a deep impression on the audience. At the same time, the engine smoky during the flight show disappointed the audience. Because the engine of the FC-31 "Suiying" stealth fighter was suspected to be a turbofan-13 model, the lack of power caused the occurrence of black smoke problems. If the turbofan-19 was successfully developed, then the future FC-31 "鹘鹰" stealth The fighter can solve the power problem. Judging from the video released by CCTV, the video has a large number of images of the FC-31 "Suiying" stealth fighter, and it is likely to become its core power in the future.

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Black smoked FC-31 at Zhuhai Air Show​

Judging from the current data, the maximum take-off weight of the FC-31 "Eagle" stealth fighter is below 28 tons, which is only equivalent to the US F-35 "Lightning Joint Attack Aircraft", but it is more than the Russian MiG-29 "Pivot Point". "The fighter plane is much higher than the US Army F-18 nickname "Hornet". Therefore, once the turbofan-19 is successfully developed, the prospect of the future FC-31 "Xiaoying" stealth fighter will be more clear, and it is impossible to rule out the possibility of getting on the ship. From its size and take-off weight, it is entirely possible to become China. The next generation of aircraft carrier carrier aircraft, specifically how we are not good, let us look forward to this!

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Link: http://www.sohu.com/a/308815365_99913293
 
Hopefully it doesn’t turn into HAL LCA because Pakistan has neither the technological, industrial or the financial means to undertake such a massive project

Hi,

You are correct---. Pakistan must have the JV---because any failure would be pakistan's alone---.

I believe that it would be based ON ARROGANCE to have an OWN PROGRAM---.

It does not make sense technically to do that---.

If the europeans had JV with the US for their 5th gen---then Paf stands nowhere on its own---.

We already had two massive setbacks for the JF17 program that had delayed the aircraft by 5-7 years---the engine issue and the French EW package.

If Paf would want a single engine 5th gen---they should modify the J31 to a single engine aircraft---. Chinese engine for the J20 is coming of age---. That should do nicely for a single engine---.
 
If Paf would want a single engine 5th gen---they should modify the J31 to a single engine aircraft---. Chinese engine for the J20 is coming of age---. That should do nicely for a single engine---.
...just the possibility of that even possible could push the project 3-5 Years at the very least. If memory serves, it has never been attempted by anyone in the past and the chances seem slim-to-none.

The only way a FC-31/J-31 with the 01 Engine (a la F-35) even be possible would be to start from scratch.
 
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